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FCC Pitches Free, Bowdlerized Wireless Internet Access

Aidtopia writes "FCC Chairman Kevin Martin is proposing auctioning off an unused part of the 25 MHz spectrum on the condition that the winner provide free wireless Internet access. The proposal sets coverage targets that ramp up to 95% of the population within 10 years. The catch: the provider must filter out obscene content." I wonder what definition of "obscene" the FCC would like to use.

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  1. Obscene is easy, its called fun by poetmatt · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Add anything that is not "politically correct", and it'll be filtered.

    Thus, about 99% of all media.

    1. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by ePhil_One · · Score: 3, Funny
      I'll provide free internet and filter out everything that's not clear text and matching a library of 10 "known not obscene" words.

      Only way to be sure

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    2. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by Wandering+Wombat · · Score: 4, Funny

      Admiral Jesus says "All aboard the Censor-Ship!"

      Aaaaaaaaaand, cue Peter Griffin's 'Freakin FCC' song!

      They will clean up all your talking in a menace such as this
      They will make you take a tinkle when you want to take a p*ss
      And they'll make you call fellatio a trouser-friendly kiss
      It's the plain situation!
      There's no negiotiation!
      With the fellows at the freakin FCC!

      They're as stuffy as the stuffiest of the special interest groups...
      Make a joke about your bowels and they order in the troops
      Any baby with a brain could tell them everybody poops!
      Take a tip, take a lesson!
      You'll never win by messin'
      With the fellas at the freakin' FCC

      And if you find yourself with some you sexy thing
      You're gonna have to do her with your ding-a-ling
      Cause you can't say penis!

      So they sent this little warning they're prepared to do the worst
      And they stuck it in your mailbox hoping you could be co-erced
      I can think of quite another place they should have stuck it first!

      They may just be neurotic
      Or possible psychotic
      They're the fellas at the freakin FCC!

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    3. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Add anything that is not "politically correct", and it'll be filtered.

      1. Encryption is mandatory over such a network

      At 25 Mhz with a bandwidth of, what? 1 Mhz throughput will be 1 megabit per second shared with hundreds of users. Free wifi in the gigahertz range is already a joke. This system won't have the throughput for (decent) porn, encrypted or not.
    4. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by nbert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The FCC are talking about providing free, nationwide wireless internet.. Damn them to hell!
      Let's assume China would do the same thing - imagine the outrage. First of all it's hard for competitors to deal with a free service - there is no reason to invest in infrastructure if some part of government is providing the service free of charge. This will hurt in the long run. Secondly it's the gateway to censorship per se. The first step is to allow people to access restricted content for free, which will drive many people away from neutral ISP's. The next step is to make blacklists mandatory for all. In the end the majority will accept those measures and a few people will use proxies to circumvent it (sounds like China, doesn't it?).

      Slashdot users in general, it seems, cannot distinguish between creator and creation. Bad things are created by bad producers, who will only ever produce bad things. Good things are created by good producers, who will only ever produce good things.
      Huh? Maybe I'm not the average reader or I don't understand it because I am. I'm totally unfamiliar with the creator - creation and bad producers - good producers reasoning.
    5. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The government's not providing it, they're selling the spectrum to someone who has to offer free internet on it. Who the heck would agree to that offer? Yes I will pay you money to be forced to offer free services. What?

    6. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by gyrogeerloose · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashdot needs a say what? mod option.

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    7. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by Cairnarvon · · Score: 5, Funny

      I like how you self-censored "piss" in a song about how bad censoring obscenity is.

    8. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by x69 · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not at the 25 MHz frequency.. It's a 25MHz wide channel in the 2.x GHz frequency.. The /. article was misleading..

      It would be almost useless due to noise at 25 MHz frequency..

      -G

    9. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by redhog · · Score: 4, Funny

      New RFC: Ip-over-ten-allowed-words:

      Only the first eight words are used, the last two are used as out-of-bound signaling.

      Data is sent three bits at a time, each bit-pattern denoted by one of the remaining eight words as described in the table below:

      000 word1
      001 word2
      010 word3
      011 word4
      100 word5
      101 word6
      110 word7
      111 word8

      As long as there are any bits flowing, _any_ bit can be transmitted.

