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India Third to Appeal ISO's OOXML Approval
I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "India is now the third country to appeal the ISO's approval of OOXML, with their appeal arriving just before the deadline last night. According to PC World, this makes OOXML the first BRM process under ISO/JTC 1 to be appealed, which leaves us in uncharted territory. Although there was substantial confusion in the comments on yesterday's story, Brazil is really appealing, not merely disapproving, of OOXML, having sent a letter that begins with 'The Associação Brasileira de Normas Técnicas (ABNT), as a P member of ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC34, would like to present, to ISO/IEC/JTC1 and ISO/IEC/JTC1/SC34, this appeal for reconsideration of the ISO/IEC DIS 29500 final result.' Groklaw speculates that this may have something to do with Microsoft hedging their bets by supporting ODF 1.1 in Office 2007, though we probably won't see any more countries appeal now that the deadline has passed."
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I cant believe it... did i make first post and wasted it on that lameity?
AAAAARRRRRRRGHHHHH Open That Window Joe, Im out!
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Andy Updegrove says a fourth country may also have appealed.
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Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
If the approval was fast tracked, then the appeal should be too. Get that spec disqualified, FAST.
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Aren't they the ones that shake their heads when they mean no? Well there's yer problem.
In other words, it's not surprising there's so much confusion in the reporting, because so many crazy things are going on. We have no proof of a 4th beyond a maybe, and there might be technicalities upon which to disqualify some of these and... Oogh.
- I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property
It belongs to YRO topic in fact. Your rights online.
.NET subscription (oops crackers!) to read a frigging 2 page document can easily ignore them. ;)
They should put all ODF stories to YRO and people which will soon have to pirate/install/forced to buy Office 08 or Office 08
Mind bogling question: how the hell did you read mine?
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You will probably find that in the end that no weight is given to these appeals because they all come from second and third world countries. Not real countries like the G8 who know enough not to rub salt in Microsofts wounds by puting forward an appeal especially if they voted no in the first place.
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Top right corner, next to your name, select customize, select Raw-Uncut view or whatever it is. By the way have you noticed the glut of moderators with no sense of humour reading this thread? Come on guys!
You know I can understand the reason of why we want to do this. I can even understand why people want a neutral standard. BUT... You know this is so boring because it is not going to help me one ioata...
Yes, yes in the *future* all will better. And we will have solved world hunger, poverty and what have you...
Yes I am frustrated because I F****G wish they would make Open Office a REAL competitor to Office.
For example Calc in OO now has the ability to go beyond 256 columns... Wow, progress! NOT!
Maybe if OO became a REAL competitor Microsoft would think much harder about playing nice!
If you say, "hey you have the sources..." No, I want to pay for a Microsoft competitor!
"You can't make a race horse of a pig"
"No," said Samuel, "but you can make very fast pig"
This isn't about OOo versus MS Office. I don't mind paying for software. I just want to make sure that when I save a file, people can open it and read it, especially me a few years down the road. Microsoft's closed, proprietary formats keep changing (forcing unnecessary upgrades) and they drop support for old formats after a while.
I'm just some bum writer who wants to open my old files, but what about actual important documents? Right now PDF sadly is about the only way to go and feel safe the document can be read down the road.
If you're not happy with OOo's Calc, that is irrelevant to this discussion. Microsoft is going to provide support for ODF, and honestly that is enough to make me happy. I just wish they were supporting 1.2 right off the bat, instead of starting with 1.1.
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Microsoft sells student copies of MS Office dirt cheap. I've seen a few schools install OOo side-by-side with MS Office, and some invididual users make the switch, but until major companies cancel mass volume licensing of MS Office, I don't see MS breaking a sweat.
The fact that several large governments were talking about ditching MS Office (over open file standards) is what got MS to play ball. Now that they support ODF (and likely OOXML once they iron that out as well a bit) those government agencies are likely to stay with MS Office.
http://blindscribblings.com - Tasty pop-culture in conceptual fashion.
Anybody following the OOXML ISO approval process (or anybody who followed the Peter Quinn case) can see that msft is desperate and willing to go to any lengths to shove its bogus "standard" through the system.
BTW: ODF has nothing to do with openoffice. OpenOffice is an application, ODF is a document standard - like HTML or ASCII.
I use openoffice 2.4, it works for me, does all I need to do. Although I will admit, I considered every version of openoffice before 2.4 to be too slow.
mshaft, and romance those stones....
Besides, as a rising superpower, India should "stick it to da man" (mshaft) and say, "MShaft, get sofffft..." Get SMART, India! Go with OpenOffice.org, or join the AsiaNux groups (China, Japan, Korea...)
