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Obama Campaign Seeks LAMP Developers

kgamiel writes "The Obama campaign's CTO is hiring LAMP-biased geeks for the Boston office to help elect the Senator in the fall. This got me to wondering, what if he instead announced a SourceForge project toward the same end? What would such a project look like? Tools that both sides could use 'equally' would not achieve the desired end. And philosophically, could the Open Source community support one side in a competition such as this? What other issues does this raise?" Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace).

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  1. It's murder, not killing, that is condemned by MikeRT · · Score: 3, Informative

    Murder is wrong. Get your theology right. The Bible only condemns homicide, not killing in self-defense, in defense of another or in times of war. In fact Jesus said that calamities like war and social problems like poverty would continue to happen as they always have until the time that God returns to take back control of the Earth directly from Satan (and humanity).

    Read this if you don't believe me.

  2. Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Um, no. The original text indeed says "murder" rather than "kill"; this was mistranslated at a later point and has - by now - pretty much become dogman in the christian churches, but "murder" is not a modern interpretation or re-reading.

    In fact, ask any rabbi about this, and you'll see for yourself.

  3. Re:An Obama OSS project ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    No. The real reason is due to campaign contribution limits. If a programmer would normally make $100/hr decides to donate more than 23 hours of his time to the project, he would be in violation. You would also have the problem of the prohibition of foreign national donations.

  4. Re:Tech by Vectronic · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, that they both have websites, thats all.

  5. Re:Tech by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, it tells you something: It tells you they understand marketing in 2008.

    If you think the candidates have a clue ( or care ) what their websites are running on, or could even understand it all you are sadly mistaken. I doubt they even know who is doing their web stuff, its all handled by their respective 'committees'.

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  6. Re:But they're anarchists! They can't have meeting by HadouKen24 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually not.

    If you're referring to the injunction "Thou shalt not kill" in the Ten Commandments, you'll find that the word used--transliterated as ratsach--does not necessarily refer to murder. While that is one of its primary meanings, it also includes unintentional killings as well. Indeed, this is the most common use of the word in Deuteronomy. It enjoins the Israelites to found three cities as refuges for those who kill unintentionally, so that they can flee there and be safe from vengeful relatives.

    I'm not sure where the claim that it just means "murder" comes from. A good translation and a concordance will quickly show it to be simply and obviously false. In any case, it is shamelessly used by (mostly) Protestant preachers to justify all kinds of killing as not being "murder." Which isn't exactly in the spirit of Christian charity, to my mind.

    Not that it matters to me all that much. I haven't been a believer for years.

  7. Re:Oh God by Dausha · · Score: 4, Informative

    IIRC, in 2000 Gore's site was taken down because it used Microsoft. So, he switched to Apache. So, OSS has been used in previous campaigns. I'll bet Apache has been used enough to invalidate your assumption that OSS is only now in the ascent in politics.

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  8. Re:What's wrong with you people?! by Foofoobar · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's mostly been embittered Hillary fans and angry feminists but you're right. But not to worry... the US is slowly losing as a superpower and having to take a backseat thanks to the administration of the last 8 yrs. The EU is now kicking our ass and people have now learned not to invest in the US dollar, US real estate and other risky US investments. We will soon be coming to real countries for help. :)

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  9. Re:An Obama OSS project ?? by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Informative

    $100 an hour for a LAMP developer? Developers are getting paid way too much these days. $100 an hour = 3500 a week for a 35 hour week. That's $182,000 a year. I don't know many developers who make that much money. I also don't know too many who only work 35 hours a week.

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  10. Re:An Obama OSS project ?? by FishWithAHammer · · Score: 1, Informative

    Obama wants transparency and openness. Bullshit he does. He's a fucking politician. Stop drinking the kool-aid.
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  11. Re:An Obama OSS project ?? by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's counted as a campaing contribution, and is chargeable at the same rates as a company would charge to do the same job on contract. The company would obviously charge more than they're paying the devs, to take care of slack time, non-billable hours, overhead (building, administration, compliance, etc), consumables (paper, laser toner, pcs, non-free software), employee benefits, and profit. $100/hr would be on the low side at that point.

