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New Browser-Based MMO Teaches Mandarin Chinese

Have you ever wanted to learn Mandarin Chinese? (Yeah, me neither.) However, if you suddenly feel the urge to learn how to welcome your new Chinese overlords, researchers supported by Michigan State University and the Office of the Chinese Language Council International have a game for you. "Zon" is a browser-based virtual world, currently in beta-testing, that helps users to learn the Mandarin Chinese language.

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  1. Dialects... by SomeJoel · · Score: 4, Funny

    I suppose if you don't like the dialect you're learning, you can always reroll.

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  2. Yes, you want, too. by Hankapobe · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Have you ever wanted to learn Mandarin Chinese?

    An acquaintance of mine went to China an she found something rather interesting. Young folks right out of college would go to China for a couple of years to teach English or whatever, the Chinese Government pays them and gives them a stipend (more $$$ if you can speak Chinese too!). They just bank their pay and when they come home, they have enough money to put a sizable down payment on a house and start their lives. And they had an adventure that they'll remember fir the rest of their life.

    Considering that the US will be China's bitch in a few years, I suggest you do in fact learn Chinese!

    1. Re:Yes, you want, too. by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Informative

      Just don't let them take your passport. No matter how much they say they are required to.

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    2. Re:Yes, you want, too. by budcub · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Considering that the US will be China's bitch in a few years, I suggest you do in fact learn Chinese!

      Back in the 80's they told us that the US would be Japan's bitch and we should all learn to speak Japanese. Heck, maybe we'll be Mexico's bitch and we should learn Spanish?

    3. Re:Yes, you want, too. by Eudial · · Score: 4, Funny

      Considering that the US will be China's bitch in a few years, I suggest you do in fact learn Chinese!

      Back in the 80's they told us that the US would be Japan's bitch and we should all learn to speak Japanese. Heck, maybe we'll be Mexico's bitch and we should learn Spanish? With such confusion as to who was going to be our new overlords, no wonder Esperanto was big.
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    4. Re:Yes, you want, too. by soren100 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You dipshits don't actually think a copy of a passport is worth anything do you?

      At one of the western embassy's, yes. To a local cop, nope. That's not true.

        I had a French cop stop me on the streeet ask me for ID (there was some kind of local fraudster that was panhandling, and the cop saw that person talking to me) The French cop said he wanted to see my passport (all I had was my driver's license). When I told him I had left my passport in the hotel room, he wanted to know why I did not make a copy of it and take it with me. He said that it was important that I do this. So yes, copies of passports are important to local cops. Sure, they can be easily altered, but they provide a starting point to prove your nationality and identity.
    5. Re:Yes, you want, too. by religious+freak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is for real. China is on the rise. Japan couldn't do it because no matter how productive they were, they still had 1) limited land area/natural resources and 2) limited population, relative to ours

      It is a logical fallicy to assume that because this has been predicted before, it is not real this time. The best hope we have of countering a strong Chinese influence is India. So next time you speak to your friendly Indian "code factory" worker, blow them a kiss and wish them good luck.

      China has a number of things which makes me think it'll be top dog for only a few decades, but their capacity to beat us is much more potent than Japan's. Believe it.

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    6. Re:Yes, you want, too. by zapakh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ho! Konsiderante ke la Usono estos la hundinac^o de Esperantujo en la venontaj kelkaj jaroj, mi sugestas ke vi fakte lernu Esperanton! Mi, por unu, bonvenigus niajn Esperantistajn majstrojn!
    7. Re:Yes, you want, too. by ShakaUVM · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have been learning Mandarin for the last three years. It's a lot of fun -- mainly because Chinese people give you these serious WTF? looks when you speak to them.

      While the summary is kind of insulting, learning Chinese is actually a fairly pragmatic choice these days (as you rightly point out, China is making the US its bitch) and I actually think this idea of a language MMO is incredibly awesome. When I lived in San Diego and San Francisco I had no trouble finding community college Chinese classes -- but now that I live in Fresno, there's no options available.

      ChinesePod is an... okay... web site, but their lessons are all over the place instead of organized in a systematic approach to teaching Chinese, and while its free, you have to pay huge amounts of money just to see what the characters used in the lessons are. It's very expensive for a free site.

      Every Chinese software product I've tried sucks (especially Rosetta Stone -- it's terrible), though Fluenz looks pretty good... but I'm not willing to part with $300 bucks to support my hobby though.

  3. I think this is great by Satanboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I welcome any free opportunity to learn a new language.

    I might mess with this a bit and see if I can pick up some new phrases.
    I hope there are more things like this developed in the future. Games can really bring people together, and language is a huge barrier that could be broken down if things such as this are successfull.

  4. Yah, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    But, half an hour later, you just want to learn another new language.

  5. Ahh! by DJNephilim · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't have time to play this, my hovercraft is full of eels! *pretends to strike a match*

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  6. Speaking chinese is good for MMOs by bugnuts · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I'll be able to understand what those chinese gold farmers are actually saying.

  7. Re:Mandarin font? by Adambomb · · Score: 3, Informative

    Firefox at least:
    Go to Tools, Options, then click on General on the left
    click the languages... tab on the right hand side
    click the down arrow where it says select a language to add
    click add.
    then just click the down arrow by where it says "Default character encoding" and pick the language you just installed and confirm it all with ok's.

