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First Guilty Verdict In Criminal Copyright Case

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "A Brooklyn man has been found guilty of conspiracy to commit criminal copyright infringement by a federal jury in Virginia. He now faces up to five years in prison, a quarter-million-dollar fine, and three years of parole, not to mention the 'full restitution' he has to make to the RIAA. The charges against him stem from his role as 'Dextro,' the administrator of one of the Apocalypse Production Crew's file servers — APC being one of the release groups that specialize in pre-release music. While he's the 15th member of APC to be charged under the US DOJ's Operation Fastlink, he's the first to be convicted. He will be sentenced on August 8th. For those wondering when infringement became a criminal matter, you can thank the NET Act, which was signed into law in 1997 by Bill Clinton."

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  1. Well, okay then... by Dirtside · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks, Bill Clinton!

    ...no, wait, what I meant was, fuck you for siging that legislation, and fuck all the politicians and legislators who are fooled by the media companies into thinking we need draconian copyright laws. Copyright should have forever remained a civil matter, never criminal.

    Further proof that even politicians you like (I voted for Clinton in 1996, the first presidential election I was old enough to vote for) can do foolish things.

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    1. Re:Well, okay then... by mrbluze · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Further proof that even politicians you like (I voted for Clinton in 1996, the first presidential election I was old enough to vote for) can do foolish things. Foolish is too forgiving a word!
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    2. Re:Well, okay then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      He didn't steal any property. That would imply that they are being denied of the stolen property. They are not. This is a case of for-profit copyright infringement.

    3. Re:Well, okay then... by conlaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While it's possible to bash Clinton for signing the NET Act in 1997, the blame should first be applied to President McKinley since there have been provisions for criminal copyright actions in the code since 1897. The violations were considered to be misdemeanors until 1982 (Reagan's presidency) when criminal penalties were changed to make it felony for profit-making infringements of motion pictures and sound recordings.

    4. Re:Well, okay then... by mark-t · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, they are being denied something when copyright infringement is occurring. What they are being denied is the _exclusivity_ of the right to copy that copyright is supposed to actually have. So yes, copyright infringement *IS* theft.

    5. Re:Well, okay then... by schon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What they are being denied is the _exclusivity_ of the right to copy Really?

      You're saying that the original copyright holder no longer holds the copyright?

      That sounds pretty far-fetched. Can you point me to the legal statute that backs up your claim that a third party engaging in copyright infringement voids your copyright, because I have a very hard time believing that.
    6. Re:Well, okay then... by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You say "He took an intangible right" as if the owner was entirely deprived of it. This is incorrect. Here's a couple of ways in which real property rights are not analogous to the rights secured by copyright:

      1. If I take your car and blow it up, your car is permanently gone, and there's no way to get it back. If I distribute copies of your copyrighted work, once you stop me from doing so, your rights have been fully restored.

      2. If I take your car, you cannot use it while I have it. If I make unauthorized copies of your copyrighted work, you can continue making your own copies while I do so.

      Now, because I can tell you're the kind of person who will think that the above means I think that copyright infringement is acceptable, I'm going to try to emphasize that THIS IS NOT THE CASE. I'm merely pointing out that copyright infringement is NOT theft (aka larceny), not by any legal definition and not by common usage. They are different beasts, which is why we have entirely separate bodies of law covering them.

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    7. Re:Well, okay then... by bloodninja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What they are being denied is the _exclusivity_ of the right to copy You're saying that the original copyright holder no longer holds the copyright? No, he is saying that the copyright holder has to compete with his own product. Think of it like someone coming to your house and fucking your wife occasionally. You can still fuck her, but you have to compete with this guy for pussy in your own home with your own wife.
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    8. Re:Well, okay then... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What they are being denied is the _exclusivity_ of the right to copy that copyright is supposed to actually have. So yes, copyright infringement *IS* theft.


      I'd rather classify this particular case as unfair trading practice and trade secrets stealing. (You see, until they're released, the albums' content is supposed to be secret).

