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Leaning Tower of Pisa Secure For 300 More Years

Ponca City, We Love You writes "The tower of Pisa began to lean five years after its construction began, in 1178, and by 1990 it had tilted more than four meters off its true vertical. Conservationists estimated that the entire 14,500-ton structure would collapse 'some time between 2030 and 2040.' Now the Leaning Tower of Pisa has been stabilized and declared safe for at least another three centuries. The stabilization, which cost $30M, was accomplished by anchoring it to cables and lead counterweights, while 70 tons of soil were removed from the side away from the lean, and cement was injected into the ground to relieve the pressure. The tilt has now returned to where it was in the early 19th century. Nicholas Shrady, author of Tilt: A Skewed History of the Tower of Pisa, says that the tower was destined to lean from the outset because it was built on 'what is essentially a former bog.' Shrady adds that the tower previously came close to collapsing in 1838, 1934, and 1995. (The commission convened in 1990 to study the tower's stability was the 17th such.) Although Galileo Galilei is said to have dropped cannon balls from the tower in a gravity experiment, Shrady says the myth is the result of 'the overripe imagination of Galileo's secretary and first biographer, Vincenzo Viviani.'"

168 comments

  1. Aye, the Europeans be fit by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0, Troll

    As it is thus in ye olde lands whichst doth overflow with malodorous Gauls, so be it in Pisa, land of bogs and arduous oil-soaked men. The tower, it leans.

    1. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 1, Funny

      "ardurous" not "arduous"... :-(

    2. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by FrYGuY101 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Listen, lad. I built this kingdom up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was swamp. Other kings said I was daft to build a tower on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one... stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: the strongest tower in these lands.

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    3. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by laejoh · · Score: 0, Insightful

      You had a swamp? Luxury!

    4. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by Hanyin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      First off I'm not trying to complain (well, maybe a bit), but I'm wondering why my MP-related quote which was posted nearly ten minutes before yours didn't get modded up. I'm new here, would someone explain it to me?

    5. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pretend like the moderation system doesn't exist and everything will take care of itself. People who pay too much attention to mods and their whims either don't last too long, take a serious karma hit for constantly complaining about the system, or end up like this guy http://slashdot.org/~RageTroll+9000/.

      The end goal is more quality content (subjective), but plenty of individual unfairness happens too (also subjective).

      If you fall into the demographic that enjoys slashdot, keep posting and pretend karma doesn't exist.

    6. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by DimmO · · Score: 1

      But... but, I don't want any of that... I want to... sing..

    7. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by lilomar · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up. ;.)

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    8. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Waa waa waaa! :) I've been modded "redundant" even though my post preceded the "first" one by several minutes. Unfortunately, I was further down the list "physically", so to speak. Moderators get confused.

      It would be nice to add "redundant to which post" requirements, then auto-zapp the redundant modder if his reference post is actually newer than the "redundant" post.

      In any case, back to the fun:

      > the tower previously came close to collapsing in 1838, 1934,
      > and 1995. (The commission convened in 1990 to study the tower's stability...)

      Ahh, commissions at work.

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    9. Re:Aye, the Europeans be fit by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1
      Spelling errors are "funny" now?

      I guess it's better than "insightful".

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  2. Please proofread summary just a little bit by MichaelSmith · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...tower of Pis began...

    ...buildt on...

    The first of those is pretty obvious.
    1. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You missed;

      ...years aer its construction...
    2. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Maavin · · Score: 0

      Yeah! Should be: pies!

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    3. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing useful, interesting or funny to add so you just HAVE to point out spelling errors when nobody cares but other anal spelling nazis?

      You sure are a douche. Please kill yourself.

    4. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by aeSentinel · · Score: 5, Funny

      You sure are a douche. Please kill yourself. Anybody that can't spell a word as simple as "after" should be shoot.
    5. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell? Nothing even remotely resembling the word after appears in that post, and then you, in turn, have gone and messed up the spelling of "shot". Bravo, sir.

    6. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by DimmO · · Score: 1

      now, now. There's no need to loose your cool.

    7. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by lilomar · · Score: 1

      Its alright that post will get it's due when the mod's see it's obvious error's.

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    8. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Aggreed.

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    9. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by XHIIHIIHX · · Score: 1

      should be shoot? You mean chute?

    10. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let the sloter begin!

    11. Re:Please proofread summary just a little bit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shot you mean ;)

  3. Tower of Pis? by bushboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hmm, proof readers day off then?

    I'm usually leaning when I have a tower of piss.

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    1. Re:Tower of Pis? by thetroll123 · · Score: 1

      There's something special about spelling Nazis who don't know how to spell 'proofread'...

    2. Re:Tower of Pis? by MaxInBxl · · Score: 1

      I'm usually leaning aer I have a tower of piss..

    3. Re:Tower of Pis? by sessamoid · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tower of Pis? Is that something like this?

             333333333
            .........
            111111111
           444444444
           111111111
          555555555
          999999999
         222222222
         666666666
        555555555
        333333333
      666666666666

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    4. Re:Tower of Pis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Proof readers" is perfectly legitimate English, inasmuch as he is referring to readers of proofs.

      From where comes your assertion that bushboy doesn't know how to spell "proofread"?

      Oh yeah. From nowhere.

      At least you got the dot dot dot... makes an epic ending to your contentless post...

