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What Examples of Security Theater Have You Encountered?

swillden writes "Everyone who pays any attention at all to security, both computer security and 'meatspace' security, has heard the phrase Security Theater. For years I've paid close attention to security setups that I come in contact with, and tried to evaluate their real effectiveness vs their theatrical aspects. In the process I've found many examples of pure theater, but even more cases where the security was really a cover for another motive." swillden would like to know what you've encountered along these lines; read on for the rest of his question below. swillden continues: "Recently, a neighbor uncovered a good example. He and his wife attended a local semi-pro baseball game where security guards were checking all bags for weapons. Since his wife carries a small pistol in her purse, they were concerned that there would be a problem. They decided to try anyway, and see if her concealed weapon permit satisfied the policy. The guard looked at her gun, said nothing and passed them in, then stopped the man behind them because he had beer and snacks in his bag. Park rules prohibit outside food. It's clear what the 'security' check was really about: improving park food vending revenues.

So, what examples of pure security theater have you noticed? Even more interesting, what examples of security-as-excuse have you seen?"

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  1. On the web side of things by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While creating an intranet for the company I was doing some outside work for I ran into a problem authenticating through their antiquated AD system. Rather than updating everything or heaven forbid give management an actual password to remember my instructions were to "make it as scary as possible but don't actually put a password on it." I had a four tiered authentication system which would allow you to move forward regardless of what was put in the text boxes. They loved it, and a little piece of me died when I cashed the check.

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    "Never let your sense of morals prevent you from doing what is right" - Salvor Hardin
    1. Re:On the web side of things by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also on the web side of things, a friend of someone I don't even know was working for a government department where certain officers with very high legal responsibility where given access to the network over the internet using an extremely locked down remote desktop type of product. These officers were given the access so they could review important and often highly sensitive files at home. Just to be clear, these officers are also cleared to take the material home on paper, so giving them this kind of access is not really a problem.

      The hole in the the system was that the secure remote desktop type product allowed them to deny certain types of access and the policy forbade the ability to print on the officer's local printers. This was to prevent the leaking of sensitive information in case the officer was burgled, or perhaps to keep the log files neater. Most likely to look good to their bosses by applying strict security measures.

      One day in a meeting on security for an unrelated project this friend of someone I have never even met used this as an example to illustrate the difference between reality and theatre by pointing out that these officers had taken to emailing sensitive documents to hotmail accounts (!!!!), then downloading them and printing them at home. You wouldn't call the colours of their anglo faces white on receiving this information, more a dull silvery grey.

      The following week it was announced that these officers would be allowed to print on local computers when logged into the network. The friend of someone I have no idea about also got a generally more pragmatic approach to security for at least three weeks!

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      I don't therefore I'm not.
  2. Library Self-Checkouts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The libraries let you sign your own books out. You place your book and card under a scanner, and then it demagnetizes the book so the alarms won't go off when you leave. The scanner only reads a barcode though, so you can stick five books on it, sign out one, and demagnetize them all. Presto, four free books.

    Of course, when the security alarms do go off at the library anyway, they just let the people walk out.

  3. DIEBOLD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    DIEBOLD and other voting machine manufacturers take the cake for Security Theater. Throwing around words like encryption make most politicians nod ignorantly in agreement (something politicians often do). By now we should know the whole voting system is rigged, and that these fools are continuing to tout themselves as secure.

    Here's the movie that partially but convincingly explores how jacked up this situation is:
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4762159260759486531&ei=Fms8SKmYKJCEqgPTx4XjAw&hl=en

  4. Back button on bank's web site by rduke15 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On my bank's web site, when I used the browser's back button, things started to get out of sync. You had to click their own custom back button somewhere in the pages so that everything would continues to work.

    When I called to report it, I was explained that I had to click their own back button, not mine. When I said "Yes, I know, I just wanted to let you know so that you can fix the bug sometime", the final answer was something like "It's by design. It's for security reasons". At that point I was expected to say "ok. thank you" or whatever, and to understand that a "bug" was totally unthinkable on their super-reliable ultra-secure blah blah bank site.

    Nevertheless, a few months later, the bug was gone. I didn't call back to say I'm now worried about the security...