      So partially you're right, regarding zero day warez and similar stuff. But after the albums are released, it's the same monopolistic crap we've had.
    9. Re:Well, okay then... by schon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, he is saying that the copyright holder has to compete with his own product. Besides being a huge stretch to interpret the poster's comment to mean that, this is a moot point - the copyright holder *already* has to compete with their own product in the form of used merchandise, rental market and borrowing (libraries, between friends, etc.)

      Unless you're also going to say that borrowing a book or DVD from your library is also stealing?

      Buying from a used bookseller or DVD shop? That would also be stealing then wouldn't it?

      Taken to it's logical conclusion, if I buy something, but only buy one copy, that must be stealing as well, because it means that I won't purchase a second one!
  2. They are coming for the virtual priates now by pembo13 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Soon, they will come for you if you happen to do something that doens't make some big corp. money.

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    1. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, you know, if you somehow were to break the law by stealing something that wasn't yours, or enjoying something without paying for it when the owner wants you to. You know, silly things like that.

    2. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just wondering....could you break the law by stealing something that was yours? This could lead us down the path of larceny. I guess that's why Matt Parker and Trey Stone put up their episodes on www.southparkstudios.com? Just so they'd stop stealing from themselves?

    3. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Mr2001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Or, you know, if you somehow were to break the law by stealing something that wasn't yours Copying isn't stealing because no one is deprived of the thing being copied. That's Copyright Debate 101, man.

      or enjoying something without paying for it when the owner wants you to. So when I wear a funny T-shirt, can I demand money from everyone who laughs at it? I mean, I want that money, and according to copyright apologist logic, that means they owe it to me.

      You know, silly things like that. No disagreement here.
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    4. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      or enjoying something without paying for it when the owner wants you to

      Like those fuckers who STOLE my camp fire last weekend. I put a lot of effort into making that fire, then these clowns come over when I'm not looking, put a stick in MY fire and STEAL it. I deserve money!

    5. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What an unsightly persecution complex. You should have that looked at.

      The irony of the juxtaposition you create by hating DRM because you have to pay while at the same time stifling free speech when it's not in your best interest gets me through the day still feeling self-righteous. Stifling free speech? No one's deleting your posts (and of course /. doesn't owe you space on their site anyway). They're just pointing out, as a service to other readers, that reading your posts might not be the best use of their time. If people think the moderators are doing a bad job, they can change their own comment preferences.

      You know, the moderations here aren't always great, but generally, if you can speak thoughtfully on an issue, you'll get modded up even for going against the "herd" - Slashdot is made up of individuals, not clones, and there are plenty of people who'll agree with whatever beliefs you might have.

      But if you're going to respond with insults instead of arguments, or if your arguments are facile ones that everyone who's been around the site for a while has already discarded, expect to get modded down.

      If only there was some way to get rid of that pesky +1 karma bonus so your mod downs meant something =) Actually, two negative mods on the same comment will cancel its karma bonus.
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    6. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Wouldn't you be pissed at people sneaking in under the canvas without paying, or copying the T-shirt for their friends?

      Sneaking in is trespassing. It deprives me of the exclusive use of my property, because people take up space inside the tent.

      Copying the T-shirt for their friends, however, is fine. To stop someone from doing that, I'd have to either prevent him from describing his personal experiences to a friend ("this is what I saw"), or from putting some ink that he owns onto a shirt that he owns.

      What right do I have to interfere with either of those? Why should I get to stifle his speech or tell him what to do with his own property? If the only way a person can think of to make money depends on taking rights away from everyone else, he's not thinking hard enough.

      You're conveniently leaving out part of the debate; people may not be deprived of the physical thing, but they are being deprived of income they rightfully hoped to make with it. Rightfully, because they are not just showing their works to everyone and them demand payment, like in your analogy; they try and keep a careful control of the works they paid to have produced, and charge a fee to enjoy that work.

      They do show the works to everyone when they broadcast them on TV or radio. Making them available to paying customers effectively means making them available to everyone, because you can't expect to control what those customers do or say once they leave the theater: they have the right to describe what they saw to anyone who wants to listen.

