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Microsoft Acknowledges Open Source As a Bigger Threat Than Google

ruphus13 takes us to ZDNet for an analysis of comments by Microsoft's Chief Software Architect, Ray Ozzie, about how open source is "much more potentially disruptive" to Microsoft's business strategy than Google. Ozzie also spoke about the future of Microsoft's search technology, which will develop with or without Yahoo. There is a related interview at OStatic with several Microsoft employees about how they view and interact with the open source community. The head of Microsoft's global open source and Linux team is quoted saying: "The other thing I think is missing is implementation of a basic principle of economic fairness. Thousands of developers have put very hard work into building software used by millions of people and companies, yet only a fraction of these developers are rewarded financially. Currently there are perfectly good projects that have been abandoned by their developers despite being used by large corporations. Subsequently the projects fall out of use. This is unnecessary waste that would often be prevented by making it easy for companies to pay the developers directly. I think it's important to solve this so that the sustainability of open source projects is improved."

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  1. Re:No all we need... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, maybe Google didn't do it, but someone released an OS bery, very similar to 'GoogleOS'. It even includes Google Apps.

  2. It's the law by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... Open source is killing them.

    Yes. Now that (effectively) no closed source player are left. Darwinian natural selection has left us the strongest, open source projects. Many precede MS attack on the Internet. Open source is now killing Microsoft. It's a one-two, knock-out. Even most of the yahoo bid was based on stock not cash, and even some of that which is actual cash looks like it would have to borrowed.

    Further, there's no market for MS, not even public-sector corporate welfare. See the mandates:

    • develop open source encryption tools
    • use encryption
    • provide training in encryption
    • closed source
    • develop and use open source
    • provide training in open source

    Source: A5-0264/2001

    For all new European projects:

    • open source is the preferred development platform
    • open source is the preferred deployment platform
    • support open, well-documented standards is required

    Source: European Commission technology strategy.

    So rather than listen to nerdy Bill, slobby Ballmer, or their media proxies whine, listen to others: go open source, open standards. You save work, you save time, you increase security and you recession-proof your company.

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  3. Re:False Dichotomy by citog · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, Google uses Open Source to power their business. Their business model i.e. Google the company is based on proprietary methods and solutions.

  4. Re:In Other Words.... by Gewalt · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...Google isn't distributing alternative OSes... Yes they are. Ever hear of a little thing called Android?
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  5. Re:FUD FUD FUD FUD. FUDDITY FUD. FUDDITY FUD. by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 5, Informative

    Companies have been "doing for themselves" for decades. They come to realize that something is a critical part of their business and they take ownership of it. They take on the ability or responsibility to maintain the system themselves.
    Therein lies the fundamental difference between open or paid source vs closed source. We have a number of issues with our > $100,000 accounting system that Microsoft simply refuses to fix. If we could buy the source and fix it ourselves, we would. If we could download the source and release patches, we would. Unfortunately, we bought a Microsoft product and to them the "There is a (painful) workaround, so we aren't going to fix it in this version" answer is good enough for _them_. Our opinion on the matter is quite irrelevant.

    -Ellie
  6. Re:No all we need... by Mad+Merlin · · Score: 3, Informative

    However, I think they also use Linux in their search appliances that they do sell. If they use Linux in those machines, don't they have to release the source code under the GPL?

    Yes, and they do.

  7. Re:MS fails to deliver by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Informative

    So it's now a bloated monstrosity that's impossible to manage and has recurrent security issues? 'As good as Apache' hasn't really been a selling point for a while. In features, it's on par. It feels faster running on the same hardware. I haven't seen any significant security issues for it yet, either.

    I've not used Exchange for a while, but perhaps you could let me know what it does that SOGo [opengroupware.org] doesn't? And if this really justifies the cost. Works well on Windows, without changing users' workflow. SOGo is not a drop-in replacement for Exchange, and for that alone it fails because Exchange is, whether you like it or not, the best bet at a shop using Windows desktops due to the easy integration.

