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P2P BitTorrent Tool Could Replace Pirate Bay
With the US and other G8 countries trying to outlaw The Pirate Bay and its ilk, an anonymous reader suggests that a solution may have emerged out of Cornell University. A new open-source project called Cubit is an Azureus plugin that provides decentralized approximate keyword search of torrents in the network.
They haven't even passed their unconstitutional law. And here you are already defeating it. You're supposed to give them a few minutes of satisfaction.
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And with Guitar Hero replacing actual music, soon there won't be anything left to steal! Now *that's* innovation.
As I contemplated when AT&T started saying they want to fight piracy on the wire, the most effective way is for the ISP to cooperate with the MPAA, where the MPAA gives a graph of "These people are exchaning a large copyrighted file, block it".
If ISPs move in that direction, this defense won't help, and thats probably the bigger threat for blocking P2P piracy, as there are always countries of convienece to set up piratebay like operations.
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And when can we expect *that* to get shut down?
Just a couple months after everyone has stopped using it and is using something else.
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To my knowledge, Kademlia uses exact keyword searching, not approximate searching. While distributed hash tables are a fairly effective decentralized searching mechanism, it's tough to move them from exact-match searching to more general searching.
Other DHT systems are also used to list peers for trackerless torrents and to find peers for particular files on networks like eMule (by searching by hash).
The article from yesterday about Verizon and Comcast's pledge to support Bittorrent also includes information about Cubit.
Use of this will significantly increase the number of fake files uploaded.
At least TPB allows file comments which allows fakes to be spotted pretty fast.
Also, do not forget about the amount of traffic private torrent sites get - which this is not a real alternative to.
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Sort of. The main point of the Gnutella network (of which Limewire is a client) is searching. The network is inefficient, but it allows for arbitrary searching. This would be along the same vein as using a Gnutella-like network to share .torrent files, then using a BitTorrent client to actually transfer the data. (I haven't read the article, but I suspect their searching network is more efficient than Gnutella.)
* The network is much more efficient.
* All this network is sharing is torrent metadata (.torrent files), while a BitTorrent client is doing the real transfer.
* Their keyword searching system, while allowing for finding the k-nearest keywords, is not fully general like searches on a Gnutella-like system could be.
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No, it's implemented in an Azureus plugin.
I see nothing in the design of their searching network that would preclude implementations independent of Azureus.
I've read the GP's post and I've been pulling out the Old Constitution trying to figure out where he's coming from.
We, the US, are governed by the rule of law. And sometimes, the rule of law is very unfair for a few of us. BUT, it will correct itself eventually and to be honest, I prefer "eventually" to a bloody revolution. I mean "bloody" in the "folks are dieing in the streets" bloody - not the British version.
...we still need trackers, right?
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I think there is already a mostly-unused torrent-tella-like system. It's really a very good solution, since Gnutella provides very powerful searching and BitTorrent provides high-bandwidth data transfer. This is actually more like using eMule's Kad to share .torrents.
As I mentioned somewhere else, though, people won't move from the index site + centralized trackers + a BitTorrent client until enough indexes and trackers get shut down that they need a new solution.
It seems to work the other way. It'll get shut down about a year after a better solution is developed and about a month before everyone starts using that better solution.
Encryption doesn't help. You can participate as clients of a swarm to get the identity of the members of the swarm, which is the information the ISPs need to block the swarm.
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Gnutella (LimeWire et. al) has more than one way of searching. Through Ultrapeers, Ultrapeers and OOB-replies (e.g. not routed back through Ultrapeers) and Mojito (DHT).
Using Gnutella to search/index .torrents is already a long time feature of G2 (Gnutella 2, though it is NOT the successor of Gnutella), with Shareaza being the main client for the G2 network (along with very basic support for Gnutella, BitTorrent and eDonkey2000).
DHT-networks can be more efficient, but they are also vulnerable to attacks and pollution and are somewhat lossy.
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We had applications like this previously to bittorrent that did not list files, and one of the big golden opportunities of not maintaining a file catalog was that you didn't really have the possibility of you having illegal content on it, it was just like downloading. You don't see companies like Microsoft or Mozilla getting pressure about the fact that people download copyrighted files there. Decentralized? As in no servers, no directories and no trackers for files? How do the individual nodes find each other? If you have something where nodes pass their knowledge of other nodes along (the longer you are connected, the more nodes you might potentially learn about) that could be interesting. But how can you have something totally decentralized? Can discovery truly work on a whole-internet-sized scale?
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I think that the hardest part of adding search to any p2p system is that it is too easy for malicious users (*IAA thugs) to poison search results, and I don't see anything on their page that deals with that.
To design a reliable search system, you need to have a good rating system, and a solid trust model. At the same time, you need to avoid making the trust model so tight that new users cannot get any search results (freenet).