      Semantically you may be right, but insisting that copyright is not stealing is usually nothing more than a deliberate attempt to cloud the issue, and the fact that it is [i]wrong[/i] to copy an intellectual work without permission. Or perhaps you would argue that it isn't wrong... in that case I expect better arguments than "Hey, it's not stealing...".

      I do argue that it isn't wrong, because sharing information is a fundamental human right. If you want to restrict the kinds of information I'm allowed to share, it'd better be because sharing it would harm someone.

      Copying a song or a video doesn't cause anyone harm, though. You might argue that losing potential revenue is a kind of harm, but then you'd have to agree that a respected reviewer who says "this sucks, here's why, don't buy it" could easily cause much more loss of revenue. And yet we all recognize his right to share with his readers, even when it affects someone else's bottom line.

      Those who pay to have music and movies produced, have the right to ask a price to enjoy those works and set conditions for using them.

      I disagree. That "right" is only needed if you're intent on treating music and movies like a widget, something manufactured on an assembly line and sold in discrete units.

      But recording a song isn't like soldering parts together: you don't have to do it again every time someone wants a copy. You record it once, and then it's available to everyone who wants it (unless you sue them). Why, then, should you get paid again every time someone gets a copy?

      If you want to get paid for the time you spend writing a song, then find someone who'll pay you to write it. Or a whole bunch of someones... sellaband.com is on the right track.

      Fair use and sensible consumer protection should apply, but for the rest, if you don't agree with the price or the conditions attached, your only moral option is to not obtain the music or movies, and spend your money elsewhere.

      Perhaps you could explain why obtaining them without paying is immoral.

      Asking for a copy of a movie is morally equivalent to asking someone to tell you about it in excruciating detail. They're relating facts. It's a fact that Star Wars has light sabers and takes place in a galaxy far, far away; it's a fact that Darth Vader wears a black helmet; it's a fact a certain string of bits makes a JPEG image of th

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    7. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Semantically you may be right, but insisting that copyright is not stealing is usually nothing more than a deliberate attempt to cloud the issue, and the fact that it is [i]wrong[/i] to copy an intellectual work without permission.
      Actually, I think it's the other way around. By telling people copyright infringement is something it really isn't the **AA etc. automatically deliver a flawed argument and cause confusion among the people who don't know anything about copyright law. When someone point out that copyright infringement isn't, in fact, stealing, that argument sticks because it's true - even though it's tangential; people will rememer that "th other guy" poked a hole in the "theft" reasoning.

      Portraying an action as something it isn't going to help your case and it might make you look like a kook. It's really the proponents of strong copyright infringement penalties who should be pedantic about proper nomenclature.
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    8. Re:They are coming for the virtual priates now by Mr2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's also a fact that a small piece of paper made in a certain way is a banknote. Are you implying there's nothing wrong in printing your own money? If you spend a counterfeit note, you're defrauding whoever you give it to: they value that note because they believe it was printed by the treasury, when in fact it wasn't, and you use that deception to get something of value.

      The same applies to trademarks, by the way. If you build a car in your back yard and then try to sell it as a "Honda Civic", that's fraud. Your customers reasonably expect that a car known as a "Honda Civic" will have been made by a certain company, using certain designs and materials, meeting certain quality standards and so on; but yours isn't, and you take advantage of that deception to make a profit.
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  3. Pre-release music the issue by Txiasaeia · · Score: 5, Informative

    It seems like the overriding issue in this case was the fact that this music was pirated prior to its street date release. The wired article even makes mention of the fact that, if you pirate a song here and there, you're not likely going to be in trouble. The fact that it's related to copyright doesn't have that much to do with sharing, in other words.

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  4. Cry me a river... please. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate RIAA's tactics against the common man as much as anyone here, but this is one of the few cases where I have a hard time criticizing them or the legislation being used.

    This group are hell-bent on obtaining pre-released music (that the companies have not yet had a chance to recoup their investment on) and making it available for free.