  5. 2002 Winter Olympics by ryanisflyboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was living in Salt Lake City during these games. Remember that the Olympics were only a few months after 9/11. There were huge security concerns. We saw low flying helicopters over the city we were told were searching for nuclear material. We saw various 'special forces' teams deployed in the mountains around venues looking for 'snipers.' The security downtown was surreal. People were checking every car coming in and out for bombs. Everyone had to go through metal detectors (in some cases, you actually had to pass two layers of metal detectors). The amount of government agents per city block was astounding. Many were armed with sub-machine guns. For such a quiet city like Salt Lake, seeing troops walk around in full combat gear was quite theatrical.

    My favorite security theatric was an ATF agent standing on a street corner, machine gun in hand and in full combat gear. He was waving and smiling at people driving buy to be sure they all saw him and his gun. I stopped and watched him for about 20 minutes before he started using his radio while giving me the 'killer' eyes. Despite the smiling and waving, he was not friendly, not at all. I decided to vacate my vantage point. Those guys were so bored they were looking for targets to harass.

  6. My experience with the TSA and Patriot Act by SoCalChris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Patriot Act

    I had some stock options through my job that I tried to cash through the etrade account that had been set up for me. The stock price was rather high, and our trading window was about to close, so I tried selling at literally the last minute. The sell order failed, and no reason was given. A few days later, I received a letter in the mail from etrade telling me that my account was locked. Several years before, while living in a different state, I had an etrade account. Because the SSN was the same on both accounts, but the addresses were totally different, some part of the Patriot Act made them lock my account until I could prove my identity by sending them a notarized copy of my social security card.

    Another example, which isn't really security theater, just shitty work by the TSA happened to me a few years before that.

    My wife had to fly out of state for a funeral, and she took our 6 month old daughter with her. I took them to the ticket counter. Since she was traveling with a baby, a car seat, and her carry on bag, the ticket agent offered to print me a pass that would allow me to accompany her to the gate and help her carry her things.

    As I was getting up to the xray machines, I remembered that I had a small pocket knife in my pocket. I hadn't removed it since I wasn't expecting to go through security. As I got to the xray machine, I told the operator what had happened, and told her that I'd just go back through the line and put the knife out in our car.

    She seemed ok with that, and told me that I could just go ahead and go through the xray machine, and out the exit that was just a few feet from the xray machine, so I didn't have to go back and work my way through the line.

    As soon as I went through, several TSA agents came up and detained me for attempting to bring a weapon through the security checkpoint. I wound up being searched, my 6 month old daughter that I was holding was searched, and I was questioned for about an hour as to why I had tried to take a knife through security. Not once did they go talk to the lady running the xray machine less than 50 feet away, who had told me to go through.

    In the end, my knife was confiscated (It was about a $50 knife), and I was threatened that I could be under arrest for attempting to smuggle a weapon through the airport, and I could be facing a several thousand dollar fine for it. They filled out a report, and made me immediately leave the terminal.

    About a month later, I received a letter from the TSA saying that they had chosen not to fine me this time, but if I ever came up in their system again I would face the maximum penalties.

    That was the day that I lost all faith in our government.

  7. Guard Gates by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In a past life, I worked for a major aerospace company. Security appeared pretty tight, what with armed guards checking IDs at entry points. They also had manned checkpoints to check vehicle passes at the road entrances. These were usually issued to upper management, enabling them to park inside the fence, close to the buildings. The peons had to park outside and walk in.

    Because of my job in various R&D labs, I was always hauling equipment around in my personal vehicle. There were provisions to issue employees in my position a temporary vehicle pass and a 'parcel pass', allowing us to transport company equipment through the gates.

    Throughout my career, I was never ever challenged when exiting a facility with a hatchback, obviously loaded with expensive equipment. The vehicle pass system existed only to ensure that some scumbag grunt didn't park in a manager's space. Security guards were nothing more than glorified parking enforcement.

    At some of the production facilities, gate guards were instructed to examine lunch boxes of the workers exiting to ensure that they were not swiping tools. Briefcases were exempt from such checks, as they were typically carried by trusted engineers and management. As most of the engineers working within production facilities were indistinguishable from mechanics by dress or any badge markings, I suppose it never occurred to security that a worker intent on swiping tools could obtain a briefcase.

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    Have gnu, will travel.
  8. Beyond security theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a friend who works for *organization*. They work in a
    single-story building, in a suburb of a second-tier city. The building
    sits on its own plot of land, on a hill, in an industrial-office-park
    kind of area. The building is a lab, but it's mostly monitoring
    equipment. It's not weapons, or explosives, or significant quantities
    of chemicals.