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  8. So finally... by ricebowl · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...we can all watch Firefly without the subtitles! Is this just a clever preparation for the MMO?

    1. Re:So finally... by Gulthek · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not awful, just a projection of the future of the language. Just as the Chinese of today isn't pronounced the same as the Chinese of five hundred years ago.

  9. Re:Mandarin font? by NoobixCube · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you're using Linux, it can be pretty easy too. Ubuntu and it's progeny have the fonts in the repositories, so you just open up your package manager and search for them. I'm sure other distros would too.

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  10. Someone please by porcupine8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Someone please create something similar for the DS! For a learning environments design class, my partners and I designed something along the same lines, only not an MMO, to teach Swedish (one guy happened to know Swedish) on the DS. Just the bare-bones outline of a design, no programming, but something like that would ROCK. Everyone in the class agreed we wanted one - some people would even buy a DS to get that kind of a language-learning game in preparation for a trip.

    The DS is the perfect platform - multiple types of possible input, including typing, writing, and voice (which could be turned off if you're on the go), portable, affordable. Create a game where you're a tourist in some foreign city and must complete little missions like finding a hotel and eating in a restaurant, along with something more out-there for the fun factor. In addition to language, you'd be able to get some cultural info (like currency, etc) as well as a map of part of the city if that's where you'll be visiting. Sure, the stores etc won't be accurate but it could incorporate major tourist landmarks like museums and historical sites.

    SOMEONE PLEASE STEAL THIS IDEA AND MAKE IT. Please. I have no idea how to go about making a video game.

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  11. Project LRNJ by Volanin · · Score: 3, Informative

    There is also Project LRNJ, an RPG game that teaches you JAPANESE.
    It is not browser-based, but it is available for every major OS.

    Get it here!

    And good luck getting rid of all those slimes!

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  12. Yes, it is. by The+Iso · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your passport does not confer the right travel, your nationality does. Your passport is proof of nationality, and you can still prove your nationality by other means. Having your passport's number and expiration date helps. If you have an American passport, turn to page 6. You will notice that the State Department recommends making two photocopies of your passport data page.

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  13. I hope there won't be a quiz! by Protoslo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I managed to escape the airport and get to my hotel in the game, but I wouldn't put much money on my remembering many of the specific words that I 'learned' in the airport in an hour. Without some sort of review mechanism, I don't see this being very effective. Of course, perhaps if I play this eight hours a day I would just soak it in by immersion, but I think that it is more likely that I would kill myself from the boredom first. Not that learning languages is that horrible, but this is more painful than just reading a book (well, a book and a 'set of tapes'). As it is, it seems the point of the game is to not starve to death. A noble goal, to be sure...

    I think that the game would greatly benefit from a 'journal' function or something that lets me revisit past vocabulary and grammar lessons (and pinyin reference!) if I feel so inclined...then it really would be like an interactive language program, but with avatars that starve to death. I suppose that the big benefit would be getting to try out your stuff with other players...I imagine that at this point in the beta, everyone is too embarrassed by their hideous accents and word pacing to try out their Mandarin on the other players (that is my excuse).

    Ah, one last observation. When you 'observe' the conversations, it seems to me that sometimes the two people involved have different accents, and pronounce certain words slightly differently. A heads-up as to what accent everyone is demonstrating would be nice, so I don't end up speaking a mixture of Beijing-accent, Shanghai-accent, and ignorant farmboy accent (for all I know).

    Overall, a pretty good effort for a beta, I suppose. Actually, I used to play FFXI in the middle of the night to try out my Japanese--not a very good way to learn kanji, I'll admit, but at least there was more to do in the game than starve to death. Perhaps some sort of happy medium between these extremes is possible?

  14. Same in Beijing by ihatewinXP · · Score: 3, Informative


    I live in Beijing and rarely carry my passport for anything aside from a trip to the bank - but ALWAYS have a copy on me.

    In three years the _one time_ I was stopped by an officer and asked for ID he was fine taking the number from a photocopy and understood my (poor) Chinese explaining I just dont want to lose the damn thing.

    Same thing though with your housing permits - try not having one of those when the police come by for checks. I got a knock last week at 12:30 AM from two cops making the rounds in my building checking on listed foreigners - I have heard without the right housing permit it would have been much more than a 5 minute affair and more like a 5 day mess with my possible deportation.

    Protip: carry a copy, leave the real one at home. If its that big of a mess they will gladly escort you there ;)

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  15. How about playing a real MMO ? by Saffaya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously.

    Having played a number of MMO betas in chinese language, due to the fact they were the only versions available on the planet besides korean, I do recommend such option for players looking forward to learn the language.
    Even more helpful would be to play a chinese version of a game you already know in english version, so you have a working knowledge which would make your first steps easier.

    Examples : RF Online, Granado Espada (aka sword of the new world), etc ..

    A ceveat though, would be the recent and very annoying trend from companies to dictate that all other licencee companies exploiting a particular MMO restict their player's access by country IP. Even though the MMO maker itself never intended so.
    This is very annoying and should not be allowed to be, it may force you to look for a proxy service in the country where the servers are located.