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    10. Re:Obscene is easy, its called fun by mrchaotica · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fuck you, fascist! It's people like you who are letting this country become totalitarian, because of your sheer fucking stupidity. Let me ask you one question, and let's see if it enlightens you: who gets to decide which speech is obscene, and which is protected?

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  2. eww by norkakn · · Score: 3, Informative

    Fuck that.

  3. Fixed by Bovius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    s/obscene/dissenting/g

    1. Re:Fixed by jejones · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure. "s/obscene/dissenting/g" means "everywhere you see 'obscene', substitute 'dissenting'". It's the syntax of the Unix ed text editor; see this page for details.

  4. Possible power grab? by seifried · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this is a less than subtle way of the FCC executing a power grab, first establish censoring on a free network, then start moving it to the current networks (although this would not be needed if the enough people use this as their "last mile", you just look at their traffic there).

    1. Re:Possible power grab? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It was probably done at the behest of Big Networking, so that whenever people get uppity about the fact that the companies are not exactly dumping a whole lot of capital into improving and/or extending their services, they can point to this and say "just use that!", safe in the knowledge that nobody will want to use a slow, ad-filled, censored internet connection.

    2. Re:Possible power grab? by moderatorrater · · Score: 3, Funny

      They licensed Fox, does that count?

      note: regular Fox, not Fox News.

  5. Definition of "obscene" by Teun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder what definition of "obscene" the FCC would like to use. Tell me who'll be in The White House and I'll give you an answer.
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  6. Obscenity has a clear meaning by Phanatic1a · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wonder what definition of "obscene" the FCC would like to use.

    In the US, 'obscene' has a clear legal meaning: material that meets the three-pronged (I said 'prong,' huhuuhuh) test established in Miller v. California:

    1. 'the average person, applying contemporary community standards' would find that the work, taken as a whole, appeals to the prurient interest
    2. the work depicts or describes, in a patently offensive way, sexual conduct specifically defined by the applicable state law
    3. the work, taken as a whole, lacks serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value.

    Such material isn't protected speech. I think it should be, but there you go: it's hardly surprising that the FCC doesn't want it on a freely-accessible broadcast network. It's an infinitely more reasonable position for them to take than if they were demanding that providers filter "indecent" material, which is a) protected speech and b) has no strict legal definition.

    1. Re:Obscenity has a clear meaning by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know you are trying to be funny or whatever but even if you don't think the Bible contains a single fact, the fact remains it is a book of stories. More then that they are some of the oldest stories we might consider part of modern Western Civilization. They more or less lay out what society is as we understand it today. Christian or otherwise to sugest the Bible does not represent artistic, political, and scientific value(even if only the social and political science aspects are verifable) makes you appear pretty stupid.

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    2. Re:Obscenity has a clear meaning by 680x0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Never did anybody other than retarded atheists with nothing else to do claim that christians or jews say the earth is 6000 years old.
      Tell that to Archbishop Ussher who, based on following begats and ages listed in Genesis, and other Biblical and historical information, decided that the universe was created nightfall preceding Sunday October 23, 4004 BC, in the proleptic Julian calendar.
    3. Re:Obscenity has a clear meaning by pi_rules · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sex is obscene
      No, it's not.
      You're doing it wrong.
  7. Re:I wouldn't mind this! by fastest+fascist · · Score: 5, Funny

    High-temperature female displays well-hydrated feline! Amazing pseudoadults with brobdignagian dorsal features! Well-matched pairs engaging in close contact!

  8. Email the FCC! by TRAyres · · Score: 3, Informative

    On the FCC front page, there is a link to all the members of the board, and their emails.

    I say we email them.

    Lets turn the ./ effect upon our government, and see if maybe, just maybe, we can convince them not to make the same dumb ass mistakes they make every 30 years trying to censor new formats.

  9. No defense against ASCII Art! by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Funny

    I bet I can make a raunchy ASCII Art out of your 10 words. :)

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  10. Wrong Wrong Wrong by tweak13 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't the 25MHz spectrum, it's a 25MHz block of the 2.1GHz spectrum. Realizing that makes this story make a whole lot more sense. There's no possible way this would work in the HF range.

