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Efficiency? Think Racing Cars, Not Hybrids

Gordonjcp writes "A renowned racing car designer has said that car manufacturers should be looking at making cars lighter to improve efficiency, rather than adding complex drive trains. In this article on the BBC News website, Professor Gordon Murray explains that a weight saving of 10% in a normal car would make more difference than switching to a hybrid engine and motor combination. Could this be the next nail in the SUV's coffin?"

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  1. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Safety devices in cars are the major reason that fuel efficiency hasn't significantly improved since the 70s. Since the 70s and 80s up to 500 kg have been added to cars in the form of safety devices. For example, a 1979 Honda Civic had a curb weight of 680 kg. A 2008 Honda Civic has a curb weight of 1180 kg. A 1980 Toyota Camry had a curb weight of 1000 kg. A 2008 Toyota Camry has a curb weight of about 1500 kg. This 500 kg rule applies across a broad range of vehicles.

  2. Kammback by raygundan · · Score: 5, Informative

    A truncated teardrop with a flat back (like the Prius or the Insight) is actually more aerodynamic than the teardrop. It's called a Kammback, and it's named for the gentleman who noticed that if you chop off the back of the teardrop, the air keeps flowing the same way, except without the drag of sliding along the surface of the parts of the teardrop you just chopped off.

  3. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by pohl · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amory Lovins, in his excellent TED Talk on Winning the Oil Endgame, makes an argument that weight savings need not lead to descreased safety. An example that he cites is a hand-built McLaren that has a couple of woven carbon-composite cones in the front that absorb the energy of a crash. Well worth a listen.

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  4. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by Scootin159 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Worth mentioning.... the aforementioned McLaren was designed by Gordon Murray... the author of the article. He's also been a very successful designer in Formula One.

  5. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by dingen · · Score: 5, Informative

    And their fears aren't exactly unfounded. Only way to get the majority of people to stop driving heavy cars is to increase gas prices to the point where lighter cars are the only option, or having a flag day where everybody agrees to switch, i.e. not gonna happen in the near future :)

    Gas prices increasing to the point where driving a light, efficient car is the only option is not going to happen you say? I beg to differ. Here in The Netherlands, it's already happening. There has been an extreme increase in gas pricing the past year. You now pay E 1.65 per liter, which is about $ 9.21 per gallon. Yes, you read that right. For a full tank in a small to medium sized car (40 liters), you easily spend over 60 euros. That's $ 100 for a tank of gasoline.

    Over here, even in the rich suburbs people are selling their SUV's and buying small cars like Mini's and Fiat Panda's. The number of SUVs sold is dropping rapidly. It was recently in the news that last year, the amount of SUV's sold was only 1/5 of the year before that.
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  6. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mod parent up! Not only is the 12-year-old McLaren F1 still one of the quickest and fastest cars ever built, it does it without resorting to 4 turbos and 1,001 horsepower simply by being lighter.

    Not only that, but Murray also worked to finalize the design of the (already nearly complete) Caparo T1, which is even quicker (0-60 in 2.5 seconds), and with less horsepower than the F1. How? It weighs about half a ton.

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  7. Re:In the US no one wants to buy light cars by Knuckles · · Score: 5, Informative

    the bugatti Veyron you link to runs FASTER than F1 cars. Wrong. It is faster in a straight line than F1 cars in racing trim with all their wings and winglets. The goal in F1 is to achieve the fastest lap time on a track with bends and corners, and therefore F1 cars have an insanely high cw of ca. 1, to generate an immense amount of aerodynamic downforce that is needed for fast cornering.

    Away from the track, the BAR Honda team used a modified BAR 007 car, which they claim complied with FIA Formula One regulations, to set an unofficial speed record of 413 km/h (257 mph) on a one way straight line run on 6 November 2005 during a shakedown ahead of their Bonneville 400 record attempt. The car was optimised for top speed with only enough downforce to prevent it from leaving the ground. -- Wikipedia

    On a real track or road, with full aerodynamic gear, an F1 car would smoke the Bugatti. For an idea of what an F1 can do, see this comparison of Formula 1 Car vs Ferrari 550 Maranello vs Fiat road car.
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