    This is probably not what anyone would consider a high-value target.
    There's never been any kind of attack or threat against the building
    or its personnel. But after 9-11, management started obsessing about
    security.

    The first thing they did was get armed guards for the building. Armed
    guards did not make my friend feel secure. My friend wondered about
    their training and worried about getting shot.

    Guard duty is tough. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter,
    and the guards aren't in good condition to begin with, since they just
    stand there all day and never get any exercise. In practice, the
    guards spend most of their time sitting in their cars in front of the
    building, with the engine running for heat or AC.

    Management decided that this didn't look good, so they built a guard
    shack along the right-hand side of the driveway. Now the guard sits in
    the shack and watches the cars go by.

    But that didn't seem very secure either--a bad guy could just drive
    right by without stopping
    (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing).

    So they added a gate, and spikes, and a card reader. To pass, an
    employee stops at the gate, rolls down their window and swipes their
    card. The gate goes up, the spikes retract, and they drive through.

    My friend doesn't trust this system a bit, and makes a point of
    watching to see that the spikes have retracted before driving over
    them. There was speculation among the staff as to who would be the
    first to blow out their tires on the spikes. As it happenes, it was
    the mailman, followed some time later by two visitors who either
    didn't see or didn't understand the signs warning against following
    another vehicle through the gate.

    I suggested that they stencil silhouettes of all the vehicles they've
    caught on the guard shack, the way fighter pilots (used to?) record
    kills on the nose of their airplanes.

    My friend points out that even with a gate and spikes, the system only
    protects against attackers who
    - care about their tires, and
    - don't have trucks
    because any vehicle can blow through the gate and make it the short
    distance to the building on four flat tires, and any truck can drive
    over the curb and avoid the whole thing.

    Management decided that blowing out their visitors' tires was
    unfriendly, so they instituted a new procedure for passing the gate.
    Now, drivers stop at the gate and roll down their window. The guard
    walks from the shack (on the right), in front of the car, to the card
    reader (on the left), takes the driver's card, swipes it, and returns
    it to the driver. Then the driver can pass.

    The staff considered that the guards were now at risk of being run
    over--and it happened. An employee reached down in his car to get his
    card, his foot came off the brake, and the car rolled forward into the
    guard. The guard was taken to hospital--I don't think the injuries
    were too serious. The driver has to appear in court and pay fines--I
    don't know if it is criminal or civil.

    This is beyond security theater. This is real damage.

  9. In the post-9/11 hysteria by kent_eh · · Score: 1, Interesting
    Our company hired security guards to sit in the hall outside the unmarked door to the equipment room (in my location it's an un-marked door on the 16th floor of an office building).
    Thus making people wonder "what's so important behind that door?

    The security guard on the early shift was the most frail ancient person I have ever seen in a uniform, but dammit, we were doing something. Or at least being seen to do something, which is just as good.

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    "I can't complain, but sometimes still do..." Joe Walsh
  10. Crossing back into US from Canada... by KC7GR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Every year, my lady and I go up to Canada for the 4th of July weekend to escape the annual (and mostly illegal, under local city codes) fireworks war-zone that infests our neighborhood. We've been doing this for several years, and in fact we both just got our NEXUS cards.

    To help put this in context: I'm a ham radio operator, as well as a volunteer first-responder. I've had formal training, through our city's fire department, in disaster relief, emergency medical procedures, basic search-and-rescue, the whole bit.

    Because of the above, our minivan is well-equipped for emergencies. I've installed multiple communication radios, a navigation computer, and I carry a medical trauma kit and various safety gear such as flares and a reflective vest. Besides the small antenna farm on the roof, I also have a light bar mounted on the back end (amber, red, clear... same as many tow trucks).

    Every bit of it is legal under the road laws of every state except New York (I know, because I spent a couple of long nights going through said laws to make bloody sure!). Couple all that with the fact that I work for our state's police agency (non-commissioned, civil service).

    Now, with all the above in mind -- Last year, we're coming back through on Sunday afternoon. I normally have the radios and navigation system on while driving, and this has never, in times past, been an issue.

    Not this year. The border guard we drew seemed to be short on both sleep and temper, and rudely ordered me to turn EVERYthing off before he would even talk to us. One of the questions he asked, after that point, was who I worked for. When I told him, he said (snappily) that, for that reason alone, I should understand why he'd told me to turn everything off.

