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How Would You Prefer To Send Sensitive Data?

sprkltgr writes "Our HR department is implementing new software. The HR Director has tasked me with sending our data out of our network to the consultant that's loading it in to the new package. Obviously this data includes items such as SSN, name, birth date, etc. Upon being told that I would not email this data to her, the consultant asked what my security requirements were for sending the data. What would be on your wishlist for the best way to send sensitive data to someone outside your firewall?"

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  1. PGP by Foldarn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PGP without pause

    1. Re:PGP by Swampash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If this is for a work task (and in the parent article it obviously is) I would only ever send sensitive data via PGP-encrypted and -signed email, or more specifically via PGP-encrypted and -signed attachment to an email.

      Via encrypted signed email there's a paper trail. "The data you have is verifiably the data that I intended for you to receive, and the sensitive data haven't been mangled or modified (the hashes match), it is verifiably from me (that's my signature), and I have demonstrably met your request by sending you the information on this day at this time (email headers, server logs, whatever).

      If it's important and it's for work purposes, COVER ASS AT ALL TIMES.

    2. Re:PGP by Metzli · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would agree with PGP, once the proper legalities and assurances are in place. However, I'd worry about the non-technical issues before working on a technical solution.

      There are a number of issues to be resolved before worrying about how to get the data transferred. Has the consultant and/or their firm verified their security and controls to your firm's satisfaction with something like a SAS 70? Are there legal agreements in place concerning the proper controls of this data, the explanations or responsibilities in case of a disclosure, etc.? Has the idea been proposed to create bogus data for testing so that live data isn't used? Can the application be loaded on-site, so that a machine outside of your firm's control will not contain highly-sensitive employee data?

      I'd ask a lot of questions like these and get answers to my satisfaction before I sent out any data. I would greatly prefer to have to explain to my management why I'm "holding up the train" than have to explain to my coworkers why I was involved in the disclosure of their personal information and mine.

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    3. Re:PGP by shri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I disagree. While PGP can transport the data securely, once decrypted, it will be rendered as insecure as the consultant's weakest point of security. If the data were truly sensitive, I'd send an anonymous set to the consultant, have them prepare a set of scripts / routines / procedures to import and then bring them onsite to complete the task.

    4. Re:PGP by Eivind · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The likelihood that "someone" will brute-force the encryption is zero -- or close enough to make no difference. All the worlds banks are protected by the same encryption. If your data is REALLY more valuable than complete access to EVERY account in EVERY bank that has online banking, then you don't "ask slashdot" what to do about securing the data anyways.

    5. Re:PGP by Simon+Brooke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      VPN *AND* scp? weirdo.

      Not in the least. What guarantee do you have that there isn't an attacker already in your network, or the recipients network? Split into small chunks first. Encrypt with separate keys, then SCP over VPN.

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    6. Re:PGP by 0xFCE2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes. The Russian mafia. They have much more than sufficient resource - not merely access to supercomputers, but also access to large botnets of other people's PCs. Cracking encryption is a task well suited to distributed computing.

      Yes, these people can and routinely do crack military grade encryption, if the data is valuable enough. This data is valuable enough.


      "military grade" is a pretty useless term here - the military uses all kind of encryption, from weak to very secure. But when talking about encryption suitable for "secret" stuff (i.e. classified secret), then you can be pretty sure the NSA is not going to allow any form of encryption which is known (to the NSA) to be breakable. Not breakable by any other (foreign) government agency with a multi-billion-dollar budget, and certainly not by the Russian mafia. And as a reminder, AES is a valid algorithm be used to protect secret communications and available to pretty much everyone.
      To get your data, they would try to get the encryption keys by hacking the computer or by physically breaking into your house and office. They might even sneak backdoors in the software you are using and weaken the encryption artificially. But they will not bother with the encryption itself, unless you've been using weak encryption from the start.

  2. How would I prefer to send sensitive data? by Orange+Crush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not at all if I could avoid it, that's for sure. Why can't the consultant import the data into the new package on-site? Even the most secure transmission method can't stop someone outside of your control exposing that data. I'd be talking to my HR people and begging them not to send this data out. Probably a good idea to talk to Legal too.

    1. Re:How would I prefer to send sensitive data? by Tex2000 · · Score: 5, Insightful


      The policy in my current company is that NO DATA is shared unless we have a "Non Disclosure Agreement" (NDA) Signed with the company/consultant that needs to work with our data. Have your legal department prepare such an agreement with items such as penalties for improper use of the information..

      This kind of agreement sometimes scare consultants or companies, and it's cause for some struggle, but in the end if they can't handle the responsibility over your data then you should find someone who can.

  3. pgp on a dvd or flash drive by rboatright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    unless the data set is so large that the answer is pgp on an external hard drive shipped by fedex. and send the password by a SEPERATE CHANNEL. I prefer to send the key by TELEPHONE -- spoken, but that's up to you.