    Whether you believe copyright terms should be 99 years or 7 years is immaterial here. Whether you believe an individual should be able to rip their CDs is immaterial here. Whether you believe in teh doctrine of first sale for copyrighted materials is immaterial here. Put aside your hatred of the RIAA for a second and see this for what it really is - one of the few occasions where they have a point.

    1. Re:Cry me a river... please. by 77Punker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jail time for this though? He's not a dangerous person (at least by the fact of this conviction). We're talking about throwing away 10% of someone's life for what should be a civil offense. Maybe the copyright holder should sue him into the ground, but he shouldn't be imprisoned. Imprisonment is not something that should be taken lightly.

    2. Re:Cry me a river... please. by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They may well have a point, but pre-existing copyright laws already made this act a civil offense. They could have gone after him. They didn't need a law that allows them to lock people away with murderers, rapists, and arsonists.

      This guy "stole" imaginary property. He shared music online. Music that the RIAA effectively stole from the artists who created it (but that's another topic completely).

      My issue in this case is not with the RIAA, but with the US government being hijacked by corporations for the benefit of a few. Sony has plenty of money, and continues to make plenty of money even with the "rampant piracy" that happens today. Sure, their aging business model is starting to have diminshing returns, but that's life. Progress happens. Technology improves and outdated methods go the way of the horse and buggy.

      This law is a clear demonstration of the government being in the pockets of the corporations. It gives way too much power, and eliminates virtually all of the real benefits of copyright (aside from the single purpose of diverting money from the people into the hands of a few corporations).

      America is so screwed.

      I started boycotting RIAA music when the DMCA was first passed. And I truly boycott the crap. I don't buy it. I don't download it. I don't go to concerts of artists on the RIAA (yes, screw those artists, too, for enabling the corrupt system). I guess this verdict gives me even more reason to not touch the RIAA's poison.

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    3. Re:Cry me a river... please. by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting

      And, as in Enron's case, it can be as devastating or even more so than some pimp or drug dealer.

      I agree. Therefore, these pirates should receive punishments that are proportional to those of Enron executives, based on total economic damages.

      In the case of Enron, a few $billion in mayhem is worth maybe 30 years of prison time. These pirates probably served up a few $million worth of of CDs. That would make the applicable prison sentence about 1/1000 of an Enron: let's say a week or two.

    4. Re:Cry me a river... please. by mpe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My issue in this case is not with the RIAA, but with the US government being hijacked by corporations for the benefit of a few.

      Not just the US government, many of the same corporations are trying (with varying degrees of sucess) to get these kind of laws everywhere on the entire planet.
      The other problem is that these laws are often useless against large corporations themselves. (Criminal law especially, corporations can be sued, but they can't be jailed). Otherwise something drastic would have happened to Sony when they put a "rootkit" on what were allegedly music CDs.

      Sony has plenty of money, and continues to make plenty of money even with the "rampant piracy" that happens today.

      Also in a time where many businesses are finding their costs increasing due to economic factors outside of their control, such as the rising price of oil and the resulting increase in the price of all oil derived products.

      Sure, their aging business model is starting to have diminshing returns, but that's life. Progress happens. Technology improves and outdated methods go the way of the horse and buggy.

      A sensible company in such a situation either looks to change their business model or ceases trading. In both cases whilst they are still "in credit".

      This law is a clear demonstration of the government being in the pockets of the corporations. It gives way too much power, and eliminates virtually all of the real benefits of copyright (aside from the single purpose of diverting money from the people into the hands of a few corporations).

      In many cases these same corporations have zero respect for the copyright of anyone outside their own group. There even appear to be cases, such as the "mainstream media", where copyright infringment is almost routine. As well as soliciting material from readers and viewers, then hiding somewhere in the terms and conditions that by doing so you are transfering copyright to them, even if they don't broadcast/print it. As opposed to somthing like, "We won't pass it to any third party, it we use it we will credit it as yours and pay you X amount of money. Unless you wish to apply different terms and conditions to our using your work, if we don't agree with them then we won't publish your work."