    He let us move on at that point, but before I took off I told him, flat out, "No, I don't understand."

    And it was the honest truth! If someone's going to try and set off something that goes bang via radio, or other wireless means, it strikes me that they're going to go to considerable effort to keep such activities hidden. They certainly would not do so in a hugely-long border-crossing line, where there was absolutely no way to move anywhere but through the guard posts, in a minivan that stands out like a solar flare and has ham radio callsign plates to boot!

    I have no clear idea why this guard was so nasty, or what bizarre purpose his attitude served. I will say that it did indeed strike me as pure theater.

    The only thing I can think of is that, perhaps, his sergeant or lieutenant was observing him at the time, and we didn't notice...?

    Keep the peace(es).

    --

    Bruce Lane, KC7GR,

    Blue Feather Technologies

  11. Re:Joint account by jfruhlinger · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm often the person who's in charge of dealing with irritating, faceless corporations over the phone in our family, but quite a few of our accounts with said corporations are in my wife's name, and sometimes they refuse to deal with me because I'm obviously not her, even though I have access to all the information that she would (usually nothing more complicated than our account number and maybe her SS #). I wonder sometimes what would happen if I called claiming to be her, and talked in a ludicrous Monty Python-style falsetto -- or, better, if I just talked in my regular voice and got really offended if they gave me grief about it.

    I also met a woman named "Joshua" once. I wonder if she gets hassled by people who don't believe she is who she is.

  12. Re:Nom nom nom by geekoid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Jokes are funny."
    Ironically, jokes don't have to be funny to be a joke, it just helps.

    You on the other hand need to buy a life, and you might want to pick up a side of sense of humor with the change.

    "it is not funny because they are using technical terms in an incorrect way that detracts from their intention."

    There are many comics that do that with their humor, you might even want to say that it's the unexpected use of definition that makes it fucking funny, dumbass.

    I'm sorry, that was harsh~

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    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  13. Fake Camera by daveywest · · Score: 5, Interesting
    My wife manages an apartment complex. She was having problems with messes left in the laundry room. We installed a fake camera with a flashing led light.

    The office had a second door with a peep hole into the laundry. To give the camera an air of legitimacy, she sat in the office one night and made a note of everyone who came into the laundry. When they came in to pay their rent the next week, she mentioned that she saw them doing their laundry on the "tape" and asked about a fictitious mess that was left.

    She managed to do this to a couple of the complex gossips, and never had a problem in there again.

  14. NJ Army National Guard by charlie763 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was an intelligence analyst in the NJ Army National Guard until my contract ended in 2006.

    We were deployed twice to protect Port Authority facilities around NY and NJ. On both deployment we had our weapons M16A2s or pistols. On our second deployment we were not given ammunition. Yes, we were walking around in uniforms holding empty rifles.

    The best we could do is radio the Port Authority Police or possible club someone trying to steal our weapons. Our combat effectiveness was slightly above that of Nerf.

    --
    Welcome to the land of the free...pay toll ahead...no photography...please open your bag...
    1. Re:NJ Army National Guard by Herkum01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Remind me of a friends story while in China. His friend, who was Chinese, was driving down this shortcut and in front of him was the very professional, and heavily armed Chinese soldier standing in the way. He decided to just drive around him and my friend started to freak out and asked him, "what the hell was he doing, he could have gotten them killed!" His friends reply was, 'oh they don't give them any bullets!"

    2. Re:NJ Army National Guard by instarx · · Score: 2, Interesting

      National Guard troops posted in Grand Central Terminal and Penn Station to provide security. What a joke. They are clearly untrained for transportation hub security duties. If they had to fire their weapons they would kill more civilians than terrorists. They stand around in groups of four or five (grenade fodder). They try to pick up girls. They window shop. Their weapons are unsuitable for indoor fire fights. Contrast this with professional securty guards at airports and train stations in Europe. They travel in pairs, always moving. They do NOT try to pick up girls. Their weapons (SMGs not assault rifles) are slung across their chests and always held in a ready position. They are always observing and evaluating. They are clearly the real thing, not theater like in the US.

      I could forgive this lack of training in US security immediately after 9/11, but it has now been seven years and they still aren't trained. I blame the NG commanders who are clearly incompetent and don't think it's important to get real and appropriate training for their men, and I also blame Homeland Security who are trying to do security on the cheap by not establishing a professional and highly trained security force. Farce.