    5. Re:Tower of Pis? by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      hahahahaha! Buckaroo Banzai :)

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    6. Re:Tower of Pis? by jalet · · Score: 3, Funny

      I went several times to Pisa. Your drawing is incorrect, the tower leans to the opposite way.

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    7. Re:Tower of Pis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tower of Pis? Is that something like this?

            333333333 .........
            111111111
          444444444
          111111111
          555555555
          999999999
        222222222
        666666666
        555555555
        333333333
        666666666666 The base of your tower should be 555555555555

    8. Re:Tower of Pis? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I've never been to Pisa, so I don't know how good your picture is, but in my old college dorm, the

      "Leaning Tower of Pizza (boxes)" looked just like that (sans numbers)!

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    9. Re:Tower of Pis? by joeytmann · · Score: 1

      He's looking at it from the other side.

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    10. Re:Tower of Pis? by jalet · · Score: 1

      Sorry if you didn't get the joke.

      bye

      Jerome Alet

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    11. Re:Tower of Pis? by kiwilake · · Score: 1

      thats not a tower of pis. its not irrational enough

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    12. Re:Tower of Pis? by joeytmann · · Score: 1

      Same here. bye.

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    13. Re:Tower of Pis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your joke was bone-dry humor. Not to everyones taste to be sure.

    14. Re:Tower of Pis? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suspect it wasn't meant to be a joke originally, but he said so to cover up for the fact that he is a moron.

  4. Crap by baggins2001 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had Aug 2034 in the office pool.
    You bastards.

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    1. Re:Crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had Aug 2034 in the office pool.

      You bastards. How much is the pool for? A hundred pounds of Detcord and you could still win.
    2. Re:Crap by youthoftoday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      2034? That's quite some job security you got there.

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  5. Wow, just like Superman III! by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hint: Remember when Supes straightened the Tower after being exposed to the tar-kryptonite?

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    1. Re:Wow, just like Superman III! by priegog · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ah, most of us prefer to act as if the third (and fourth!) movie never actually happened.

    2. Re:Wow, just like Superman III! by EnOne · · Score: 1

      I would like to disagree I found that Superman III was still quality. Richard Pryor, Clark Kent vs. Superman. Superman IV on the other hand was so bad it killed the series.

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  6. Safe for 300 years by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Remarks like that are an open invitation for epic failure.

    1. Re:Safe for 300 years by Swizec · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The tower is safe for 300 years!!
      This ship is unsinkable!!

      Anyone else seeing similarities?

    2. Re:Safe for 300 years by Alpha+Whisky · · Score: 5, Funny

      Are you saying there are icebergs in Pisa?

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    3. Re:Safe for 300 years by MrMr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It has beeing leaning for almost a 1000 years already. Giving it another 30% extra after a major update isn't that spectacular.

    4. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the media called the Titanic unsinkable - neither the White Star Line nor anybody involved in the construction made any such claims. They were happy to demonstrate the new safety measures for the media, though.

    5. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      - neither the White Star Line nor anybody involved in the construction made any such claims. How many people were involved in the construction? Seems like a lot. And NONE of them said it was unsinkable? Not one? Please edit a Wikipedia page real quick to provide proof of this claim.
    6. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, consider that they could not straighten it up, least the tourists be disappointed...

    7. Re:Safe for 300 years by FrozenFOXX · · Score: 1

      Quite true. Either that, or the King of time with his personal bodyguard of 300 years will fight gloriously at the mountain pass of fate.

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    8. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The titanic was an administration failure, not a basic engineering one. The captain wanted to arrive quickly to boost the price of his stock options all the while ignoring the warnings...

    9. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.titanic-online.com/index.php4?page=319

      Research says that it was quite likely a bad decision compounded by the effect of using bad materials in the building of the ship. Cutting corners ain't new, kids ;)

    10. Re:Safe for 300 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I believe he is threatening the pizza

  7. That's just wrong... by NoobixCube · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To me, the Leaning Tower of Pisa was a monument of how human mistakes live on for centuries, and it was a miracle it was still standing. Now they've gone and reinforced it and taken all the fun out of it. They might as well have straightened it... It was also funny to me how an utterly useless building (who'd want to work with gravity pulling you gently towards the open window?) is conserved simply because it's old. If the same thing had happened today, which it does on a regular basis, the building would have been torn down.

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    1. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sure the hordes of people sitting around the square in Pisa, selling miniature towers and silver tea spoons, would oppose its being torn down.

    2. Re:That's just wrong... by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    3. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heavens, do you ever get any fun at all in your life? Do you ever laugh? Is there ever anything that you find interesting, fascinating, or just plain beautiful, just for its own sake?

      Seriously - no offense, but you sound like someone whose idea of a fun way to spend a Saturday night is to read a phonebook to find spelling mistakes to complain about.

      (And if you absolutely insist on an answer to the question why it's neither a) allowed to collapse nor b) straightened entirely: tourism. It's arguably the most important source of income for Pisa (quick, name one thing Pisa is famous for OTHER than the tower! can't think of anything? see, there you go), so there's a perfectly valid economic reason for what they're doing.)

    4. Re:That's just wrong... by thermian · · Score: 4, Informative

      It couldn't be straightened anyway, it wasn't finished before it began to lean, so the upper levels were built to be level with the amount of tilt present at that time.