(And, NO, i am not going to see Indiana Jones...I'm tired of remakes/rehashes, and Get Smart remake is just another nail in the lid... Sick of the poor excuses/realities for lack of originality)
Previously: "Linux... Toward the Sunrise..." Now: "Linux... Toward the-- No, now, part of Every Sunrise"
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Why thank you!
On the other note: I have and completely agree...
Just to chitchat and get this ubermoderating gods ball rolling...
How about those Lakers huh?
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Once you start despising the jerks, you become one.
I'd love to believe this will make a difference, but I suspect the same bribing/stacking/manipulation MS used before will succeed again.
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Gary Dunn
Open Slate Project
Well run corporations don't do that. But corporations the size of Google or MS or IBM have a lot of money at their disposal, I don't believe that any of those 3 couldn't shit an obscene amount of money and still be in business.
Sure, it's a poor way of doing business, shitting money that is, but large corporations do it all the time on stupid stuff. I mean just look at IE and silverlight. You can't say either of those was ever particularly centered on profit. IE alone has probably cost MS billions in terms of extra exploit patching and anti-trust litigation. And even under ideal circumstances, it lacks a way of bringing in money.
Oh. You said banana peel in your subject line, which makes my reply rather lame. Like I stepped on it.
Gary Dunn
Open Slate Project
The purpose of all these off-topic posts so early in the thread is to reduce the number of points available for insightful or interesting comments.
Microsoft evangelists do not like open discussion of their failures. Use your points to upmod good comments, not downmod red herrings.
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I just wonder one thing that, why someone/ some countries can appeal to a standard once it is passed to be a standard? I thought once it is a standard then everyone must agree that it is a standard, no matter you agree with it/ vote for it.
congrats to you three. thats at least 3 mod points that werent used to mod down a relevant post that said mods disagreed with!
Since when is a promise to support ODF the same as actual support of ODF? As in "will" does not mean the same as "does." Maybe it's me, but the future isn't the present, and as they said in "The Terminator," the future is not set. I also remember well Microsoft promising to support Kerberos, and look how much fun that wasn't.
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I wonder how the citizens feel about their money being wasted on these appeals to satisfy the hatred of Microsoft by a few loudmouthed geek fanboys?
This is truly pathetic.
If Brazil, India, and SA don't like OOXML, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE IT!!! Why get in the way of every other country using it under the ISO imprimatur if they choose to do so? This is the height of selfishness by these three countries and the anti-Microsoft geeks that talked them into taking this stupid action.
Well I'll be damned (by Bill Gates) - I can already feel the BSOD hovering over me! Ok they call them Evangelists but they're no different from reps. Bastards. But anyway ok but I still reckon first post (or frosty piss) is a tradition that, though much maligned, always makes me smile.
Do it yourself, because no one else will do it yourself. [beta blockade 10-17 Feb]
> The fact that several large governments were talking about ditching MS Office (over open file standards) is what got MS to play ball. Now that they support ODF (and likely OOXML once they iron that out as well a bit) those government agencies are likely to stay with MS Office.
The problem is that MS Office is not compliant with ISO-OOXML. Nothing is. Nor are there standards to determine precisely what compliance means.
I understand that MS Gold Partners are activly but verbally encouraging universities and schools to purchase a few paper licenses and allowing all students to use MS Office in an attempt to undermine OpenOffice ... even MS India staff is involved in this scam .. but since nothing is on paper, their deniability is complete ..
Insight into much, Influence over nothing !
You have to remember the context in which IE was developed. Netscape was the darling of the computer world and there was a great deal of talk of how the browser would be the OS in the future. IE was a strategic move to kill an enemy to the Windows cash cow and it worked. However they can't just stop out of fear that another browser will do what Netscape appeared poised to do.
Silverlight is different. That is typical Microsoft, wait until someone else has proven an idea and then try to either a/ buy it or b/ copy it, then c/ squeeze the original from the market while tying the Microsoft version to Windows. Silverlight is Microsofts attempt to copy what they have not managed to buy namely Flash.
Where's the "-1: Incoherent" option, because seriously, that made no sense.
For a site about things like basic rights, Slashdot users sure do like to censor "dissent".
Parent is either funny or insightful, I'm not sure. This whole thread is evidence of the complete stupidity and lameness of Slashdot moderators.
On the other-hand, the 'offtopic' mod really should be dropped. What's the point of a threaded conversation system if you can't go off-topic? Secondly: more general conversation means more page views, ergo ad views, for Slashdot's corporate overlords.
And I would like a pony. Tough. The right wording would have been "ABNT herewith appeals according to regulations xxx".
Given how much fun the approving bodies had in twisting words already, it is a mistake to give them any more interpretation leeway.
They'll likely not go far perverting the course of things at this stage, but it is not like they would not try.
when they ask you to do some free overtime.
They know.
India is country #1 in outsourcing and this fact makes appeal very important for global OSS community.
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