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Details Emerging On Tunguska Impact Crater

#space_on_irc.freenode.net (Dusty) writes "Lake Cheko in Siberia has been noted as the probable crater of the 1908 Siberian Tunguska event. This news was discussed here in December, but details on the crater were scant. Now a new paper written by Luca Gasperini, Enrico Bonatti, and Giuseppe Longo (the same team in Bologna, Italy that made news in December) has a horde of new details on the supposed crater. The team visited Lake Cheko complete with their own catamaran and completed ground-penetrating radar maps, side-scanning sonar images, aerial images, and some sample collection of Lake Cheko. Intriguingly, they also imaged an object under the sediment that may be a fragment of the impacting body. Their paper (PDF) includes a lot more details including images, side-scanning sonar image, a 3-D view of the lake, a morphobathymetric map. It's an interesting read, these dudes are good. They plan to return this summer and drill the core if weather permits, hopefully answering the question once and for all." The same team also has a more discursive article in the current Scientific American that includes some detail on the working conditions in the Siberian summer. Think: mosquitos.

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  1. First Impact.. by Phrogman · · Score: 5, Funny

    err, post I mean

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  2. whoosh... by Thornburg · · Score: 4, Funny


    BOOOM!!!

    What else do we need to know about the Tunguska event?

    Ok, maybe it would make a cool short film by some of animation whiz. Preferably starring the squirrel from the Ice Age shorts.

  3. C'mon editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The team visited Lake Cheko complete with their own catamaran

    Is it really that hard to spell 'cameraman' correctly? C'mon editors! Get on it!

    1. Re:C'mon editors! by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Nah, funny is spelling it "catamoron"

    2. Re:C'mon editors! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      >The team visited Lake Cheko complete with their own catamaran

      Is it really that hard to spell 'cameraman' correctly? C'mon editors! Get on it!


      Catamaran is correct.

      That's because: In former Russia, your Tunguska's got a catamaran.

    3. Re:C'mon editors! by AutopsyReport · · Score: 4, Funny

      In Russia Soviet, a cat has got your Tongueska.

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    4. Re:C'mon editors! by longacre · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry, Soviet Russia was not formed until 1922. Tunguska occurred 14 years too early for this meme.

    5. Re:C'mon editors! by mazarin5 · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Czarist Russia, meme is too early for you!

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  4. Very interesting article by Tisha_AH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been following this team's progress with their investigation since it first came to light last year on the slash. They present a compelling case that there may be an impact body that created the lake.

    I can't wait and see their results from core drilling the lake.

    There have been several other impacts that were recorded by mankind (one in Estonia, recorded by Pliny the Younger).

    The Tunguska event could be mis-interpreted as a nuclear strike if it were to happen today over a populated area. We need to increase our understanding of the frequency and effects of bolide impacts upon our planet.

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    1. Re:Very interesting article by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Tunguska event could be mis-interpreted as a nuclear strike if it were to happen today over a populated area.

      I thought nuclear strikes were highly radioactive. That and other clues would be easy to gather very quickly.

    2. Re:Very interesting article by Tisha_AH · · Score: 5, Insightful

      True, a nuclear weapon will leave radioactivity and this can be detected readily. Unfortunately we are still living in a world where submarines, bombers and missiles are pointed from country to country like loaded shotguns on a hair trigger.

      My fear is that someone would mis-interpret an incoming meteor as a nuclear weapon and initiate a launch on their perceived threats.

      If Moscow, Washington DC, Beijing or London were wiped out in a meteorite strike that was not detected before the destruction. Do you think that missile forces would not be put on high alert?

      We are not that far away from the days of "Fail Safe".

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    3. Re:Very interesting article by jmichaelg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The grandparent may be thinking of this event. Had the bollide arrived a few hours earlier, it would have exploded over either Pakistan or India who were already shooting at each other over Kashmir. The explosion was twice as large as the Hiroshima blast.

      Whether both sides would have held their fire in that event is hard to tell.

  5. We can check it for serial numbers :) by NickFortune · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously, the smart bet seems to be that event was caused by an asteroid strike. But until someone gathers some hard data, that's still only a hypothesis.

    What self respecting scientist wouldn't go and examine the evidence? Because if it wasn't an asteroid strike...

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    1. Re:We can check it for serial numbers :) by Dancindan84 · · Score: 5, Funny

      What self respecting scientist wouldn't go and examine the evidence? Because if it wasn't an asteroid strike... ... they may accidentally defrost Megatron!
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    2. Re:We can check it for serial numbers :) by phat_cartman · · Score: 4, Funny

      What self respecting scientist wouldn't go and examine the evidence?

      I initially read that as "What self-replicating scientist...". After that, the jokes really write themselves...
  6. We all know Tesla did it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you saw that documentary on him called The Prestige, you know he's capable of almost anything.