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    5. Re:That's just wrong... by pokerdad · · Score: 1

      To me, the Leaning Tower of Pisa was a monument of how human mistakes live on for centuries, and it was a miracle it was still standing. Now they've gone and reinforced it and taken all the fun out of it. They might as well have straightened it... It was also funny to me how an utterly useless building (who'd want to work with gravity pulling you gently towards the open window?) is conserved simply because it's old. If the same thing had happened today, which it does on a regular basis, the building would have been torn down.

      They do their best to keep it leaning, but not falling because that tower is what makes Pisa famous.

      And while its true that its current state is manufacturered, this has been the case for a long time. It has been straighten before and it has been reinforced before, so this newest work changes nothing as its state before the latest work was already an artificial one.

      Also, you are right, it is conserved because it is old. What do you think they could build in its place that would have more value than the historic value of a building so old?

    6. Re:That's just wrong... by NoobixCube · · Score: 1

      Heavens, do you ever get any fun at all in your life? Do you ever laugh? Is there ever anything that you find interesting, fascinating, or just plain beautiful, just for its own sake? I do laugh. I laugh at the immortalised screwup that is the Leaning Tower. I laugh at Steve Ballmer's latest buzzword-laden, meaningless sentence. I laugh when a politician tries vainly to take a serious stance on an issue they know nothing about; doubly hard when they have a financial interest in that issue. Anyway, it's useless perusing a phonebook for spelling errors. People spell their surnames all kinds of weird ways :P.
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    7. Re:That's just wrong... by Hanyin · · Score: 1

      To me, the Leaning Tower of Pisa was a monument of how human mistakes live on for centuries, and it was a miracle it was still standing. They might as well have straightened it. I believe that a non-Leaning Tower of Pisa serves as a much worse reminder of human error than a leaning one. The fact that it's reinforced just to stay up keeps the lesson alive.

      If the same thing had happened today, which it does on a regular basis, the building would have been torn down. So in your opinion we should just tear down every building not in pristine condition? If the same thing happened today we'd tear it down so that we could do something profitable with the space (apartments, office building, etc) and as the AC already said:

      tourism. It's arguably the most important source of income for Pisa
    8. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To me, the Leaning Tower of Pisa was a monument of how human mistakes live on for centuries, and it was a miracle it was still standing. Now they've gone and reinforced it and taken all the fun out of it. They might as well have straightened it... Kind of makes me hope that some of my bad source code becomes a national treasure when we finally convert ourselves into a matrix-esque species!

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    9. Re:That's just wrong... by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well you're assuming that it will stand for centuries without any problem. Validating that assumption is useful as an engineering test case.

      And the Tower is only useless if art and history and engineering education are useless. While its foundation of course is famously defective, consider this: the oldest parts of this structure are nine hundred years old; the newest parts are seven hundred years old. What the medieval world lacked in civil engineering, it had to make up out of a combination of trial and error, craft, and sheer daring. Because they did not have the civil engineering knowledge, any structure like this that they built might collapse at any time. It's remarkable people even undertook projects like this, which were the work of centuries, many, many short lived generations.

      Yet even so, the tower has stood all this time, out of true. At the very least a fitting monument to the generations of craftsmen who built it so well.

      In any case the Leaning Tower serves as the bell tower of the Cathedral of Pisa, so it is not literally "useless".

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    10. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Fascinating story here of the cumulative mistakes and poor decision-making that resulted in the alternating lean to the left - lean to the right that it has today. (Kind of like our government I guess ... ) Written from a project management perspective, much of it will sound familiar in today's world. http://www.maxwideman.com/guests/pisa/vision.htm

    11. Re:That's just wrong... by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You sir, are a cold-hearted bastard with no sense for culture, aesthetics and history.

      Just because your overly functional mind sees no use for a building doesn't mean other people can't derive pleasure from it.

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    12. Re:That's just wrong... by redGiraffe · · Score: 2, Funny

      1. build tower
      2. it leans!
      3. $$$

    13. Re:That's just wrong... by ishark · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Uh?????

      who'd want to work with gravity pulling you gently towards the open window?

      Do you think it's an office building or what? It's a bell tower. As long as it doesn't fall it serves it purpose. What is funny is that there are many other leaning towers around, but for some reason the one in Pisa has become "The" leaning tower.

    14. Re:That's just wrong... by MagdJTK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. I mean, when the French stopped using the Eiffel Tower for broadcasting, they tore it down immediately! As an Englishman, I've been campaigning for years for Big Ben to be demolished --- who needs it when we've got digital watches now? Pull your finger out, people of Pisa!

    15. Re:That's just wrong... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      so the upper levels were built to be level with the amount of tilt present at that time.
      I think about that.

      I live about 9 blocks from the downtown Chicago and when I walk my dog, I like to gaze at the stunning Chicago skyline. I'm literally in the shadow of Sears Tower early in the morning, and sometimes it seems like some of the older buildings between the Tower and me look to be a tiny bit leaning.

      It's probably just a trick of the perspective, but as a non-engineer (actually, the anti-engineer), I marvel most of all that man is able to build so high and straight and true.

      It comforts me somehow that it wasn't always so.
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    16. Re:That's just wrong... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It's a landmark and even more importantly a tourist attraction. That's why it's valuable. And no, straightening would not have been an alternative, because the only thing that makes this thing at least somewhat interesting is its crookedness. It's like giving a freak show exhibit a correctional operation. Nobody would wanna see it anymore.

