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Prism Glass Windows Making a Comeback

Steve Daley writes "Prism window glass like Luxfer was big back in the 19th century, but now it seems to be making a high-tech comeback in Japan, where several companies are commercializing similar technology that gets enough natural light into factories and offices to do away with electric lighting. It's easy on the pocket and the planet."

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  1. Neat, it is very much like... by clonan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Window!

    1. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by synthparadox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes if windows could be a glass dome on the roof that captured light and distributed it to many rooms on many floors separated by a novel invention, walls --or even better, ceilings.

    2. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Except windows can create odd, non-uniform lighting situations in rooms with irregular geoemetries or furnature which my obscure the window from potions of the room. This setup is more like a skylight coming from the wall.

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    3. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It really looks like a light tube with a fancy projector on the end.

      Actually, it does sound like the new thing is that projector at the end of the light tube, which creates a natural window appearance on an interior wall.

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    4. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by peacefinder · · Score: 4, Informative

      The article appears to describe two different products, a "light tube" similar to a Solatube and also a prism-glass window. I believe it's the prism window pictured.

      It's a good idea, and a pity that it's so expensive. Hopefully the cost will come down again in time.

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    5. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by srmalloy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's a good idea, and a pity that it's so expensive. Hopefully the cost will come down again in time. The article also doesn't mention whether this is the cost to install such a system during construction, or to retrofit it to an existing building. I expect that costs to pipe light into the interior of multi-story buildings will be significantly higher because of the difficulties in installing light pipes down through several floors of existing office space, while planning for such pipes in an architectural job would lower the cost.
    6. Re:Neat, it is very much like... by sjames · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually, I have seen studies showing that varying light levels through the day can enhance productivity. The fiber optic piped sunlight will come from controlled points in the room, so glare on monitors will be no worse than with overhead fluorescent lights.

      The other questions remain to be answered. The probable answer is that it makes sense sometimes.

  2. Bonus by steveo777 · · Score: 4, Funny

    This should cut back significantly on the amount of vampire activity in dark, corporate areas.

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    1. Re:Bonus by Kingrames · · Score: 2, Insightful

      During the day, at least.

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  3. Re:Slightly better than a window, for 10x the pric by moderatorrater · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a lot of advantages of natural light over fluorescent in terms of productivity and employee satisfaction. I don't know if you're talking $10,000 worth of advantage, but it is a factor.

  4. Re:Slightly better than a window, for 10x the pric by chinakow · · Score: 3, Informative

    Lucky for us companies tend to want to have the lights on all the time so it is not a big deal. also, HP shut off half the lights in one if its call centers for 8 hours during the dead of night to saver money. The result, multiple thousand dollar savings PER MONTH. So $5k will pay off quickly in the summer for companies using these.

  5. Re:Slightly better than a window, for 10x the pric by chinakow · · Score: 2, Informative

    Preview is a good thing. It would have saved me from all those spelling errors if I hadn't been in such a hurry.

  6. Wow! by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you a world first! A Slashdot post that praises windows!

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  7. The dollar is weak and the quality is different. by arete · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a fair comparison if the quality of the light is important to you.

    The light is way better than an el cheapo flourescent, especially if color matters to you at all. Or if spraying mercury in the room when the bulb breaks does. So plenty of people might be willing to take the penalty.

    Obviously that depends somewhat on how sunny your locale is, though.

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  8. 150 year old house by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Gee... I knew I loved this old house for some reason :) lots of glass windows and tall ceilings. No Luxfer prisms, but lots of stained glass and multiple large windows per room. Effectively we use almost no artificial light during daylight hours (except in the kitchen - tacked onto the house in 1910 or so). Similarly, we don't need air conditioning well into late June here in Illinois due to the way the house was built (and creative use of basement and attic doors).

    1. Re:150 year old house by cowscows · · Score: 4, Informative

      I design buildings for a living, and am involved in a lot of projects that consider sustainable design important. One of the most interesting things about sustainable design as it's evolving right now is how many of its basic principles are really just rediscovering all the techniques that were used for hundreds (or even thousands) of years before air conditioning was invented. Old houses have plenty to teach us.