  5. 17 USC 506 -- why it's criminal by compumike · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are some standards defined for what makes any particular act of copyright violation to be a criminal act. These are clearly defined in 17 USC 506. But to summarize, it requires willful infringement, plus one of either 1) financial gain, 2) total value over $1,000, or 3) pre-release of material in preparation. Criminal infringement does not apply to the casual downloader. There are still valid questions as to whether the punishment matches the crime, but these criminal laws are targeting the big fish.

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    1. Re:17 USC 506 -- why it's criminal by Libertarian001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup, they were originallyintended to target the big fish, but the last several years have shown the targeted fish becoming smaller and smaller.

      Normally I'd be wary of the slippery slope logical fallacy. In this case, I think there's a proven track record that that's exactly what's happening.

    2. Re:17 USC 506 -- why it's criminal by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 2, Interesting

      total value over $1,000,

      Which of course makes all copyright infringement into criminal infringement as no copyright holder is ever going to claim less then hundreds of thousands to millions in "losses" per piece of data shared. You see, 1000 million bazillion downloads could have occurred (yes, yes every man, woman and child and their pet parrot could have purchased the thing many times - and soon that will be the only option with "pay-to-read"!) thus depriving the poor copyright holder of a veritable mountains of cash.

      That has been the standard "reasoning" in all copyright infringement cases and is unlikely to change. In fact that is the very reason why the clause of "value over $1000" was put in as the writers of the law set it to make sure that every single case qualified. Welcome to lobbyist law writing 101.

    3. Re:17 USC 506 -- why it's criminal by blueg3 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You have to do one of the three, not all of the three. As such, copyright infringement where you profit from the result always qualifies, regardless of the value of the material.

      Giving something away for free is only criminal if its value is over $1000 (total) or it's prerelease. So giving away free software against the copyright agreement after it's been released will never be criminal, but using free software in something that is for profit is.

  6. Re:Criminal downloading by th1nk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    25 years old is plenty old enough to realize that serving up unreleased music is a pretty stupid thing to do, no?

  7. The key here was that he got paid for it by stox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That makes a world of difference. If he hadn't been paid, it would have been an entirely different matter before the court.

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    1. Re:The key here was that he got paid for it by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. I mean, I didn't RTFA, so I'm assuming you're right that he got paid for it, but I agree that it makes a world of difference.

      To me, copyright law's original intent is valid. The system was set up in a time when making copies and distributing them on a wide scale took serious money. So the problem was that a book publisher, for example, might front a writer development costs for writing a book. Then the publishing house prints up copies and starts selling them. Without any laws in place, another book publisher could then buy a copy of the book, print their own copies, and sell them at a discount. This second book publisher would necessarily be at an economic advantage because their production costs would be the same, but they had no development costs. Copyright protection was created specifically to stop that sort of poaching by competing commercial entities.

      The problem with copyright law now is that it has become trivially easy for private individuals to create copies of large works and distribute on a wide scale for free. Individuals have been accustomed to sharing content, e.g. loaning a record to your friend, and in fact this behavior has always been to the benefit of creators/distributers. However, once the "record" is a computer file, the line between "loaning" and "making a copy" becomes a bit blurred, and so the difference between "sharing with friends" and "copyright infringement" is also blurred. We haven't yet adjusted fully to this development.

      However, a professional "pirate" who *sells* copies in violation of a copyright is a pretty unambiguous case. i have no problem with those cases being prosecuted in civil court, and in serious enough situations, criminal court.

  8. Re:Criminal downloading by _KiTA_ · · Score: 3, Funny

    25 years old is plenty old enough to realize that serving up unreleased music is a pretty stupid thing to do, no? Obviously so, because the average 25 year old college student would never, ever dream of doing it. Clearly, this mentally deficient young man is a statistical anomaly, perhaps a communist or even a -- dare I say it -- TERRORIST.

