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The Neuroscience of Illusions and Dictionaries

Scientific American is running a pair of stories about what words and illusions can tell us about the brain. Mark Changizi of the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute is interviewed about his research into the relationship between the mechanisms of the brain and the evolution of language. The second article contains a slide-show of various illusions and why the brain interprets them as it does.

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  1. Rods and cones by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the first FA, Changizi states his hypothesis that primates evolved color vision in order to detect changes in emotional state indicated by things like blushing/flushing of the face. I find this a bit problematic, primarily because it doesn't explain why our vision evolved to respond to three different wavelength ranges of light (red, green, and blue). It would make more sense to have only evolved cones responsive to red light, or perhaps red and one other color, if that were the only reason.

    It seems to me that a more reasonable hypothesis is that trichromatic color vision co-evolved along with the colorings of fruits that primates would find nutritious. Emotional cues seem like a more subtle issue - as well as a mostly-solved problem - that would have taken advantage of color vision that was already partially or fully evolved.

  2. Serious conceptual flaws by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quoting from the slide show link:

    It's a fact of neuroscience that everything we experience is actually a figment of our imagination. Although our sensations feel accurate and truthful, they do not necessarily reproduce the physical reality of the outside world. Although our sensations feel accurate and truthful, they do not necessarily reproduce the physical reality of the outside world.

    The whole philosophy of perception that this quote embodies is fundamentally wrong. As an example of this, take a look at the first so-called "illusion" in the slideshow: the Edward Adelson checkerboard-and-shadon example. This is called an "illusion" on the basis that our eyesight "misleads us" by telling us that a light square in the shadow is lighter than a dark one in the light, whereas they are, supposedly, "the same color." By "the same color," what they seem to mean is that the stimulus, i.e., the rays of light reflected or emitted from the squares that hit our retina, have the same spectrum and intensity.

    What they're missing is that the point of vision, and perception in general, isn't to give us information about the rays of light that hit the retina. What vision does is give us information about the objects in our environment, which reflect or emit rays of light. The reason we see the two squares as having different colors, despite the fact that our retinas are getting the exact same pointwise stimulus from them, is because the visual system, using contextual information about light and shadow across the whole scene, can figure out that the surface spectral reflectivity of the two squares must be different. Square B looks lighter than square A because the visual system judges, correctly, that it must reflect more light. Or put alternatively: the visual system figures out that if the two squares were in the same light, the point stimulus from the reflected light rays would be different.

    This is accurately reproducing an aspect of the physical reality of the outside world; vision is accurately reproducing the spectral reflectivity of surfaces in our environment, at the apparent expense of failing to reproduce the spectral distribution of the rays of light that hit our retina. But of course, the answer to that one is that the rays of light aren't the object of visual perception, they're just the means.

    Seeing the squares as different colors is not an illusion. There is only one visual illusion in that example, and they don't remark on it: the illusion of seeing, in a flat surface, a 3D scene with light and shadow. The judgement that the two squares have different colors follows from that, because in the real-world scene the image depicts, those squares would in fact be surfaces with different colors when seen under the same light.

    1. Re:Serious conceptual flaws by Estanislao+Mart�nez · · Score: 3, Insightful

      According to physics of relativity, "insideness vs outsideness" is an illusion of consciousness.

      I don't think physicists have very much to tell us about psychology or philosophy. What they think is not completely irrelevant, but it is not imbued with the authority you pretend it should.

      Reality is a continuous field. i.e. If we were in a simulation you wouldn't know it. There is no object "out there" per se, all your mind is doing is discretizing a continuous surface of data that you percieve or have access to into chunked-objects that don't really exist. i.e. a tree is not seperate from the earth, which ultimately is not seperate from space, which is ultimately not seperate from the sun, all of these things are continuously connected in ways we don't fully understand.

      Your problem is that your claim to know this is self-defeating. In order to "know" all this, you have to rely on your knowledge of a real world that you inhabit and interact with, with everyday objects at everyday scales.

      A more philosophical way of putting it: there are two main, related problems with what you're saying here:

      1. You're giving metaphysical status to the theories of contemporary physics. The "real" world is whatever physics says the world is; therefore, everything that physics leaves out (like everyday experience) must be "illusory."
      2. You're granting metaphysics priority over epistemology. You want us to accept that physics gives us true knowledge of what is "real" and what is "illusory." However, the knowledge that physics offers us is the result of the interactions of people in an everyday world making predictions about what they will experience when they manipulate that everyday world in sophisticated ways. Knowledge of physical theories presupposes participation in the everyday world; therefore physical theories cannot tell us what is "real" and what is "illusory" in the metaphysical sense. You can only rescue that line of thought by assuming that knowledge itself is illusory (which I wouldn't be surprised if you do).

      Needless to say, I don't think physics gives us a metaphysics, and I don't think metaphysical problems have a priority over epistemological ones.

  3. This is why... by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...strong AI cannot come from the processing of real data. That is not how minds work. Minds exist in a self-contained virtual reality that are periodically updated with real-world sensory data. This is why autism can impact the flow of that data and its connectedness without impacting the underlying mind. They're simply not associated in that way.

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  4. Re:So can somebody explain? by Trogre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I can discern Pulse-Width Modulated LEDs without eating :) By rapidly oscillating my eyes I can tell you in a second which light sources in a room are PWM. Car brake lights, dashboard lights, billboard signs, power LEDs - it's surprising how much equipment is now PWMd. That unfortunately includes other POV-based technologies like DLP. I see the rainbow effect in every single-chip implementation that I've ever come across.

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