      If you're looking for useless buildings, you needn't go to Italy. Every country has them. From cathedrals to some person's birthplace to other monuments. Though, are they so useless? They serve, as mentioned above, tourist attractions, as some sort of spiritual focus and if nothing else as a reminder that earlier generations existed and did something spectacular as well. By your logic, the Pyramids would make a pretty nifty quarry.

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    17. Re:That's just wrong... by sonofabeach · · Score: 1

      Yeah we maybe we ought to bulldoze those "useless" pyramids, too. So out-dated, and what a waste of space!! If you want ancient Egypt, just go to Vegas!

      Same goes for Venice.

      Am I right?

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    18. Re:That's just wrong... by mh1997 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I live about 9 blocks from the downtown Chicago and when I walk my dog, I like to gaze at the stunning Chicago skyline. I'm literally in the shadow of Sears Tower early in the morning, and sometimes it seems like some of the older buildings between the Tower and me look to be a tiny bit leaning.

      It's probably just a trick of the perspective, but as a non-engineer (actually, the anti-engineer), I marvel most of all that man is able to build so high and straight and true.

      There is no proof that humans built any of the buildings in Chicago. Furthermore, we don't have the technology to build higher than two or three stories at most. Obviously the same space aliens that built the pyramids built Chicago skyscrapers. I think a different group of aliens built Los Angeles - Mexicans.
    19. Re:That's just wrong... by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Exactly! It's a pretty useless bit of tower. Pretty much good for nothing and by the sounds of it it's a money pit.
      Just get rid of the damn thing. There's lots of photos around if anyone in the future wants to see it anyway.

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    20. Re:That's just wrong... by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 1

      quick, name one thing Pisa is famous for OTHER than the tower! The test.

      Admittedly, given most countries dismal performance at the test, there's not much of a difference with the tower...

    21. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are right!

      Take the 2 big towers that were hit by big birds in NY.... They collapsed them to dust within minutes...
      Proof that such mistakes are not tolerated for very long in the US...

    22. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The SNS: scuole normale superiore of Pisa. Very beautiful building at the Piazza dei cavalieri.
      Not much else to see at Pisa. Fortunately, it's very close to Firenze. So while visiting Firenze, reserve a half day to visit Pisa.

    23. Re:That's just wrong... by Talderas · · Score: 1

      The tower is just one of the many sites of architecture within Pisa. The Duomo (cathedral), the Baptistry of St John are two such sights. There's also numerous churches and museums that could be worth going to see.

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    24. Re:That's just wrong... by junglee_iitk · · Score: 1

      :^)

      Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

    25. Re:That's just wrong... by will_die · · Score: 1

      It is not saved because it is old, there are plenty of other towers in Italy as old and without the restoration. It is being saved because Pisa gets alot of money from tourists and without the famous tower no-one would stop in the town.
      It costs around $30+US to climb the tower and see other other buildings and they are just not worth it.

    26. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been campaigning for years for Big Ben to be demolished I'd imagine the blind find Big Ben useful at times, since Big Ben is the Bell, not the clock.
    27. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The building would probably be a landmark anyway but that's beside the point, have you ever tried lifting a 10-storey building made of solid stone?

    28. Re:That's just wrong... by Fred_A · · Score: 1

      Exactly. I mean, when the French stopped using the Eiffel Tower for broadcasting, they tore it down immediately! It went the other way round actually. It was supposed to be torn down (it was just built as a gimmick for a world expo after all) so to save it the engineering firm pointed out it would make a fine broadcasting mast (which it did, and still does).

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    29. Re:That's just wrong... by T00lman · · Score: 0

      agreed, but not for the obvious reason... at 15 euros per visitor and 40 visitors per group and ~ 10 gps per day and ~ 300 operating days per year it will take 150+ yrs to recoup their investment... - book your tickets now before they do the math and jack up the price to 15 euros/minute. Galileo would shake his head... http://www.opapisa.it/index.php?id=216&L=1&T=2

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    30. Re:That's just wrong... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      The house I grew up in, for the longest time, had a tree that was about 25 degree tilted in the front yard. A huge pine tree. (Well, the bottom was, but the top, of course, was less so.)

      However, we were at the end of the road, and while you walked up the driveway and sidewalk to the front door (Which was on the side of the house...the road used to go past the house but got truncated) you'd walk straight towards the tree, and get very close, but not notice the tilt. Why?

      Because it just so happened to be tilted almost directly towards the front yard/door/parking area/road. It was actually somewhat fun to take someone who'd been to the house repeatedly, but never continued past the front door, twenty feet further on, past the tree, and watch them realize just what was going on with that tree that they'd seen a dozen times but never notice just how crazy slanted it was.

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      If corporations are people, aren't stockholders guilty of slavery?
    31. Re:That's just wrong... by DavidTC · · Score: 1

      You can't 'straighten' it. It's built on a bog, and one side has thinner soil than the other, so it is always tilting in that one direction. It will continue to do so forever. Moreover, it's not built straight, so there is no 'upright' for it to be.

      What they can do, and have to do every fifty years or so, is pull it the direction it's not leaning to, and attempt to put concrete or gravel under the side that's sinking.

