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Record Labels Sue Spanish P2P Pioneer For $20M

elguillelmo writes "Promusicae, the Spanish record industry association, has sued MP2P Technologies and its founder, P2P pioneer Pablo Soto, for $20 million, citing unfair competition. Soto is behind the recently launched Omemo, an open source social media storage platform that allows users to share files anonymously, and the MP2P protocol, among other developments. Soto announced the organization's intention to defend itself in a statement published on his blog (in Spanish, Google translation)." TomTheGeek notes related news that Warner Brothers has admitted it employed one of the investigators in the case against the Pirate Bay founders. We discussed initial reports of this controversy last month.

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  1. Stupid legal system by mrbluze · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It matters not whether you're in the right or not, but if you get sued it ruins your year.

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  2. Unfair Competition by NoobixCube · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The wording of that seems to have nothing to do with the legality of sharing files. Promusicae just don't like competing. At least there's one such organisation that says what it means.

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    1. Re:Unfair Competition by Beriaru · · Score: 5, Informative

      Well, the thing is, in spain is legal download music. We're being extorted with a private tax (the 'canon') for the concept of 'private copy'.

      When you buy recordable CDs you pay that 'canon' (which is more expensive than the CD). That way, you are free to have private copies of records.

      The record industry associations have tested the legality of download music, and have lost. So they are testing new ways of being an asshole.

  3. Re:Yeah sure by MR+LOLALOT · · Score: 4, Informative

    The funny about this is here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Community_competition_law

    The unfair competition from the Competition Law of the EU only applies to big companies and/or monopolistic companies. MP2P is neither. They don't even play in the market PROMUSICAE does.

  4. The opposite side of the "entitlement society"... by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This particular lawsuit cannot hide behind the evil copyright infringers.

    Reaganites in the us (im sure every nation has their version of them in one extreme or another) wail on endlessly about the freeloaders who think they are "entitled" to welfare, while conveniently ignoring the elephant in the room.

    Today's corporate controllers feel their companies not only have the right to exist, and therefore receive massive tax-payer bailouts the magnitude of entire state budgets, but think they have the right to profit. This is particularly blatant with the music and film industries world wide, who count a person's refusal to buy as "stealing" and characterize emerging business models as murderous.

    oh snap! that home depot across the street just stole the revenue lowes was entitled from everyone who turns left off the exit instead of coming down the oncoming lane from the opposite side of the bridge!

    A more convenient location for northbound and westbound travelers is an unfair competitive advantage! where is my anti-trust council!

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  5. Double attack on P2P by the Spanish RIAA by Patatoffel · · Score: 5, Informative

    In Spain, SGAE, Promusicae and others (spanish RIAAs) are paid a percentage ('canon') of the price of storage devices: CDs, DVDs, printers, hard drives, cameras... in compensation for their hypothetical losses because of P2P. But now they are showing that they also want to adopt the US way to 'defend' their copyrighted media, so we'll end up being f*cked twice. And our ruling party, the PSOE, calls itself leftish. Contradictory, isn't it?

  6. Big hard drives = Piracy War Over! by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The piracy war will ultimately be won by pirates. So all these law suites are kind of pointless in the end. Even if they manage to kill P2P somehow, I can still go to my buddies house and swap movies with a portable HD. And eventually, in the not too distant future, we'll be able to swap the ENTIRE collection of every movie and song EVER made via snicker-net!

    Check it out:

    Assuming 1 aXXo movie = 700 MB, the average MP3 = 5 MB, and a $200 hard drive increases in capacity every 1.5 years (not unreasonable), then:

    -5 years (2012) - Weâ(TM)ll have 7 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 9,643 Movies or 1.3 Million songs!!

    -10 years (2017) - Weâ(TM)ll have 51 Terabyte hard drives costing $200, capable of storing 73,225 movies or 10.3 MILLION songs

    -15 years (2022) - Weâ(TM)ll have a 389 Terabyte hard drive costing $200, that can store 556,000 Movies!!! or 77.8 Million songs (Is there even that many songs in the history of the world?!?!?)

    -20 years (2027) - Weâ(TM)ll have a 2956 TERABYTE hard drive, costing $200, that can store 4.2 MILLION MOVIES or 590 MILLION MP3s!

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    GAME *UCKING OVER!
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    By 2030, we will have every movie and song in the world stored on our freaking wrist watches.

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    1. Re:Big hard drives = Piracy War Over! by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lets say a song is about 5 minutes long

      20 songs an hour
      480 songs per day
      175.200 songs per year
      17.520.000 songs per century.

      That is assuming you don't sleep, that you never listen to the same song twice, and that you never do anything but listen to songs. For music it has been game over for a long time... Movies probably have a decade or so left, but then they are fucked too.

  7. Re:The opposite side of the "entitlement society". by Stanislav_J · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Today's corporate controllers feel their companies not only have the right to exist, and therefore receive massive tax-payer bailouts the magnitude of entire state budgets, but think they have the right to profit. This is particularly blatant with the music and film industries world wide, who count a person's refusal to buy as "stealing" and characterize emerging business models as murderous.

    Not just the right to make a profit, but the right to ever-increasing profits. Used to be if a company's profit dropped, there would be soul-searching to see how they could change and adapt their methods and products to better suit the current economic situation, to more accurately meet consumers' needs, or to effectively compete against other companies. That has changed -- now, if the bottom line starts dropping, it's never the company's problem, it's all those outside forces that must be bullied, threatened, lobbied, bribed, or regulated into submission. "We've been doing it this way for X number of years, and we want to make sure that we can still do everything the same way, only keep making more and more money."

    It's not just the record and film industries that see the Internet as a threat. Newspapers, magazines and other traditional media are running scared. Governments fear the notion of people actually forming and sharing their own opinions instead of being told what to believe, and corrupt governments and politicians fear their carefully obfuscated dirty laundry being hung out on the Net for all to see. As the Net grew in popularity, the initial corporate attitude was, "aw...how cute." Then it became, "hmmm.....how can we make a profit off this thing?" If they failed to do so, it then became "the Internet is evil and must be killed, or at least molded and shaped to serve OUR needs."

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