Also, I think it should be noted that a lot of bittorrent usage is moving towards the subscription model, so people should be able to search for channels as well, not just single files.
I am interested in seeing where this project leads, but I don't think people will be completely abandoning the well organized, well moderated torrent sites any time soon, but it will be nice to be able to search quickly for files without needing to open a browser.
Download Cubit 0.31. Put in string "pink floyd meddle".
Lots of hits. But no "pink floyd meddle".
Maybe next year...
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You realize that ridding the world of drugs is just as impossible as ridding the world of file sharers right?
The solution in both cases is the same, legalize it.
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I absolutely HATE Google spelling correction. It often tries to correct obscure words I haven't misspelled and gives me far too many irrelevant hits. It also forces me to go back and add quotes around everything. It sucks.
I also don't like that they drop punctuation out of their search terms. Sometimes I WANT to search for ";;" or something.
Quite an experience to live in fear, isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave.
The PirateBay admins themselves have been looking into ways to replace the Bay. This looks like a good alternative. However, due to the popularity of closed-source BitTorrent clients (uTorrent et. al), we'll need a stand-alone version of this Cubit.
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The acta agreement calls for criminal prosecution of any facilitation of widespread copyright infringement.
This means ANY p2p client, including open source, will come under the gun.
azureus, newsreaders capable of binary download, limewire clients, and of course this tool.
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Tell that to Freenet. Or the old Gnutella network. Or any number of other completely decentralized networks.
The only thing you need to participate in those networks is a seed peer. Yeah, that requires a central server to get to, initially (though once you're there your host cache will start to populate, and you're set). But once you're on the network, it's completely decentralized.
Didn't try that for a long time, but in past searching for (and downloading) torrents off the Gnutella worked miracles.
It was in the times when there were no such sites like PirateBay or TorrentSpy or SuprNova. Private trackers were majority and were pain to use and were often down.
Now it seems to be essentially same principle: search for torrent on one P2P network but download the content off another P2P network.
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For the millionth time in this post the Constitution does not grant rights to people. (It does recognize some rights of the people, but does not grant them those rights.) It limits what rights the government has. Anything not specifically mentioned is up to the state level or lower to sort out. Which is kind of what all those RIAA trials going on in different states is about.
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Tribler has been able to do this since 2006.
Whoever modded parent up is an idiot. Of course there is true P2P. If that's suitable for the distribution of movies is another question, but parent obviously has no idea what he's talking about. Yeah, at some point you need to "contact servers to get data", big news. P2P doesn't stand for "all clients, no servers" - in a P2P network, everyone is server and client. So "contacting servers to get data" is, you know, a little bit on the obvious and boring side.
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Of course not. The issue here is that the total damage done because it's illegal is much greater than the damage done if it weren't. The solution is to control it, like you would alcohol and tobacco. Look at it this way, was the US better off during prohibition?
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The problem isn't *IAA putting up fake websites on freenet, the problem is *IAA creating thousands of fake users that can all vouch for each other, and claim all of the real media is fake.
Mediadefender has done this many times in the past (as proven by the email leak), and it is a common tactic that is most likely used by other companies in the business as well. This is a pervasive problem on even the most heavily moderated boards, and it is extremely difficult to deal with in an automated way.
Tough luck. Time for a career change.
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Even after the teets have run dry, and there's no more profit to "milk" from a work, they will still hang onto the copyright to prevent anyone else from possibly themselves gaining any benefit from it. Sometimes there is no effort even made to profit from a work -- there are quite a few older TV shows and movies and such that are locked up in vaults, sitting there making zero profit for their rights holders, usually because the remaining appeal of the work is considered too narrow to be profitable. (Too small of a customer base for a corporation's lofty financial desires.) If they are no longer making money off it, whether through market forces or by calculated choice, the work should pass into the public domain instead of being held hostage.
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Gosh- you haven't heard of it- it must not exist?
they do-- in lots of form factors and pricepoints.
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Digital files can be copied without depriving the original owner of theirs, be it software or music. Your money was taken from you leaving you with less (I hope your insurance covered it).
Eh... duh? The issue isn't that "copying" a work deprives the original author of his or her copy. See the definition of "copy". You'll find that it's a very old word.
The issue is that in so doing, you destroy the merchantability of the work in question. Since economics require a balance of supply and demand, and since copying can be done infinitely (killing any such balance) then economic restrictions are in place so that economic activity can continue.
This is a *good thing*. If you want to do anything, push to have the copyright terms brought back the reasonable timeframe they initially were...
Now just imagine once 3d printers become cheap enough for the common household... Manufacturers of small cheap trinkets had better be worried because their time is next.
Hopefully, copyrights will apply then.
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