    Clearly, a more fitting crime for this liberal commie-terrorist (who kicks kittens) would be 5 years per kilobyte.
  9. "Total retail value" comes closer to $0.99/track by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And what is the RIAA claiming the value of a single track is these days? RIAA's claims are based on the statutory damages of section 504. But section 506 states that the criminal threshold is based specifically on "total retail value", which would come much closer to the $0.99 per track that iTunes Store charges.
  10. CC "nc" licenses; copyleft/$$$ dual licensing by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Also, I forgot to add, that the "value over $1000" has another insidious purpose: to exclude copyright infringement by corporations on Creative Commons or FOSS work. That's true of permissive licenses. But some Creative Commons licenses have a non-commercial use clause, which makes a work non-free so as to allow for a "retail value" that only the author can charge for the work. And some works, such as Qt and LZO libraries, are dual-licensed under copyleft and proprietary commercial licensing, where the right to restrict redistribution of derivative works requires payment. These have a "retail value": the price of a commercial license.
  11. It's a trade secret by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This guy "stole" imaginary property. He shared music online. No, he leaked unpublished music online. Even without any copyright whatsoever, this fellow might have been prosecuted under trade secret laws.
  12. Re:Criminal downloading by OMNIpotusCOM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Obviously so, because the average 25 year old college student [fluff cut out by replier] mentally deficient young man is a statistical anomaly, perhaps a communist or even a -- dare I say it -- TERRORIST. Oh, he was a college student? Oh shit, that fixes it, no wonder he did something as dumb as this. Yeah, we should definitely pity this individual.
  13. How does it compare to... by kinocho · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am a foreigner, how does that compare to, for example, an homicide crime? I understand the points made that the music was prereleased, but this still makes no sense for me. I think the law has better things to do than wasting time on this issues. And five years is a lot of time.

  14. ...instead of forcing a roll-call vote by tepples · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This law was nothing of Bill Clinton's doing, except that he signed it instead of vetoing it (which would have been pointless True, a presidential veto of the NET Act, the Bono Act, or the DMCA would have been pointless in terms of keeping the bills from becoming law. Each of the bills passed through a voice vote, meaning that the yeas and nays of each member never became public record. Under Article I of the U.S. Constitution, it takes four-fifths percent of both houses to push a voice vote through (section 5) but only 67 percent of both houses to override a veto (section 7). Still, a President has power to create bad press for the supporters of a bill because a veto forces a roll-call vote (section 7).
  15. another nonviolent offender behind bars... by j0nb0y · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And we wonder why we have so many people in prison...

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    1. Re:another nonviolent offender behind bars... by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting
      And we wonder why we have so many people in prison...

      In the American system almost all violent offenders are prosecuted at the state level. The federal system has more than enough room for the Enron exec who thinks that economic and property crimes harm no one.
      In other societies the white-collar criminal has been known to face the hangman's noose or the firing squad.
      An extreme remedy, perhaps. But it does tend to very efficiently strip away the technocrat's assumption that his brains and his skills make him answerable to no one.

  16. Re:signed into law in 1997 by Bill Clinton... by marxmarv · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Goodlatte? You mean the one who makes a point of ignoring anyone from outside of his district? Who's the big IP holder in his neck of the woods?

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  17. Several facts are wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    He was a siteop, not a supplier. Are you retarded? I doubt mp3 was the only section on this site anyhow. Additionally, it is "aPC" not "APC".

    The funniest part is the fact that this group has been practically dead since around 2002 or so.

  18. Re:Criminal downloading by purpleraison · · Score: 3, Insightful

    well gosh, then I suppose the folks at Enron, and the many people involved in other multi-million and billion dollar embezzlement schemes should get at least 5 years too, huh?

    But we ALL know that won't happen.

    In my eyes, until the rich and politically powerful are held to the same laws that govern us little people -- jail time for something like this is insane.

    You DO realize that there are cases where people have been murdered, which did not net as much jail time as we are talking about this?

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  19. Slow down, cowboy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those wondering when infringement became a criminal matter, you can thank the NET Act which was signed into law in 1997 by Bill Clinton.

    From the Copyright Corner:

    Criminal misdemeanor penalties have been a part of the copyright law since 1897.

    In the 1909 Copyright Act, criminal copyright infringement was expanded to cover all types of works and all types of activities. It continued to be a misdemeanor offense with both willfulness and a financial motive required; the penalties included imprisonment.