  15. Email Confidentiality Notices by wmpp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    These things have bugged me for a long time. I mean, have they ever really been tested in court? The last time I checked, I couldn't find anything apart from "experts" recommending their use.

    If I put a confidentiality notice on a postcard, is there a reasonable expectation of privacy?

  16. Re:Frist Posty? by seededfury · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I just got back from TRAFFIC court.... I had to go through security very similar to the airport so I could walk up to a window which was 15 feet from the front door. I walked through the front door, five feet later I was being scanned, searched and forced to return to my car because my 1 inch pocket knife was a threat, then when I got past that crap I had to stand in line and wait to talk to someone behind a window. I saw no rational reason for any of this...

    Traffic court is now very "secure"

  17. Airport Security & Mystery Liquids by Uhlek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Not having flown a commercial airliner recently, I'd completely forgotten about the liquid/aerosol rule and decided to carry my luggage onboard. After standing in line for awhile, I noticed the signs and remembered. Crap! I had my mouthwash, an aerosol can of deodorant, and my aerosol shaving cream with me. Given the length the line had grown to, I decided to just forgo those items than risk being late.

    A bit about those three items. Both the shaving cream and deodorant were in aerosol cans, both larger than the size allowed, but obviously retail items. The mouthwash was too large as well, and was a generic amber bottle, about 14 or so ounces, with a prescription sticker (I have gingivitis).

    I pull all three items out, and just tell the TSA guy that I know I need to toss them. He glances at all three and tells me I have to ditch the deodorant and the shaving cream, but I can keep the mouthwash.

    Because it's prescription.

    So, the two retail aerosol cans that are nearly impossible to inject anything into are verboten, but the amber bottle with the mystery liquid in it, that's okay, because it has a sticker with a Walgreens logo on it. Fan-fucking-tastic.

  18. Re:The Iraq theater by dolphino · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I was discharged from service in 1998, medically, from wounds received during "peacetime" counter-terrorist activities. I continued working with the government, but this time without a sidearm.

    Nice comeback, but please try harder next time!

  19. Re:The Iraq theater by Duradin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apparently all the ones that changed their minds were on the planes.

    I don't see wave after wave of people trying to storm our beaches, rape our infidel women or blow up idolatrous symbols of capitalistic greed over here.

    The only reason "they" are relevant any more is that "they" are today's Commie Pinko Red Bastards.
    "They" are a useful scare tactic, and that's it. I might care once they start killing more people over here than amount that die to three wheeled volkswagen eurkel-mobile collisions.

  20. Re:Oh Sure by bledri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, you can't start with "everybody knows that..." you have to have a substantiated set of analysis to back up your claims.

    Actually, studies do show a definite increase in suicide with gun ownership (seems obvious). Some studies have found the likelihood of being murdered also increases. I'm not aware of any studies that indicate owning a gun in the US actually improves ones safety, but I don't really care enough to do that much research.

    Citations:
    The association between the purchase of a handgun and homicide or suicide.
    Does Owning a Firearm Increase or Decrease the Risk of Death?

    Owning a gun doesn't change the likelihood of a home invasion. It does change the likelihood of mistaking oneself for Jack Bauer while the sad truth is that most of us are more akin to Gomer Pile.

    --
    Some privacy policy Slashdot.
  21. Most everything done since the 9/11 attacks. by mtc0420 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Patriot Act, DHS, color coded security threat levels, etc.

  22. FAA pilot on the do not fly list. by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For the longest time, I was on the "do not fly" list. I never knew why, but my name is very common. Turns out somebody used an alias the same as my name in the Bahamas to commit international wire fraud - I found this out when it took 6 hours to open a $100 bank account. It wasn't identity theft - just coincidence.

    So here I am, not only taking my shoes off, but also being escorted to the back room for the "enhanced" security check every time I fly on an airliner. The only problem is that I'm an FAA-licensed pilot, and have all the clearance to enter just about any area of the airport! (once I get past the extended searchdown, that is)

    What a joke...

    --
    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
    1. Re:FAA pilot on the do not fly list. by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you notice, I was talking about when flying "commercial airliners", which should have been a clue to my attire. But I'm a private pilot, I don't fly for a job, and never wear a "pilot outfit", even when I'm flying "left seat".