  4. Locally by thedarknite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd get the consultant to come to the office. If the new software is going to be run onsite, there should be no reason why the data needs to leave. But if it does need to be taken offsite then having the consultant come in to collect it makes them responsible for keeping the data secure.

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  5. Pinkerton by tverbeek · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hand delivered by a trustworthy courier.

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  6. GPG? The Open Source Version of PGP by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree completely with Orange Crush. You let that data out and it is now subject to this other entity's security policy.

    If you are going to let it off-site, is there a contractual agreement regarding how the data will be protected? Are their security policies audited by a third party? Worst case, does your company's insurance cover financial losses due to a third party mishandling your data?

    I'd provide them with dummy data in the proper format to simulate your company's data and do like Orange Crush suggests and put data and application together only on your own premises.

    But if you can't/won't do that, I'd say encrypt the hell out of it and burn it to CD, and send it by registered courier where someone has to sign for it to acknowledge chain of custody. Send the key by an alternate method.

    Do you know this company's security policies? Are there any kind of investigations/background checks performed on its employees? If it is a small shop, what kind of firewall protection do they use? Is some programmer's kid using his laptop to play games on the Internet and download "free" screen savers or ring tones?

    I assume that your data is in there too. How would you want it handled and what would you consider doing legally to your company if the data was in any way mishandled and your information to find its way into some identity thief's possession or posted on the web? What if your identity were to be stolen and your accounts raided or your credit ruined?

    I know this probably sounds fairly paranoid and I'm sure a lot of people might suggest easier and less secure approaches, but the reality is that this kind of data is a target and far too many people do not properly protect their business computer systems because they just don't realize how pervasive intrusions and spyware are.

    How would you want your data handled?

    1. Re:GPG? The Open Source Version of PGP by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are a lot of good posts in this topic. Especially the ones about the legal issues.

      These days a big issue is CYA when it comes to people's personal data. As others have noted, be sure to investigate any laws that might define how the data must be treated if it has to go off site. Be sure that your management signs off on the procedure and be sure you can document it.

      The days of just letting people download data are long gone. And don't use FTP if you do. Use the secure version (sftp) and encrypt the data before it transfers. That way it's an encrypted tunnel carrying encrypted data. But I wouldn't recommend this method. I'd get a signed chain of custody with media physically delivered and assurances that all copies of the data is completely and securely destroyed and the original media returned when the job is finished.

      Best way is not to let the data out in the first place.

  7. What about once it gets there? by Geek_engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would be much more worried about the security after you get the data there. How does the consultant protect his network (wireless???) and physical building? Does he keep the data encrypted so if a computer is stolen, it cannot be read? There are any number of good encryption methods to use in transmitting the data, then phone with the key.

  8. Don't over think this by Alpha830RulZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it were me, I wouldn't even be worried about FTP for a one time transfer. When was the last time , or the first time, you heard of someone sniffing sensitive data in mid transmission? The vast majority of compromise issues are due to compromise of files on a machine somewhere. You should be concerned about the work environment of the consultant, and procedures there, far more than how you get data to the consultant. Ad hoc work environments are usually far more lax in their controls than a production environment. HR departments are (in my experience) far less knowledgeable about how to protect data than IT types. This is where your risk lies.

    We use an SFTP server for transmission of financial data, and I don't lose a bit of sleep over it. You are at much higher risk for either your HR department or the consultant doing something stupid with the source or result files on their network. Your need is just to make sure that it doesn't happen on your watch.

    I would be more concerned about making sure that the HR folks and the consultant cleaned up their work files afterword.

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  9. Secure in layers by sthomas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you are required to transfer the data outside of your organization, then there are two areas of concern - confidentiality of the data in transit, and confidentiality of the data once it arrives and is in the consultant's control.

    Data in transit:
    Encrypting the data prior to transfer is highly recommended, so that when it arrives it is in a secured package, and it also reduces risk should an email be misaddressed or forwarded to an unintended recipient. For this part PGP is an excellent tool. You can encrypt using exchanged keys, or you can encrypt using a strong passphrase and then communicate that passphrase out of band (phone call is preferable, separate email is workable but less preferable). For the method of transfer, securing the channel of communications is another added layer of security on top of encrypting the data ahead of time. If you are using an interactive transfer like (S)FTP, it will protect the authentication credentials from prying eyes. Although someone intercepting the PGP encrypted file now may not be able to decrypt it, tomorrow's technology may make the task trivial, so protecting it is recommended. TLS-encrypted email from organization to organization is also a good choice, but may be beyond the scope of your project. However, if this will be an ongoing need, or if your HR rep is also passing confidential content in email, it's definitely worth looking into.