      Right that point, it is noticeably more upright at the bottom, however, as the tower is built crookedly, the end result is that the top is now leaning in the other direction, instead of correcting the of the bottom lean. So it's still 'leaning'.

      A more descriptive name might be 'the crooked tower of Pisa, which either has the top or bottom not straight up'.

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    32. Re:That's just wrong... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Did you really have to remind me of my hernia?

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    33. Re:That's just wrong... by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      :^)
      Cat got your tongue? (something important seems to be missing from your comment ... like the body or the subject!)

      It's written in Pearl, you insensitive clod.

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    34. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an amazingly primitive ape-descended life I still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.

    35. Re:That's just wrong... by Kelson · · Score: 1

      There are a couple of other classic buildings in the same square (rectangle?) as the leaning tower, but I'd never heard about them until I went there and saw them. So yeah, it's the tower that brings people in.

    36. Re:That's just wrong... by Electrawn · · Score: 1

      Facts about Chicago architecture:

      The Monadnock building has sunk since it was built. http://www.waymarking.com/waymarks/WM3Y2H

      The Sears Tower does lean 6 inches to the west. Google around for the story, I remember it being told by a tour guide.

    37. Re:That's just wrong... by qzulla · · Score: 1
      One link says it all about tourist attractions.

      http://www.roadsideamerica.com/

      qz

    38. Re:That's just wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what about that stupid Liberty Statue thing? When are we going to take down THAT?

      It's not like there are many liberties left anyway... /Sarcasm

  8. Tower of Pies! Delicious! by Maavin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Am I right?
    Tower Of Pies

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    1. Re:Tower of Pies! Delicious! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I right?

      Tower Of Pies and it's leaning! awesome!
    2. Re:Tower of Pies! Delicious! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I tried that, but after stacking a few of those things it started leaning to one side and ... hmmm...

      Did anyone actually try to take a bite out of that tower?

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  9. Well, there's a downside to all this by Haoie · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another 300 years of putting up with Leaning Tower of Pizza jokes.

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    1. Re:Well, there's a downside to all this by Vectronic · · Score: 1

      Well, there's an upside to all this

      Another 300 years of crafting more Leaning Tower Of Pisa jokes.

  10. OB Monty Python by Hanyin · · Score: 1

    They said it was daft to build a tower on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. But seriously, I'm glad that they mentioned the Galileo thing is regarded as a myth as I've had physics teachers that have retold the story as fact.
    1. Re:OB Monty Python by theheadlessrabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

      And I've had biology teachers tell the evolution story as fact. We're all in the same boat. ahoy, fellow Pastafarian!
      yar....why ye be posting as AC?

      you should be proud to attach your name to a post declaring your belief that the great pasta in the sky created all life

      RAmen
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    2. Re:OB Monty Python by paintswithcolour · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not completely regarded as a myth; there are a handful of Galileo scholars that think there may be some reality to it. It's all conjecture though, a single source of questionable reliability will forever make it impossible to distinguish myth from fact.

    3. Re:OB Monty Python by thermian · · Score: 1

      I've had physics teachers that have retold the story as fact

      Doesn't matter, fact or not its a useful teaching mechanism. Plus of course the recipient of that knowledge then learns the truth later, which has the effect of reinforcing the basics facts which the original example was used to teach.

      Anyway, its a fun story, who cares if its not true? There are so many things for which we don't know the events that discovered them, and people do love a story.

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    4. Re:OB Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      He is right actually.

      Both the Bible, and the Macro Evolution Theory, have not been proven.

      So... Neither can be considered a fact.

    5. Re:OB Monty Python by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1

      Also, they're physics teachers, not history teachers. Get your history from those who have been trained in it. You shouldn't even trust what your teachers tell you in their area of expertise, much less random stuff that they tell you that's completely outside of it.

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    6. Re:OB Monty Python by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      That's right, it's only a theory, like the theory of gravity and the atomic theory. It's hard to believe they would teach any of that in school. We all know the only explanation of the universe is Unintelligent Design, which says that the creator, blessed be his noodliness, was too stupid or drunk when creating everything. It's the only logical explanation for why Jar Jar Binks could exist.

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    7. Re:OB Monty Python by owlnation · · Score: 1

      I suspect this may have come form the Wikipedia page. Certainly it's subjective speculation presented as fact, like a lot on the Tower of Pisa Wikipedia page.

      The Wikipedia entry on The Tower of Pisa is a good example of why Wikipedia is troublesome. It's a got a lot of speculation on it that's unreferenced -- and were it referenced, it's sill supposition in many cases. The English is awful too. And yet... there's no way of fixing it, because it's locked off by a cabal of admins. Yep, who needs terrorists to attack free speech!

    8. Re:OB Monty Python by grumm0x · · Score: 3, Funny

      Galileo was a smart man, certainly smarter than me. And even I know enough not to take a heavy weight to the top of something that's fixin' to fall over. Unless it was a "Hey, Bubba, watch this!" moment.

    9. Re:OB Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I've had preachers preach the existence of God as fact.

    10. Re:OB Monty Python by AioKits · · Score: 1

      And that's why I'm Pagan and made up my own gods, damnit. If something is gonna be real to only me, it might as well reflect something I find pleasing!

      And no, you guys can't have my gods! They're busy making my coffee flavorful and my tea delicious! I think another one is defragging my hard drive, I dunno, that light has been solid green forever now...