    1. Re:Wrong Wrong Wrong by Gavin+Scott · · Score: 3, Funny

      Darn, and here I was thinking that they'd finally found a way to clean up the CB band :)

      G.

  11. Re:50 kHz spectrum at 25 MHz? by jcgf · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree with your concern. If we assume an S/N ratio of 20db (about 3 S units on my HF rig or noise at S6 and signal at S9 which I consider a good copy) then Shannon-Hartley's theorem says that they will get at best 333kbps. I used the example calculation #1 at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theorem and just substituted 50kc for 4kc to get this.

    Anyone disagree?

  12. Re:50 kHz spectrum at 25 MHz? by Gat0r30y · · Score: 4, Informative

    Federal Communications Commission Chairman Kevin Martin scheduled a vote on rules for another major spectrum auction, one that would encompass 25 megahertz in the 2155-2180 MHz advanced wireless services band and require the winning bidder to offer free broadband service under an aggressive build-out schedule. The article linked above isn't nearly as good as this one on the details of what spectrum is actually on the block here
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  13. No need for a filter by Moop11 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Just route all content through china.

  14. Re:Obscene Defined by supersat · · Score: 3, Informative

    TV and radio are actually held to a higher standard for most of the day: they can't broadcast "indecent" material from 6 AM to 10 PM. In practice, most broadcasters choose not to broadcast "indecent" material at all, possibly for fear of a public outcry or advertisers backing out. Obscenity was defined by the Supreme Court in Miller v. California, and is a very tough threshold to meet. Lots of laws prohibit obscene speech, and I'm fairly certain there's a law that prohibits obscene speech from being transmitted on a licensed channel. The FCC is merely upholding the law.

  15. Re:Leave it to the Republicans by value_added · · Score: 3, Insightful

    to place restrictions on private industry

    I'd agree, but to be fair, the FCC is required to mandate "decency" standards on the public airwaves, so extending that mandate/philosophy to a proposed public wireless system sounds like a reasonable argument.

    The difficulty is that the internet, at least for the forseeable future, isn't at all similar to broadcast television or radio.

  16. The Cost Of Obscentity by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "I wonder what definition of "obscene" the FCC would like to use."

    Probably the one they already use to charge violators such as Howard Stern, as well as the violators' station of origin, up to US$250K per incident. I'm not sure where it is in their regs (which I do know are online) but I recall quite clearly the sign in the studio booth at WUVT that reminded me constantly of the sword hanging over me.

    What's always bothered me about the regs is the relaxation of the rules after 10 PM. When I was broadcasting, I had simultaneous netcast. After 10 PM where the station is (Blacksburg VA, eastern time) is only after 7 PM on the Left Coast (ie. pacific time). After 10 PM where? Was I simultaneously legal in Virginia but breaking the law in California?

    Apply that now to on-demand, statically stored material which may or may not be infringing depending on the material and time of request. It's always before 10 PM someplace, so the owner may be liable according to the location of the requester. You can bet this is the way things would fall, because the alternative is to say 'it's AFTER 10 PM someplace', making the regs moot and removing a potential source of enforcement as well as income.

    Oh yeah, and the context of the offending material matters. You can play hip hop and rap on air after 10 PM local and get away with broadcasting 2 "motherfuckers" and 5 "niggers" per minute, but try to say one of either yourself and see what it costs you. In the case of the latter, that may include body parts depending on your own color. The context of your reception can also matter, hence a "researcher" is supposed to be able to access an "obscene" web site for academic purposes without fear of reprisal. Yeah, right.

    Personally I prefer Larry Flint's editorialized definition of "obscene" which puts murder and such well before sex in terms of badness. If that were used, you'd never be able to access most commercial news outlets, or much common TV or theatrical material. So sad that killing is not just accepted but expected, and fucking is outlawed.

    OOPS, I think I just made it impossible for you to access this in the archives should the regulation of the proposed bandwidth go through. We'll see.

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  17. This is obscene by terrymr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here I believe obscene means having to pay for wireless spectrum that you're required to provide a free service on.

    Of course the FCC is still scratching its head over why they couldn't get anybody to bid on spectrum that was dedicated for public safety use.

    Anybody else think the FCC has lost the plot ?