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Closing the Cover on Microsoft Book Scanning

Chris_Keene writes "The Live Search blog announces that the Live.com Book and Academic Search are to close. Book search in particular has had quite a bit of coverage, and often seemed like a race with Google. The Live blog says 'we are winding down our digitization initiatives, including our library scanning and our in-copyright book programs. We recognize that this decision comes as disappointing news to our partners, the publishing and academic communities, and Live Search users [...] this past Wednesday we announced our strategy to focus on verticals with high commercial intent, such as travel, and offer users cash back on their purchases from our advertisers.'"

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  1. Sad. by edlinfan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Competition fights stagnation. I hope that Google doesn't sit back on its laurels and slow their improvements of Google Print/Google Books.

  2. I'm an academic by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful
    And I never found MS's academic search system that useful, so I am not affected by this directly. I *AM* disappointed that they gave up, though - the fewer players involved, the less competition, and the reduced competition will result in lower quality and slower performance and slower rates of getting books up on the web. Someone has to keep Google on its toes, and it sure isn't going to be Google.

    RS

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    1. Re:I'm an academic by salveque · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure I'm disappointed... Microsoft has demonstrated its amazing ability to cause problems in everything they touch.

    2. Re:I'm an academic by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Muddying the waters is a good business strategy.
      Its has worked well for MS over the years.

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    3. Re:I'm an academic by abbamouse · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My thoughts exactly -- except that would add that one benefit of the MS initiative is that it used some different libraries, with different collections. Many older books are quite rare, and these are the ones I care about. I wish more libraries would work with Google. Actually I wish the LoC would scan every out-of-copyright work and offer them up at taxpayer expense on the web. After all, it's out intellectual and cultural heritage.

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  3. Looks like that they finally realized by ady1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    which the rest of the world already knew; that they cannot kill google by cloning their every product.

    1. Re:Looks like that they finally realized by gilgongo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is the difference between China and Microsoft? One is prolific in making faithful copies of everything that's sucessful, or even just interesting. The other is a nation with 5,000 years of history. They both have about the same R&D budget though.

      Seriously - I wonder if this is the start of a real strategy shift for MS overall? One thing that's totally mystified me over the last few years is why they think that simply copying everything and anyone is a "stategy" at all. I mean, if I was working there I'd be utterly demoralised: the Zune, Silverlight, Book Search, Live.com... is there not ONE thing that MS does that is unique, or even remotely innovative? Where do all the R&D billions go?

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  4. Glad I finally heard about this by horizontech10 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I thought I was keeping up with all the free public-domain projects, but somehow I missed this one. I've found one thing I've been looking for that's not on Google Books or Gutenberg (Norman bel Geddes's manifesto on Streamline Moderne, _Horizons_) and is hard to find in a library.

  5. Re:MS did book scanning? by simple+english+major · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And yet I had no idea that they were doing this. OTOH, my university library has a Google book search box on their front page.

  6. Re:MS did book scanning? by dgun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft is doing a terrible job of copying Google, and normally they are so good at copying.

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  7. Might disappear after 3 days, no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Better be careful, the info might vanish into thin air after 3 days.
    Better back it up on Google Docs...

  8. Re:Standard Policy by astrosmash · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that Microsoft has too much money. To a "normal" company, a venture such as this would require a significant investment, which in turn gives the company a big incentive to pull out all the stops to try and make it work. Succeed or die.

    To Microsoft, on the other hand, a venture such as this require relatively little investment. If it works, it works; if it doesn't, oh well. Virtually everything Microsoft does outside of their Window and Office monopolies loses money.

    These are the same tactics Microsoft has been using since the early 90s. They're just playing defence to whatever the competitor-of-the-day is doing, and they do it solely to protect the monopolies. The venture doesn't need to "successful" in the traditional sense, and it certainly doesn't have to make money, but if it's disruptive in some way to what their competitor is trying to do then it at least has some value for Microsoft, because at least Microsoft can afford to take a financial hit where their competitor usually can't. In the 90s you have Oracle vs. SQL Server, Netscape vs. IE. Now you have whatever-Google-does vs. MSN-Live.NET, iTunes vs. PlaysForSure. The difference is that at least back in the 90s Microsoft was actually capable of turning a disruptive stinker (say, SQLServer 6) into a real and competitive product; these days, not so much. But then again, Microsoft has a lot more money to throw around.

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  9. Re:MS makes no sense by hvm2hvm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, so the reason for which Microsoft is disorganized is the fact that they have 75k employees. That doesn't mean it's the right answer. Knowing the cause of a problem doesn't solve the problem. It's clear that Microsoft needs a different approach instead of throwing money, developers and marketers at anything that doesn't work well enough.

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  10. Exactly why MS will lose by MLCT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Decisions like this don't surprise me, and they sum up why MS will lose.

    Firstly, MS is starting to build a rather unattractive profile for themselves as "droppers". Any time they can't be bothered with something or some part of "the management" takes a decision then something gets culled. They did it with their DRM music that left thousands high and dry, and now they have done it with this. The folks at MS have to realise that nobody is going to want to deal with them if they keep it up. Because no matter what the gee whiz initiative or idea, everybody knows fine that if MS get frustrated with not having dominance with it, or gets bored and want to spend the money elsewhere, then they will drop it with a "screw you guys, I'm going home" attitude. Will they get as many vendors signing up to the "search cashback" program when they know (and we know) it will likely be scrapped in a year or two?

    Secondly, it sums up MS in another way. They just don't get "it". They think of everything through some corporate eyes that requires dominance and control. Google scans books (and I am absolutely sure will continue to scan books) not because they want to "bury MS", but because they want to "organize the worlds knowledge". Criticisms of privacy et al. are all very valid, but part of a different argument strand. When it comes down to it Google scan books because they realise the importance of digitizing knowledge, and aside from the altruistic benefits of digitizing otherwise inaccessible paper - when it is digitised it can be searched, when it can be searched it can be monetized.

    MS are stuck - and will always be stuck - in the 1990's. They treat all this as "the search wars" - they treat the whole thing as some second version of the browser wars. The only catch is that the tactics that won them that one won't work any more. The decision to end book scanning just reeks of the war mentality. They didn't scan and weren't scanning books to help the end user, they were doing it in an attempt to "bury Google". That is why they will lose - they are stuck in the past.

  11. Re:MS makes no sense by emilper · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think Microsoft just got enough text data to run whatever tests they need, and closed shop. Google will probably do the same as soon as they reach the point when more data will stop making a difference for their translation algorithms.

    Neither Microsoft nor Google care about scanning books: all they need is raw text data, translated in as many languages as possible, for their automatic translation work. Proof? The quality of Google books scans is appalling , and none of the two actually implemented tools to let user use the books effectively. Google's MyLibrary is a joke useful only for boosting the vanity of books owners by letting them show off how endowed are their two selves stuffed with bound paper.