      I have no problem identifying myself with my FAA pilot's license, and even tried to show that to security once. If anything, it annoyed the guard and I got a more thorough checkout! (WTF?)

      What's odd is that I could go across the street from the commercial terminal to the General Aviation terminal AT THE SAME !@## AIRPORT and identify myself with my state driving license and pilot license, and then DRIVE MY VAN OUT ON THE TARMAC to load up my plane!

      All after identifying myself, that is, which I'd much rather do than watch some condescending guard pull on yet another pair of blue surgical gloves. (Seriously, why do they wear these things? It's not like they give me a rectal exam...)

      Seriously, when you fly private, it's a whole different ball of wax...

      --
      I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  23. TSA of course... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I fly every week as part of my job. One trip I left a large tactical folder (big scary knife with serrated edges) in my backpack and had forgotten about it. I made it through security screening to my destination and back without it getting detected (For those who can't figure it out, I was on the plane with a knife). While waiting for the plane, I opened my bag to get something and noticed the huge knife. I was shocked. After a few minutes of contemplating and looking at my bag contents, I realized how they missed it. I flew 6 more trips without it being caught. Finally one screener noticed something and had three other people come look at it. Nobody could identify the knife so they ended up searching the bag. The guy searching the bag almost missed it also. Sad. I won't say how I did it, but I feel pretty confident that with a few other mules to carry dissemble parts, I could get a gun or something on a plane pretty easy. I told the TSA supervisor exactly how I did it, he didn't seem interested at all and acted like I was wasting his time. Very sad...

  24. Re:Exteneded Validation Certificates by GoRK · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's funny you mention this; you know they used to do this -- Back in 1997/1998 the only way to get an SSL certificate for a webserver was to submit to pretty thorough vetting of your personal or business identity. I remember having to jump through hoops for this the first time I got an SSL certificate.

    Now that you can get an SSL cert set up inside of 10 minutes that means absolutely nothing (You can even get one for free), they had to create the stupid EV system to go back and make sure that there would be an easy way for the end users to tell the difference. You know what is funny though? The vendors examine you less when getting an EV certificate now than they did to get an SSL certificate 10 years ago.

  25. Re:Disneyland by pjt33 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Three years ago I spent a few months in Ecuador and brought home some 21-inch machetes as gifts for my brothers. I arrived back in the UK on the 7th July 2005, the same day that some bombs went off in the London Underground.

    A week or two later I went down to visit my parents by train, passing through London. One of my brothers was also going to visit them, so we arranged to meet on the train. I took a train in to London, arriving in the early afternoon, took the Tube to Victoria, and boarded the train to my parents' town.

    Chatting to my brother, I discovered that he'd had his bag searched by police when he got on the Tube that morning, and they'd found a 2-inch penknife he'd forgotten he was carrying and told him off. I hadn't passed through any checkpoint with the machetes, though, because they wrapped up at noon.

  26. Re:Shortly after 9/11 by Tycho · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Back in 2005, I bought, which at the time, was a high-end Acer laptop. Less than a month later I took the laptop with me on a vacation, where I flew to Missoula, Montana from Minneapolis - St. Paul International Airport. The MSP airport is also Idaho Senator Larry Craig's favorite layover destination. So after arriving at the airport on the day of the flight, I got in the line for the security screening and I did not remove the laptop from the bag, which was bad of me. I overheard one of the security screeners state to another screener that he had observed the laptop during the scanning and then my bag was flagged. Another screener took my bag, called me over and asked me to open my bag and asked me to turn on my laptop. Things seemed to go well at first, I turned the computer on and proved that it worked. As the computer was booting up, the TSA screener wiped a disposable microfiber cloth on parts of the exterior of the laptop. However, the screener had some sort of spectrometer. The screener put the cloth into this spectrometer. Something was wrong with the results and the screeneer started to wipe down the inside and outside of my backpack with additional cloths. The trace chemical results from the backpack were similar to the initial results from the laptop. The spectrometer results showed trace amounts of the explosive TNT. The screener asked me if I gone hunting with that bag, which I had not done. However, three years earlier I had been to Montana for a field camp class for my Geology degree and put several rocks in the backpack. Some of the rocks apparently had a residual amount of TNT left on them, after being blasted, and the TNT was transfered onto the surfaces of the backpack. The screener was satisfied with this explanation and allowed me to go and catch my flight.