      One of the best ways to design a house for natural lighting is to pretend that youo won't have any artificial lighting. It's a limitation that architects spend centuries finding solutions to. There are plenty of good answers out there. New technology and new materials are helping to create new answers, but it doesn't have to be anything crazy or even innovative. The same thing goes with heating/cooling strategies, there's a bazillion little design "tricks of the trade" that are incredibly straight-forward and easy. You don't need state-of-the-art materials, you don't need computer design tools, you don't need to be a highly educated architect. People were finding solutions to these problems hundreds of years ago when all they had to build out of was mud bricks.

      The important part is how we can use technology to augment those techniques (things like low-e glass), or how we integrate those techniques with newer technologies (A/C, solar panels, etc.)

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  9. Not a chance. by DRAGONWEEZEL · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where I work, those effing Vampires would just use SPF 50 and make some lowpaid grunt bring the 55 gallon drum of it up the stairs to their office.

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  10. Re:Too expensive for home use by trongey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Too expensive for my house, and apparently yours, but if you go to a high end design store you can find faucets that cost that much. Some people will pay a LOT of money for stuff to go in their houses.

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  11. Unintentional benefit... by argent · · Score: 2, Funny

    How do you keep the concentrated beam of light from starting a fire?

    Aim it at someone in Sales?

  12. Re:Yeah right this will save money by Evets · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Natural lighting typically produces significantly less heat than electrical lighting, so you generally see a reduction in electricity costs related to air conditioning as well as for lighting (in commercial facilities where there is a lot of electrical lighting, these costs are measurable). I don't know about heating costs increasing in the winter time - but I would imagine the same phenomina is reversed.

    http://natures-lighting.com/products.php?pid=2100

    I imagine there's no way around the need for augmented lighting during the dark times, but having a central distribution point for lighting leaves your options pretty open. You could have one high powered central light source to shine directly at your collection point - and you could charge that light via solar power and augment it with good old fashioned coal. Alternatively, you could wire up each room for direct lighting, but that sort of defeats the purpose.

  13. Cool, but hardly new by H0p313ss · · Score: 2, Funny

    A big deal was made of the natural lighting system at the National Gallery of Canada in Ottawa when it was built 20 years ago. There's a NY Times article:

    The light tumbles in from light monitors lined with Mylar, so it reflects as it bounces down into the gallery, and it is exquisite and constantly changing.

    I don't exactly spend my free time hanging out there, but if I was to choose a gallery to hang out in, this would be it.

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  14. This has been around for years by marcus · · Score: 3, Informative



    http://www.solatube.com/

    So has the prism glass.

    Nothing new here, move along...

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    1. Re:This has been around for years by Garridan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nothing new here, move along... ... hence the title: "Prism Glass Windows Making a Comeback"
  15. Very Similar to Sun Tunnels.. by puppetman · · Score: 2, Informative


    Sun tunnels pipe light in from the roof of a house to the interior ceiling.

    They've been around for years, and look more practical than these things. At $229 for a 14" tunnel, and $329 for a 22" tunnel, they look a lot cheaper. There are many manufacturers, as well.

  16. The hell with the Windows... by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...I want a quality date in Japan!

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  17. Daylight is specifically good... by MsGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...for patients in hospitals. When the City of Hope had their new hospital, the Helford Clinical Research Hospital, designed, one of the goals was to maximize the amount of natural light in the hospital. Lots of windows, skylights, and lobbies on all floors that are almost half glass and show a spectacular view of the Sierra Madre mountains. The result is something less clinical and alien, and something more like a hotel instead of a hospital.

    I would think that heating and cooling a hospital with that huge amount of glass would be a difficult thing to do, and certainly not the most energy efficient. But the decision was made, and certainly the patients, doctors and nurses feel the difference. If a more energy efficient way can be found to bring daylight into the design of a hospital, that would be so much better.

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  18. I want a screen filter like that by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 2, Funny

    Having a prism screen filter would allow me to better fill my basement with the soft green glow of Slashdot. 70% on the ceiling, 20% on the floor. The remaining 10% will hit my face in a vain attempt to color my pale complexion.