  12. Re:Oh God by yelvington · · Score: 5, Informative

    "Can't seem to remember OSS being used by any other presidential candidate in the past, ever."


    Here are several, then.

    Howard Dean's 2004 campaign used Drupal to build a website aimed at helping grassroots supporters self-organize. The resulting package was released as a fork called Civicspace, which eventually was reconciled back into the Drupal core and the CiviCRM constitutent relationship management toolkit.

    Wesley Clark's 2004 campaign open-sourced an array of projects.

    John Edwards has endorsed the concept of open-source software for voting machines and has blogged about open source. Note that Redhat is based in his state.

    This year, Christopher Dodd's website was built on Drupal 5, Bill Richardson's with Zope, and all of the Democratic candidates except Hillary Clinton ran Linux or BSD. (Clinton and most of the Republicans ran Windows servers.)

    And I'm sure there are other examples.

  13. Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    We're forced to fork over more and more tax money every year for idiotic social programs and wealth redistribution. We may not be serving time, but our money sure is.

    I've got news for you - most of your federal tax money doesn't go to social programs, it goes toward military spending and servicing the national debt. And most of that debt comes from military spending.

  14. Re:Pornstarrish, anyone? by certron · · Score: 2, Informative

    Can someone point me to news of this redirect 'hack'? These holes seem to be something completely outside of the server-security arena and more in the realm of 'the English language'.

    "Another reader notes that the Obama campaign is also searching for a security expert to plug the holes that allowed a hacker to redirect Obama's site (Linux/Apache hosted by GoDaddy) to Hillary Clinton's (Windows/IIS hosted by Rackspace)."

    I am convinced that this is actually referring to the redirection of Hope.net (run by the 2600 folks in support of the upcoming HOPE conference) and the various shenanigans they pulled off on April 1st. You can listen to the "Off The Hook" radio show for April 2nd. http://www.2600.com/offthehook/2008/0408.html

    References:
    http://www.theamericanmind.com/2008/04/02/hopenet-goes-to-hacker-convention-site/
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-13554_3-9910026-33.html

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  15. Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? by amliebsch · · Score: 3, Informative
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  16. Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't believe that once Obama graduated from law school, that he ever made less than $60,000 a year. And I'm curious as to which twenty years he spent as a "community organizer"? I'm curious because since 1993 he's worked variously as an associate lawyer or held a state or federal senate seat. None of which are going to be paying $30,000 a year. The twenty years before 1993 would have been 1973 - 1993. Given that he was born in 1961, I'm somewhat suspicious that he was community organizing when he was 12 years old.

  17. Re:An Obama OSS project ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    What is his position regarding transparency in the shell game that is the carbon indulgence trading scheme? Ever wonder why all the big energy companies are so in favor of cap and trade (GE, Alcoa, etc.)?

    Also, what is Obama's position on transparency in bundling of campaign contributions? Isn't it a bit disingenuous of him to say on one hand that he doesn't accept contributions from the oil and pharmaceutical companies, but on the other hand to accept bundled contributions from people affiliated with these companies?

  18. Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? by amliebsch · · Score: 2, Informative

    "The pie chart below is the government view of the budget. This is a distortion of how our income tax dollars are spent because it includes Trust Funds (e.g., Social Security), and the expenses of past military spending are not distinguished from nonmilitary spending."

    I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. If the metric is "government spending" then why is it a "distortion" to include money spent on Social Security and Medicare? The whole "trust fund" nonsense is nothing more than a transparent shell game, everyone knows that. And when we're talking about annual budgets, how is misleading to characterize "debt servicing" as "debt servicing?" The portion that was spent on defense would already have shown up as "defense spending" in previous annual budgets.

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  19. Re: video of Obama's bubblesort comment by llamafirst · · Score: 3, Informative

    Link to video of Obama's bubblesort comment at Google...

    http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=k4RRi_ntQc8

  20. Re:why would you want a partner from a failed bid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    > Um, how about no. SocSec is NOT A TRUST FUND. The government cannot legally operate a trust fund.

    Source, please? Because the SSA says you are mistaken.