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  27. Re:CORRELATION DOES NOT EQUAL CAUSATION by bledri · · Score: 2, Interesting

    (I personally find it hard to believe that someone would kill you simply because you owned a gun, but I digress...)

    I think the scenario is that some burglar breaks in to steal your goodies, you try to be Rambo and it turns out he's a better shot. Another possibility is the lover's quarrel that escalates to murder in the heat of the moment. Or if you have a concealed weapon in our purse and it gets snatched, you just armed the thief. Come on, I'm sure you can think a few ways that having a gun could backfire, so to speak.

    Simply pointing to the correlation between gun ownership and suicide or the likelihood of being murdered as arguments against gun ownership are rather weak and generally an intellectually dishonest tactic to imply conclusions that don't actually fit the data.

    Who said I was against gun ownership? I was amused by the call for a citation that didn't include one, so I Googled a couple. I should have said "some studies show," although I did try to make my lack of expertise clear. I don't really care if people own guns, and as a matter of fact I support the 2nd amendment given the current reality. But I think it is just as dishonest to assume that guns are an equally good idea for all households. If you live in a low crime area, have children, etc. it's is perfectly possible that you are safer not to have a loaded gun lying around. And if it's not loaded and easily accessible it loses a lot of the home protection value.

    You are right about correlation and causation, but when making decisions you've got to start somewhere.

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  28. Disney World by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hehe. One of the incidents that prompted me to ask this question was my own experience at Disney World two weeks ago.

    The friendly security guard carefully looked through my backpack, even making me pull the cover off my camera to check that it wasn't dangerous, and then passed us on in. So the only thing the guard was keeping out was weapons in bags. Weapons carried on the body sail right in.

    As someone who frequently (and legally) carries a gun hidden on my body, the situation just made me shake my head.

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  29. Re:The Iraq theater by Gordonjcp · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There were, in fact, people in the Middle East who really dislike America

    And if there were American troops marching through Glasgow, I'd be shooting at them too. Learn to leave when you've outstayed your welcome.

  30. Box cutters in the airport by Dr.+Cody · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have any of you heard what happens if you get caught with a box cutter in an airport? Well, I'll tell you. I accidentally left some tools in the side-pockets of my backpack after a camping trip. One of them was a honest-to-God Sears box cutter. Not any of that dayglo plastic crap--this thing could bludgeon as well as it could cut.

    So, I'm at the airport, ready to board an international flight with that same backpack. To their credit, the security checkpoint found the thing, but what do you think they did? Nothing! No taking down names and numbers, no "Why don't you have a seat over there?"--nothing. They just threw it in a big red bucket with, among other things, at least two other bright orange box cutters.

    Now, seeing as how I was just trying to get to Frankfurt in one piece and that it was an honest mistake, they did the right thing. But what other than "security theater" can you call it if you've set up the infrastructure to catch box cutter-wielding hijackers (whether that's a threat or not), and you just let folks on after anonymously checking their cutlery.

  31. Re:Fingerprint scanners by Lehk228 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    some will work if you blow on the glass.

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  32. Re:Oh Sure by databeast · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sorry, stats any my own experience prove you wrong.

    1) Havent killed myself with my own gun yet.
    2) Have successfully run out someone breaking into my apartment with that useless gun of mine (did not shoot him, I dont shoot people in the back when they are running away from me)
    3) have had two similar experiences out on the street, where (thanks to my concealed carry license) a quick disclosure than I was prepared and equipped to respond with lethal force made the situation very nonviolent very fast once they realized I was not a tourist (I'm a british citizen living in the US).

    Oh, and I work as an infosec consultant, so sorry, but your little hoplophobic insertion into the commentstream falls very flat here.

    NEXT!

  33. Re:The Iraq theater by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I think that body armor counts as security theater. We make our soldiers wear the body armor that protects the core of their body, but not their hand, feet or face.

    So instead of dying we have at least another 6,000 people with both arms and both legs blown off, blinded and deaf. Their heads horribly burned. It is the worst living hell you can imagine.

    Just so that the politicians can say that only 6,000 American soldiers have died.

  34. Re:WOD == price support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The reverse can also be true though, lets look at a pack of smokes.

    Just over half the price of a pack of smokes is government taxes of some sort or another, they make gobs of cash from your addiction.

    While basic economics tells us that outlawing something only makes a black market for it, the add on to that would be 'legalizing something lets you tax it'.