    You could be right there. As I understand it, Sharepoint's key selling point is integration, which is typically something that the 'small tools doing one job well' model that is popular in the Free Software world does poorly on. Sharepoint does a lot of interesting things and does them considerably better than FOSS apps even where such are available (I haven't seen a FOSS alternative to Office Sharepoint Server, for example). Even the free WSS kit kicks a lot of ass in the plug-in-and-go department and is pretty awesome to use from a user standpoint.
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  8. Re:MS fails to deliver by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 2, Informative

    So nothing can ever complete with Exchange; that is the result of this arguement. If something comes down the pipe that can function as a drop-in replacement, I can see it getting used. Otherwise? Not likely. Exchange is excellent at what it does.
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  9. Utility v. Profitability: The Pace Car by thtrgremlin · · Score: 3, Informative

    Geez, so many issues to address. One thing at a time...

    Sure lots of F/OSS projects die for MANY reasons, and they may not may not be picked up by someone in the future, but compared to what? BeOS was a project many companies got invested in and that project died and CAN'T be picked up by anyone else. Microsoft has had many projects they bought, and then never further developed because it wasn't in their best financial interests. With proprietary software it has to be within the financial interests of the rights holder to develop the project further. In the F/OSS world ANYONE with the need, desire, and ability can improve on any project be it going strong or a decade abandoned.

    Much more importantly, can we agree at least that sometimes writing code takes a little more effort than sitting at the computer punching out your ideas? Sometimes it really takes the collaboration of great minds to develop great software. Google has the power to buy just about anyone it wants. I've heard they are about the only company that can buy developers away from Microsoft. The point is that some software, or even any invention, is only useful as something to sell. How many retail stores likely survive not because it they sell anything worth a darn, but has things that make "good" gifts? Look at the whole teddy bear and gift basket industry. Cards have a utilitarian value, but look at all the things that can only be sold around Christmas because the products are worthless to the buyer. Personally, I see a lot of this "economic development" suffering from the Broken Window Fallacy. I go into Fry's all the time and the walls are just lined with crapware with scare tactics to get people to buy them.

    So here is the contrast:
    There is no way to succeed financially from developing Linux crapware. OH NO! What ever will we do?!? Some business secrets need to be held closely, and at other times tools for doing business create competitiveness that drives your markets growth. As with any market, its growth can make or break any business.

    Take Avid Technology as an example: They sell sound equipment and software. Their advertising campaign tries to tell people about all the things they can do with their stuff. Mostly musicians. But what if all that was open source? A community of all kinds of artists could educate people on the many applications of sound equipment for home or industrial use. Their software? They have the industries best! What would they have to gain from open-sourcing their software? Well, Red Hat isn't doing too bad. Avid is already leading the industry and has a well respected name. Official support to clients and most timely updates. Up and rising artists/programmers could improve on the best software in the world! They also lead in fabricating specialized equipment... and this would be hurt how by expanding the market into an even larger community? Some will pay to have everything just work and delivered in a professional way, while others with less money will buy essential equipment and hack out the rest. Avid is ahead because it continues to hire the best in industry and researching its game. Are they done innovating and just surviving on being ahead of everyone else, or are they really leading the industry in strong ways that people will continue to respect?

    This reminds me of the Tortoise and the Hare. Slow and steady can win the race, but was there any reason why the Hare could not have had some kind of work ethic to win the race also? Microsoft is an old, blind, and senile rabbit that knows nothing better about how to win a race than laying bear traps, land mines, and talking smack about the tortoise. In any given race, the rabbit should be able to win with hard work. To relate more closely to F/OSS, F/OSS is a pace car that lets anyone jump into the race at any time. There are just two options, and they can be tough to pick from depending on what you want your software to do. Is your software the secret, or just something that helps your business that can be improved on? BSD/MIT and

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  10. Re:In Other Words.... by spitzak · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also they completely ignore the open source software that is produced as a paid-for job where the job is *not* to produce the open source software. If you patch the Linux kernel to get your job done, then you have contributed, yet you did exactly the same work you would have even if you had not added to open source.

    That is the obvious example, and probably tiny. What is HUGE (and I know personally having done exactly that) is libraries, typically LGPL, that are produced because they are needed for a commercial project, but are then released as open source, even if the commercial project is not.