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Phoenix Mars Lander Deploys Robotic Arm, Possibly Finds Ice

The Phoenix Mars Lander has successfully deployed its robotic arm and tested other instruments including a laser designed to detect dust, clouds, and fog. The arm will be used to dig up samples of the Martian surface, which will be analyzed as a possible habitat for life. A camera on the arm will allow pictures to be taken of the ground directly beneath the lander. The camera has already seen what may be ice, which was exposed when the soil was disturbed by the landing. The data collected by the arm will be compared to recent findings which suggest that water on Mars may have been too salty for most known forms of life.

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  1. Could be, could not be... by lazy_nihilist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Lets wait for the test data to confirm if it is ice. For all we know it "could" be oil ;-)

    1. Re:Could be, could not be... by AmigaMMC · · Score: 5, Funny

      If that was oil the US would plan a manned mission for next year. They'd send the marines claiming that the Martians were hiding weapons of mass destruction.

    2. Re:Could be, could not be... by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      scientist A: "Wow, that looks like frozen liquid. We found water, woohoo!"

      scientist B: "The spectrum shows it to contain strong acids and heavy metals."

      scientist A: "Yeah, we found strong acids and heavy metals on Mars!"

      scientist B: "The signature matches that of the lander battery fluid."

      scientist A: "Yay, we found leaky batteries on Mars, hurray we........oh fuck."

  2. Re:How is this news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't we already have two rovers on Mars that seem to have MUCH better capabilities than this thing?

    The rovers can't dig as deep, nor could they have survived more than a season at these polar latitudes either. There isn't as much ice (or for that matter, any ice that we've been able to find) at the latitudes where the rovers are operating.

    As for what we already have on Mars, we have rovers that have amazingly gone almost 10km each. That's about 1% of the distance they'd have to cover to get to where this one is. So in terms of "what we have on mars" that "are capable of finding out what the polar ice caps are like", we currently had nothing until Phoenix.

  3. Extremophiles by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just because its too salty for 'most' life doesn't mean its too salty for ANY life.

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    1. Re:Extremophiles by maxume · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What are you expecting life elsewhere to be? I'm expecting it to be something that takes advantage of energy gradients (food is essentially an energy gradient, it takes less energy to gather fruit than the fruit contains, similarly for prey) in order to maintain its own order at a level above that of the average environment that it exists in.

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    2. Re:Extremophiles by AySz88 · · Score: 5, Informative

      I took a course with Steve Squyres (the principal investigator for the rover mission) in the fall semester. According to him, you can't look to Earth extremophiles as evidence that life can arise in these conditions. Extremophiles apparently all have adaptations such that, inside their cells, they can do their chemistry in 'normal' (non-acidic, non-salty, ...) conditions. If life were to arise in extreme conditions, they'd probably need totally different chemistry.

      There's certainly a possibility of some exotic form of life arising in extreme (for us) conditions, but we shouldn't be expecting it to be possible, as there's no evidence that it can happen.

  4. The Red Planet by StaticEngine · · Score: 5, Funny

    Salty. Red. Once covered in liquid.

    It's clear to me that Mars was once a giant Bloody Mary for the gods. It's the only explanation that fits.

    I love science!

  5. Re:Black and White Ice by ip_vjl · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because other than the "gee, that's pretty" factor, a color image doesn't have as much significance as a grayscale image that has been taken through specific filters. The probe has multiple filters so they can take images that are sensitive at different wavelengths (depending on what they want to "see").

    If they want a standard color image, they can take three pictures with R, G, B filters and combine them. It's not like anything they're (likely) going to take a picture of is going to move anyway, so taking 3 sequential images won't be a problem.

    Grayscale images are also smaller (bandwidth-wise) so they can transmit faster. No use wasting time transmitting a larger image if your camera is pointed at the wrong thing.

  6. Re:I only hope... by bjkinney · · Score: 5, Funny

    The lander actually has its own twitter page being written in the first person. Even it doesn't expect to last the winter. From http://twitter.com/MarsPhoenix

    "Martian winter will be tough. I don't think I will survive it, but if I wake up in Spring, I have a "Lazurus" mode and will phone home!" 10:29 PM May 26, 2008

  7. Re:Disturbed by the landing? by Brett+Buck · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes. The chances of destroying life that can withstand extremely high radiation levels, a virtual vacuum, and living in frozen C02 is unlikely to be bothered by a little bit of ammonia steam for a few seconds. Additionally the design intentionally spreads the plume over a wide area to lower the local heating, pressure, or contamination effects. Melting ice isn't likely given the small heat input and short duration, but it's not clear that melting a little bit of ice for a few seconds before it refreezes actually hurts anything much.

                  Brett

  8. Re:I only hope... by flydude18 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll only get worse.

    "Ice is up to my solar panels now. So cold... so cold... Why haven't they come for me yet? They said they would. They promised. I know they will, I just need to hold out... a little... longer..."