    While we piss billions down the drain that is the war on drugs we also create a multi billion dollar multi-national black market and organized crime to go with it, with all the subsequent violence that goes with criminal groups fighting each other. Making drugs illegal gives drug dealers an incentive to operate, theres profit in selling drugs, A LOT of profit. Doubly so since theres no pesky regulatory boards you have to keep happy. FDA approval means shit to a drug lord.

    So we spend billions trying to stop them, while drug lords make billions, and the much touted war on drugs never nabs anybody really important.

    If it was all legalized and regulated (driving drunk is a crime, so to would driving high be, obviously) we'd cut the knees out from under organized crime, and see violent, drug related crimes vanish.

    Of coruse that would actually accomplish something useful, and we cant have that because then you lose political leverage, alas.

  35. Re:WOD == price support by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's also to provide a purpose for government agencies that would have otherwise become obsolete when prohibition ended. Government always expands, never contracts. If you create an agency to keep people from getting illegal substances, they'll make substances illegal just to give that agency something to do.

  36. High School Parking Lot by WatersOfOblivion · · Score: 3, Interesting

    At the local High School, here in rural south Georgia where just about everybody has a pickup that could scale Mt. Everest without so much as breaking a sweat, the parking lot is in the middle of a field whose elevation change can be measured in microns. Just an island of asphalt with a sea of grass lapping at its black beaches. There one two-lane asphalt road leading up to the parking lot, similarly drenched in fields.

    There is no seawall, no fence, no border of any sort. Except where the road meets the lot, however. Here there is a small aluminum swinging gate which is faithfully unlocked and opened half an hour before school starts and ends, and locked back half an hour before school starts and after school ends.

    It is there, of course, to keep students from skipping class by driving off campus...

  37. Re:The blinking red light by abandonment · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you seriously think that a car alarm would deter anyone from stealing or damaging your car then you are not being 'devalued', you are deluded.

    All anyone I know thinks when they hear a car alarm is thoughts of destruction imposed on the owner of said car. Hell most people would be GLAD to have the car stolen so that it would go away and shut the fuck up.

    There's a reason cities are starting to ban car alarms - they are just annoying and serve little to no useful purpose whatsoever.

  38. Re:Fingerprint scanners by Saint+Fnordius · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The most recent example of this was when the German Chaos Computer Club published the fingerprints of Wolfgang Schäuble, Germany's Innenminister (sort of like the UK home secretary or the USA's DHS head). They even distributed it as a film with their magazine, since there is no law against publishing fingerprints.

    This English-language article at Heise Online gives all of the gory details...

  39. Re:Frist Posty? by xenobyte · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nope.

    Airports are pure Security Theater. The checks are far from perfect but all the hassle and the absurd details (shoes in the carry-on scanner, the stupid small liquid bottles etc.) make for a great show. They really doesn't do much but it's cumbersome and annoying so it must be really efficient...

    The facts are that you can make bomb that can down a jetliner with less than 200ml of liquid, you can hijack a jetliner (then kill the pilots and fly the plane into a building or two) using materials that would not show up on any of the current scans.

    If you work at an airport you can place as many big bombs in the cargo hold as you like because the security is all shell and no depth, and the shell has holes... the background checks are shallow (journalists with simple fake identities have been able to get jobs at airports with full access to otherwise secured areas) and does not take into account neither 'sleeper agents' nor sudden radicalization post check.

    So yes, airports are one of the worst cases of Security Theater.

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  40. Re:The blinking red light by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The best deterrent is to drive a used car with no real resale value and park next to expensive cars.

  41. Re:Frist Posty? by jurik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually the liquid prohibition in airports do serve a purpose. It is the perfect customs barrier.

    You cannot buy any local beverages and take with you because they will most likely break due to the low temperatures in the luggage compartment if you put it in the checked in luggage, and if you put it in the hand luggage security will throw it away.

    This means that if people want to take liquor etc. home they will have to buy it at the last connecting airport thus increasing revenue. Also all airports on the way (plus airlines that sell beverages on board) will recieve extra income from water sales etc.

    So instead of buying a cheap and good champagne locally in France for instance, you are forced to buy an expensive non-local champagne in the airport.

    And the really cool twist: We are doing it for security, so you - the traveller - must pay for all the security checks through your ticket and airport tax costs!