    Data Protection after Transit:
    Once the person has received the file, your data will continue to be at risk. Each copy they make of the encrypted file is another file that could potentially be moved outside of a controlled environment. Once they decrypt the data, the risk to your organization climbs as they strip away another layer of protection. At this point the processes the consultant has in place are critical to protecting your data, and lack of processes or sloppy adherence puts your organization at risk. I often use users' Outlook Sent Items to show how easily copies of data files propagate. Anywhere they store the data, encrypted or not, may be released outside of their environment when they dispose of hard disks or tapes, or if they have them replaced because they are faulty. We empower users with tools, and those tools can increase risk in unexpected ways.

    Remember the most important security rule - always protect in layers. Remind everyone to treat all data like it's their own banking information or cash money. Require your partners/vendors/consultants to meet or exceed all of your controls. Allow as few copies of data (encrypted or non-) as absolutely required for operational and preservation purposes. Continually remind everyone of the potential risk of data loss. Make sure users understand that there is no single security solution - encryption provides one layer of protection, but the best security is constant vigilance and treating your data like it's cash money.

    I would recommend you have a serious discussion with your HR rep, starting out by saying "I just want to be sure you're aware of the risk here, and we are doing everything we can to protect our company and our employees." Then spell out the risks without exaggerating, and remind him/her that it's situations like this where bad decisions end up in the newspaper. The first decision is "do we have to move this data outside of our organization?" and it should only be done if it's absolutely required. If it is, then layering security and requiring that your vendor/contractor treat it with the right level of sensitivity are all that you can do.

  10. I agree - start by finding a new consultant! by arete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I agree completely - getting the files TO the consultant securely is relatively easy... a GPGP key exchange followed by a phone call can pretty simply ensure who they are as well as anything. (I mean, as well as you know who the company is now - it's whoever answers their phone number.)

    But then they HAVE the data, and if you care about your data, that's a problem.

    In a perfect world, I would start by finding a new consultant - one who wouldn't even consider RECEIVING such data through email. I suppose in a PERFECT world, there wouldn't BE such consultants.

    But failing that you need to lay out every security policy you think is important to secure your data, including INSIDE a network... firewalls, care with files, background checks on IT staff, background checks on the consultants. You need this laid out in excruciating detail. And you need it in the contract with them.

    Ideally YOUR company needs to do the background checks on their staff... At a minimum you need to do a really sound credit check of them and have your attorney draw up a contract where they indemnify you for any loss due to a breach and any attorney fees to defend against and to recover from it. Etc.

    Basically the same kind of due diligence you'd have for someone you were letting come in and install new servers and new firewalls on your site with access to everything you've already got. Or if they refuse to get up to a reasonable standard, you can tell them they need to do their work on your site.

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  11. Red flag. by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If this consultant asked for this data to be sent via email in the first place, that is a big red flag to me. It suggests a pretty lax attitude towards sensitive data, possibly an indication of general cluelessness/laziness/hubris.

    Frankly, I would be a little suspicious of any person who wanted to take custody of this information at all if test data can be used instead. I would never take on that kind of liability if I didn't absolutely have to.

    In an environment where neither HR nor their contractor seem to have a clue, I would enumerate my concerns (in writing) and insist that they make the call (in writing). Too many weak links in this chain.

  12. It doesn't matter, you've already lost by Jerf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the consultant really expected you to email the data, and expressed even a modicum of surprise that you wouldn't do it, they've already disqualified themselves from being able to securely handle your data.

    Do you really think that this is the only flaw in their handling of sensitive data? That, otherwise, they are security conscious and careful, except for this odd flaw where they don't understand how insecure email is?

    If you care, it's time to change consultants.

    If you don't care, just email it already.

    (I'm actually not quite as rigid as this may sound out-of-context. I don't agree that security is all-or-nothing, so please don't strawman me that way. My second paragraph is important; anyone who expects those things emailed to them is so far away from the necessary knowledge and skills that debating whether they are close enough or whether they will be able to take reasonable care is a waste of time, arguing about whether the receiver made a touchdown when they got tackled on the 10 yard line on the wrong side of the field.)

  13. Don't send it to a consultant who would ask .... by CFD339 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...by email.

    This consultant wanted you to send it to them? I've been a consultant and developer for nearly 20 years. I would NEVER EVER ask for data like that to be sent to me. I wouldn't want to be anywhere near owning that kind of responsibility for someone else's critical data. You couldn't make me take it if you tried.

    Your biggest problem, as pointed out by others, isn't the in-transit data but rather what it does once the consultant gets it. If he's so unaware of modern security best practices as to ask you to send it to him, it's fairly a sure bet that his environment and practices are no where near good enough.

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  14. Don't send it at all by elronxenu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are about to send sensitive data to a third party who will load it into a new database and send you back the database. That's insane.

    You need to bring the destination (the database) in-house. Either load the data yourself, or get the consultant to come in-house to load the data. Under no circumstances should the sensitive data travel outside your network boundary. It's not a question of "how strong is my encryption" at all.