    The 1976 Act revamped the criminal provisions by changing the "for profit" requirement to infringement conducted "willfully and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain." This lowered the standard from requiring that the defendant profit from the infringement merely to an intent to profit or gain from the activity. The Act retained the one-year in federal prison term but increased the fine from $1,000 in fines to up to $10,000 generally, and to $50,000 if the work infringed was a sound recording or motion picture.

    In 1982 the criminal infringement provisions were amended to make certain types of first-time infringement punishable as felonies.

    The most recent amendment to criminal copyright infringement was the No Electronic Theft Act of 1997 (NetAct) which made it a felony to reproduce or distribute copies of copyrighted works electronically regardless of whether the defendant had a profit motive. Thus, it changed the 100-year standard regarding profit motive but retained the element of willfulness. The ease of infringement on the Internet was the primary reason for criminalizing noncommercial infringement as well as recognition of other motivations a nonprofit defendant might have such as anti-copyright or anti-corporate sentiment, trying to make a name in the Internet world and wanting to be a cyber renegade. So, the infringement must be either: (1) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain or (2) involve the reproduction or distribution of one or more copies of a work or works within a 180-day period with a total retail value of $1,000. Commercial infringers are subject to higher penalties.

    CRIMINAL COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT [2004}

    Connecticut Man Sentenced To 30 Months in Prison For Criminal Copyright Infringement - Forty Defendants Convicted In Operation Copycat To Date {April 29, 2008]

    1. Re: Slow down, Cowboy by westlake · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Not quite sure how this ended as a posting from an AC.

      Short and sweet:

      Criminal misdemeanors have been part of american copyright law since 1897.
      The reach of the criminal law was extended and harsher penalties made available as early as 1909.
      In 1982 first-time offenders could be convicted on a felony charge.

      As for the NET act of 1997:

      The ease of infringement on the Internet was the primary reason for criminalizing noncommercial infringement as well as recognition of other motivations a nonprofit defendant might have such as anti-copyright or anti-corporate sentiment, trying to make a name in the Internet world and wanting to be a cyber renegade. Criminal Copyright Infringement

  20. Re:Prohibition by brianosaurus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Unfortunately, not everyone can handle alcohol as well as you think you can (impaired judgement is also an affect of alcohol, so take what you think with a grain of salt). I'm sure plenty of people who kill someone while driving drunk thought they were fine when they got in the car.

    It is hard to design laws to be adaptable to every possible situation. They had to pick a point and .08% is what they determined. Maybe you are fine driving at 0.1 or higher, but that makes you an exception. There are probably some people who are dangerous well below that level, but they can still legally drive.

    If you are driving period, you are risking your life and the lives of others. Adding further impairment to the situation (such as drinking, drugs, being tired, distractions) makes the risk even worse.

    DUI laws are not prohibition. They are a deterrent for hazardous behavior. If you think you're over the limit, take a cab. Its easy and safe. Plus you can have another drink and not have to worry that you might get pulled over for some minor infraction and have a "DUI" charge stacked on top of it.

    BUT in this case, the guy hosting audio files isn't a danger to anyone's life. His actions are not criminal, except in the view of an overbearing law payed for by an industry desperate to maintain their anachronistic revenue streams. Contrary to the scientific evidence that alcohol impairs judgement and motor skills, scientific evidence shows that file sharing actually increases music sales.

    The NET law really is out of control.

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  21. OK by westbake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The more you learn about the RIAA, the more sense a simple FU makes.

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  22. NET Act redefines "financial gain"! by Xenographic · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > it requires willful infringement, plus one of either 1) financial gain

    Just to be fair, the NET Act also redefines "financial gain" to include a laundry list of things. One of those things that laundry list covers is receiving other copyrighted works in return.

    Yes, that's right. In theory, joining a torrent could be "financial gain" so long as the contents were valuable enough.

    In practice, we don't have full-fledged copyright cops (yet), so they don't bother with small fry. But that WILL change if they can get the PRO-IP Act through congress. My sincere hope is that it never gets that far.