      PS - I really am Pagan, heh. Gotta be able to laugh at oneself.

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    11. Re:OB Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, they're physics teachers, not history teachers. Get your history from those who have been trained in it. That's right! "Look for.. the union label..."
    12. Re:OB Monty Python by vajaradakini · · Score: 1

      Actually, it is a fact that macro evolution occurs. The evidence is written in the fossil record.

      People just aren't sure exactly how it happens.
      And it's not like the Bible has the only other existing creation story. Why not pick one that wasn't plagiarized from the Summerians? Why not make some statement like "the Norse creation story hasn't been proven true"?

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  11. Hmm. by apodyopsis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course if they straightened it totally it would be worse, because the top leans the other way slightly as the builders attempted to compensate.

  12. a little sensitivity is in order... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reading the comments so far about the summary, it seems you're all being just a wee bit insensitive.

    It's not "proofreaders' day off", you insensitive clods.

    "5 years aer its construction began" is just Scots...

  13. It's a famous landmark! by johannesg · · Score: 1

    It's right besides the Empire Scat Building!

  14. As all fellow Leghornese would put it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let it fall already.... please!!

  15. Very off topic... Moderator points. by splutty · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm sorry, this is totally off topic, but to get an answer to this, posting it in the first thread is my best chance, probably.

    I used to get 5 moderator points, then a while ago, I had 10, now I have 15... Does anyone have any clue what on earth is going on? Do they stack over time if unused?

    And to stay slightly on-topic: I find it hilarious that they're fixing old engineering mistakes using modern engineering principles that are technically over 3000 years old ;)

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    1. Re:Very off topic... Moderator points. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I used to get 5 moderator points, then a while ago, I had 10, now I have 15... Does anyone have any clue what on earth is going on? Do they stack over time if unused? I used to have five. Then I had zero. I still have zero. You must be getting mine. Give them back. Please.
    2. Re:Very off topic... Moderator points. by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Funny

      The same points distribution has happened to myself, so I hazard a guess that the pool of moderators is limited, compared to the amount of moderation needed, so they are giving each moderator more points. This is supported by the fact that they don't extend the time given to use the points, so the net effect is that more mod points are awarded. Based on the age of some of the meta-mods I have done, they are months and months behind on that task, so it is reasonable that they could be behind on the moderating one. Given that the head honchos have unlimited mod points, to "mop up" what the moderators don't get, this new arrangement should free them a bit from the never-ending moderating task. Feel free to mod this -1, speculation.

      On-topic, the Tower Of Pisa is like Windows -- throw more money at the problem, but never fix it, and people will actually enjoy the defects. Marketing over engineering wins again!

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    3. Re:Very off topic... Moderator points. by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I think they needed more posts moderated. Rather than lower the threshold for the "quality" of users that get mod points, they chose to give existing moderators more points.

      It's actually tough to use all 15 now, since I won't moderate in stories that I wouldn't have been interested to read in the first place.

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  16. Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by T-Kir · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Isn't that one of the tech descriptions for Gal Civ 2?

    /me goes to look in the xml files

    Yup.... it's the tech description for Soil Enhancement:

    <Details>The other civilization leaders said I was daft to build a castle on a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So, I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp, but the fourth one...stayed up! So now you can do the same! Good luck to ye!</Details>

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    1. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by Angostura · · Score: 3, Funny

      Is Gal Civ 2 entirely written in Python, then?

    2. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by Soft+Cosmic+Rusk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Taken from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail"...

    3. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

      Lol, I thought it was Gal Civ 2 as well.

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    4. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by mike2R · · Score: 1

      Wow, parent gets 2 negative mods for not spotting a Python reference.. tough crowd!

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    5. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by The+Redster! · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's the problem with slashdot moderation. You can clearly see the violence inherent in the system.

    6. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by zehaeva · · Score: 1

      He's being repressed? Help! Help! We're being repressed!

    7. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by seandiggity · · Score: 1

      You've been modded off-topic because your guess at the origin of that quote is too obscure? The original is from this classic. Buy it, rent it, download it.

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    8. Re:Gal Civ 2 perchance?! by joeytmann · · Score: 1

      I order you to be quiet!

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  17. $30M? by RavenChild · · Score: 0

    For $30 Million do you not think they could save it longer by straightening it?

  18. The story of why the leaning tower of pisa was.... by 3seas · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...built.

    There was a baker who had become rather popular with his breads, sandwiches and soups. He experimented with new and wonderful, and sometimes not so wonderful meal idea. By accident one day a shelf bracket in his kitchen gave way and though nothing had gotten broken various item spilled onto the counter where he was making various products. In cleaning up the mess he scoped meats and chesses and sauces onto a flatten, by the shelf, bread dough. Being the experimental type and not wanting to waste his supplies he decided to put the results in the oven instead of throwing it out.

    This was the first pizza, but it wasn't perfected as the dough seemed to be a problem. Regardless he found the meal was good and decided to offer it to his customers, one of which was a close friend and building contractor who had been given a contract for a tower. These fluffy pies were selling well but the bread was still a problem and he couldn't figure out what had gotten mixed in the accident to cause the bread to stay flat rather than rise and spill the toppings.