  7. RE: Siberian Summer. Think Mosquitos. by FurtiveGlancer · · Score: 4, Funny

    And vodka, and borst, and potatoes.

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  8. Evidence against by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The various samplings from the bottom of Lake Cheko (P'yavchenko, Kozlovskaya) revealed extensive development of silt up to 7 meters deep, indicating an ancient origin for the lake (tentatively estimated at 5000 to 10,000 years), thus completely contradicting the hypothesis of the formation of the lake as a result of the Tunguska meteorite fall (V. Koshelev, 1960)."

    http://abob.libs.uga.edu/bobk/tungmet.html

    1. Re:Evidence against by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yes, which, if you had read the paper linked to, you would see that they tackle said claim directly.

      However, as our study progressed, we began to question the old age of the lake for the following reasons:
      1 Our sub-bottom acoustic reïection data show that, of a 10 m thick sediment pile, only the top
      1 ± 0.5 m is laminated, ïne-grained, normal lacustrine sediments (Gasperini et al., 2007). The
      lower chaotic material appears not to be deposited by normal lacustrine sedimentation.
      2 210 Pb and 137 Cs datings on sediment cores from the lake suggest sedimentation rates of roughly 1cm/yr)1(Gasperini et al., 2001). Assuming this rate is mostly due to ïne-grained material transported into the lake from the Kimchu
      River, the thin lacustrine sequence is compatible with a young (100 years) age for the lake.
  9. Go Slashdot !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is what I'm talking about!

    No more of that crap from idle on the front page, this is what you should be posting! This makes my geekiness tingle, this is what keeps me coming back. Please, for the love of God, more of the same!

  10. For those that can't seem to find it by the_arrow · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to Wikipedia, the lake is at 60.964 N and 101.86 E. Might make it easier to find in Google earth.

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    1. Re:For those that can't seem to find it by tgd · · Score: 4, Funny

      WTF? I can get better zoom resolution on a lake in the middle of nowhere Siberia than I can get at my house!?

      Somethings just not right about that.

  11. All your blood are belong to us by davidwr · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Mosquito suck YOU!

    Oh ... wait ... nevermind.

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  12. Not the original paper ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The paper in the posting is a reply to a comment with the contrary interpretation (i.e. that Lake Cheko isn't an impact) [Same paper as PDF]. The critical comment should be cited too.

    The original paper by Gasperini et al. (2007) is also available as PDF and HTML.

    I'm not particularly convinced by the evidence they present. It's quite circumstantial. What they need to find and sample is an ejecta-related layer in the lake stratigraphy or in a lake nearby, and you'd think that if such a large impactor hit the ground there would be plenty of micrometeorite debris in the sediments of the surrounding area. Geomorphological evidence and age just isn't enough.

  13. Re:this is not real science by fracai · · Score: 4, Funny

    yeah, The X-Files should totally have done an episode where it turns out that the Tunguska event was the land fall of aliens. They could even call the episode Tunguska!

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  14. Re:Think twinkie by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Tunguska blast may well have been the biggest interdimensional crossrip up until the Gozer incident of 1984.

  15. Semen Semenov? Ouch. by GreyDuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    From the SciAm article's photo caption: "In this artist's conception, Semen Semenov, who witnessed the blast at a distant trading post, starts to feel the heat."

    That's... a really, really unfortunate name, dude.

    (I love that they managed to work "heat" and "conception" into a sentence about a guy named Semen.)

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  16. Mosquitos ++ by RockDoctor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    the working conditions in the Siberian summer. Think: mosquitos.
    Mosquitoes ad nauseam.

    Mosquitoes to the point of anaphylaxis (well, that was what the rig's medic was afraid of, which is why he evacuated me back to the base camp).

    Mosquitoes that can maintain eye contact at a meter range (i.e you can see it's eyes at a meter range) through the window of the car, then launch an assault on this nice juicy mammal, only being stopped by the glass of the window.

    Mosquitoes that can keep pace with you while driving at 40km/hr on a dirt road.

    Mosquitoes that can bite you through a leather glove, 20 times in one evening's work. They choose the clipboard hand, because you can't swat with that and get your work done.

    Don't get me wrong - Siberia is interesting, but don't forget the industrial strength insect repellent and the appropriate clothing. If you don't know what's appropriate, ask a bee keeper. And don't forget the vaccination against tick-borne encaphalitis (which includes Lyme disease, I believe), which takes several weeks to become effective.

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  17. Carolina bays by Solandri · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's a similar mystery right here in the U.S. The Carolina bays are elliptical depressions scattered throughout the southern Eastern U.S. seaboard. They're mostly filled with water so form small lakes, ponds, or wetlands. But they're all approximately the same shape and orientation (but not size). A variety of theories have been posed as to their origin, including a glancing comet strike (shallow angle impacts produce elliptical craters, not round). They're not as well-known as the Tunguska event, but they're a lot more accessible if you wanted to visit a mysterious possible impact site.