  23. Re:Fsck the engieer! They do no work!! by Dirtside · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or are you saying that stealing engineering blueprints is OK because if you just photocopied it, gave the originals back and gave the finger to the contractor (not paid for work done), that is OK because it is only "infringement" not theft of their time and expertise? I'm guessing most slashdot would say yes, screw the engineer, based on current moderation.
    Is there something wrong with your reading comprehension? The GP pointed out that this was a case of copyright infringement, not larceny. He said nothing about whether it was okay to do so. The real problem is fools who think that it's a good idea to equate copyright infringement with larceny. They're not the same thing, and for good reason.
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  24. The first conviction was in 1999 by MacDork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Jeffrey Gerard Levy was actually the first person convicted of felony copyright infringement without profit motive under the 1997 NET Act. The University of Oregon threw him to the wolves when he was 22 years old. He was given two years probation.

    Others have already pointed out that criminal copyright infringement in the US is far older than Bill Clinton, but that does not excuse him for the 1997 NET Act. Before that act, imprisonment for sharing without profit motive was not an option. I'd say America has enough prisoners already. America claims 5% of the world's population, but 25% of the the world's imprisoned population.

  25. and you're still an uninformed fool by vague_ascetic · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just did a quick look-up on Thomas. The Bill originated in the House:

    • Bob Goodlatte (R-VA) - introduced the bill
    • Chris Cannon (R-UT) - sponsor
    • Bob Clement (D-TN) - sponsor
    • Howard Coble (R-NC) - sponsor
    • William D. Delahunt (D-MA) - sponsor
    • Barney Frank (D-MA) - sponsor
    • Elton Gallegly (R-CA) - sponsor

    On the Senate side, the following Senators voiced support in the Congressional Daily Record:

    • Trent Lott (R-MI)
    • Patrick Leahy(D-VT)
    • Orrin Hatch(R-UT)
    • Jon Kyl (R-AZ)

    I found no obvious dissent, and there were many other House members who did not speak, but were mentioned as supporting the Bill

    The Bill was passed by unanimous consent on a voice vote in both the House and The Senate, indicating that if there was any opposition, it was very weak, and they did not even consider it important enough to order a roll call vote (any legislator can call for a roll-call on any vote)

    The legislative branch makes the laws. The President can veto, but given the evidence I found from a skimming search, even if Clinton had been opposed (which I doubt), the veto would have easily been overridden in the legislature. The President usually does not waste his power pissing off legislators in a veto battle he has no hope of winning.

    The Slasdot author took a gratuitous baseless shot at Clinton, who hasn't even been in office for over 7 years now, when the congressman who introduced the bill and 5 of the 6 sponsors are still house members, as are 3 of the 4 Senators I listed.

    The arrogant naivete of American voters is astounding and obscene. I wasn't a big Clinton fan; in fact anyone who would lie under oath about a consensual blow job has an exceedingly low valuation of his own personal honour. Still the fact remains, that after 7 1/2 years of the Bush tyranny; a president's lies about a blow-job, cum-stained dresses, and exotically aromatic tobacco products is fucking minor league when compared to lies about the causes for War Upon Iraq; the lies about al Qaida licking its wounds in Pakistan, the theft of habeas corpus, the governmental imprimatur upon acts of human torture, and the blood-stained Iraqi sands.

    The Democratic Party is The Lamer of Two Evils, and the Republican Party has yet to even begin to feel the level of pain necessary for it to purge its resident evil.

    Which is a bigger lie?

    • Lying about a blow-job after distorting the attorney's own definition of sex, in a sexual harassment suit so frivolous, it was tossed summary judgment, because the plaintiff failed to advance one instance of workplace harassment in preliminary hearings.
    • After pleading guilty to Soliciting Sexual Acts and Peeping in a Public toilet, or after soliciting a cop for a $20 blow job in a city park's toilet, stating publicly for the record that you are not gay?

    Thus Speaks The Rectaltude of Contemporary Conservatives.
    But, look out behind you! It's The Penis of The President Past...

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