    He got to talking with his building contractor friend and explored ideas as to how to make the dough stay flat. They thought they figured it out, with a hard object (shelf) suddenly against the bread dough to flatten it. The contractor had an idea, that he'd build the building just slightly off level so his good friend could drop the dough from a height that would flatten the dough as it hit he hard ground. And once the building was built they tried it, and it worked. They were going to many many such pies and become rich. Teh lower they dropped the dough, teh thicker the crust, the higher the thinner.

    So theu went to work, moving dough ingredients and tools to make it and lots of water up the tower. Of course teh overflow of water that had to keep away from teh spot where they woudl drop teh dough, so the contractor made a drain that diverted the drained water to under the building. This pie production went on for a few months but another problem was discovered, a seasonal one... birds and more specifically bird poop. Seems the bread also attracted birds and the slight tilted angle of the building, upon which teh birds would purch, was also contributing to the collection of bird poop on the ground right where they would drop the dough.

    Customer began to notice the underside of the pies and questionable taste. and there were many such customer and notables.

    Anyways Italy started to become embarrassed with this "bakers invention" and decided to put a stop to it but realized it word had spread far about this new and wonderful pie invention. So they had to cover it up and deny it ever existed. So they renamed the tower of pizza to Pisa. As things were, teh water being directed under the building weakened the foundation and teh building has ever since continued to tilt more and more.

    But the custom of dropping the dough from a height to flatten it, still exist today and some still do it outside, so check the bottom of any pizza you by for white spots.

    This story details may be expanded by any other in the know...

  19. 70 tons? by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 0, Troll

    It seems unlikely that removing 70 tons of soil and replacing it with concrete is going to do anything.
    You've got 11,000+ tons of tower with a looong lever arm. Doing anything with under 1% of that mass at the base does not sound too effective.

    1. Re:70 tons? by maxume · · Score: 2, Informative

      The concrete is probably mostly serving to make the apparent size of the hard foundation larger, so that it is pushing down on a great deal more soil, thus pushing down on each bit of soil quite a bit less.

      70 tons of soil is something like 70 cubic meters of soil(on the low end, that's at density of 2g/cc and assuming ton means 1000 kg (where it either should mean either 900 or 2000, I didn't read the article)), which is 'only' a pad that is 12 meters by 12 meters by 0.5 meters. If you go with 0.25 meters, you get something like 25 meters on a side. If you start by figuring that the soil that was there was barely strong enough to do the job, it isn't surprising that a bit of concrete goes a long way.

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    2. Re:70 tons? by maxume · · Score: 1

      My stupid comment about a ton being 2000 kg did not factor into my calculations...

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    3. Re:70 tons? by cowscows · · Score: 1

      It's not just the weight that makes a difference, soil and concrete act very differently. I don't know any more about what they did than you do, but I imagine that even using a big tower as a lever, pushing through a 70 ton block of concrete is going to be much harder than pushing through crappy soil, because the concrete is basically one giant piece. Even if you focus all of your energy on one particular section of the concrete, the strength of that material is going to spread out that force and so you'd end up having to move a lot more concrete/soil.

      I don't know if that explanation makes much sense. It'd be easy to explain with a quick diagram, but I'm too lazy to draw with text.

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    4. Re:70 tons? by Skagit · · Score: 3, Informative

      The tower is built on alluvial silt, and that's pretty nasty stuff to build on. Modern techniques for such poor soils rely on very large and very stiff concrete mats, like Chicago's skyscrapers, or on piles driven to bedrock like at the beach. One of the temporary stabilizing measures they used for the tower was to stiffen the soil by pumping liquid nitrogen through pipes to freeze the groundwater in the silt to prevent it from subsiding more on the side of the tilt until they figured out a more permanent solution.

      If you look at pictures of it (I guarantee, pick any geotechnical book and Pisa will either be the cover or in the first chapter), you'll notice a subtle banana shape. The builders over time knew it was tilting, so they started correcting as they were building.

      Another fascinating thing about the tower is that the walls are built of rubble clad with marble facing. The rubble over time subsided, and now the entire weight of the tower is bearing on the thin marble. Some of the tilt-side masonry is under enormous stress, and the very fine joints keep most stress concentrations low.

      The book cited in the the summary, Tilt, was an excellent history of Pisa, because the history of the city is completely entwined with the history of the tower. A very fine read, though the hardback book is cut at an angle, so the book, when shelved , tilts back into the shelves.

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  20. All the other kings... by Attila · · Score: 0, Redundant

    ... said I was daft to build a tower on a bog, but I built it all the same, just to show them.

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  21. sometimes you gotta feed em by arstchnca · · Score: 1

    Actually, they can be considered fact. I think you will find, however, that discerning minds would only consider one of the two works you mention as fact.

    Perhaps you meant to say that neither can be known as fact.

    Then again perhaps not. I doubt you meant to say that at all. Writing accurately would belie your selfish agenda; that is, attempting to compare the culmination of human discernment and human logic that is modern science to the culmination of human creativity that is religion.

    Trying to do that shows me you aren't very scientific. But you know what? It also shows me that you aren't very religious.

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    1. Re:sometimes you gotta feed em by qzulla · · Score: 1

      But which one makes more sense?

      Let the battle begin...

      qz

  22. Great work by asc99c · · Score: 1

    I reckon they've actually done a really good job here. With modern equipment, I think that technically they could just fix the foundations and set it back to vertical. But if it's not leaning then it's not much of a tourist attraction anymore.

    Stabilising an ancient tower in a still leaning position is pretty impressive.

  23. Geeks' leaning tower by noidentity · · Score: 1

    Conservationists estimated that the entire 14,500-ton structure would collapse 'some time between 2030 and 2040.' Now the Leaning Tower of Pisa has been stabilized and declared safe for at least another three centuries. The stabilization, which cost $30M, was accomplished by anchoring it to cables and lead counterweights, while 70 tons of soil was removed from the side away from the lean, and cement was injected into the ground to relieve the pressure. The tilt has now returned to where it was in the early 19th century.

    Hmmm, I wonder if there will be something similar for our "tower" in the future...

    Conservationists estimated that the entire 14,500-MB structure would BSOD 'some time between 2030 and 2040.' Now the Vulnerable Windows of Microsoft have been stabilized and declared safe for at least another three centuries. The stabilization, which cost $30M, was accomplished by anchoring it in a virtual machine with multi-megabyte counterweights, while 70 GB of malware was removed from the side away from the vulnerabilities, and x86 opcodes were injected into the image to relieve the pressure. The open vulnerabilities have now returned to where they were in the late 20th century.

  24. Oblig Simpsons quote. by AltGrendel · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I find that work perfectly cromulent."

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  25. The degree of lean by Huntr · · Score: 4, Informative
    According to the article,

    By 1990 it had tilted more than four metres off its true vertical Then it says

    The tilt has now returned to where it was in the early 19th century, with a lean out of true of 3.99 metres
    According to Wikipedia, they moved it about 45 cm, meaning 45 cm is the difference between toppling in the next few decades vs the next few centuries.
    1. Re:The degree of lean by ivan256 · · Score: 1

      When you decided that 45 cm is the difference between toppling sooner, rather than later, you assumed (or ignored) a variable.

      The 45cm that the moved the tower is probably almost completely unrelated to how long the tower will stand. What they likely altered was the rate at which the tower was moving.

  26. Stupid builders by mangu · · Score: 1

    it wasn't finished before it began to lean, so the upper levels were built to be level

    So, it seems that those builders, besides not being able to choose a good place to begin with, were unable to extrapolate. Which part of "if this goes on" they couldn't understand?


    If it were me, I would stop building when it started leaning, and do it over somewhere else. To reduce the cost, the stones could be reused, just take it apart and put it back together where the ground is more suitable.

    1. Re:Stupid builders by NormalVisual · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given the way management works, I'd imagine the builders tried to do exactly that, only to be told by their superiors to continue working until it was finished, regardless of the outcome. If it fell, the workers would be blamed for their substandard work. If not, it would serve as a testament to management's foresight and proof of their competence to any who might have criticized their decision. In no case would the project's management ever be held to any kind of responsibility for anything bad that might happen.

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    2. Re:Stupid builders by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Especially since the "management" was probably some Count, Baron, or some other noble, who could have the complaining builder killed.

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  27. You could've had a V-8 by chriscoolc · · Score: 1

    You've got a point. Maybe they would have been better off spending all those stabilization funds on eliminating noobishness.

  28. Not Funny. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Insightful.

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  29. you must be....oh wait by filthpickle · · Score: 1

    don't sweat the mod system.....keep posting and you'll get some points and see how it works.

    Did you see the BBC played Python all day on Memorial day? I watched it for about 5 hours....haven't watched MP in a long time, laughed my ass off, again.

  30. Despair, Inc comes to mind... by kellyb9 · · Score: 1
  31. Re:The story of why the leaning tower of pisa was. by ForestGrump · · Score: 1

    Damn interesting indeed! you should submit this to damninteresting.com!

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  32. old news by smoker2 · · Score: 1

    I don't know why this is suddenly news, I saw a tv program on this, at least 5 years ago. They showed the cables and supports being fitted, and a few of the less successful methods too.

  33. Mario Luigi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What? No Italian (or atleast Soviet Russia) jokes yet ? Well here goes -

    Mario Luigi (Prince of Italy, 1624): I want-a tower a-so high that I take-a pis-a and it-a doesn't fall-a to the ground!

  34. mod this post up by filthpickle · · Score: 1

    it really embiggens the discussion

  35. Summary Correction: Grouting by jrsjrsjrs · · Score: 1

    The summary has a error. Cementicious grout is injected under the tower to *increase* the bearing pressure of the soil, not to reduce it as stated in the the summary.

  36. Nothing can possibly go wrong now. *nt* by MrMista_B · · Score: 1

    no text

  37. Infeezible by wsanders · · Score: 1

    That could never work. The Tower has to be infinitely high. Although I hear in some flat states they've tried to built it one story tall:

    http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html

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  38. Blogographer? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Gallileo had a blogographer? wtf?

  39. They should have chosen a square number by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 1

    Like 4. Tower of Quattro.

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  40. It is the will of Alah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With the Italians not having babies, who will see the tower in 300 years?
    My guess is it will be used to call the faithful to pray 5 times a day.
    Ironic how Europe worked so hard to kill off Christianity only how their atheism give way to Islam in 2 generations

    Oh well, the future of Europe is a brown hand pulling a white life support cord out of the wall.

  41. Dammit! by Landshark17 · · Score: 1

    I wanted to see it come crashing down in my lifetime!

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