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Boy Scouts Ask Open Source Community For Help

Lucas123 writes "The Boy Scouts of America are looking to the open-source community for help in building software to use for fundraisers, special events, and other functions, for their more than 121,000 local scout troops. Some open source advocates, who are former Boy Scouts, support the idea, despite a few reservations. According to the article, there are no plans for a scout merit badge in open source — but there has been a merit badge in computers since 1967, 'and it is possible that if the program is successful, it could eventually be used by IT-savvy scouts themselves.'"

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  1. They only want your help if... by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if anybody can help out or do they only want help from hetersexual and religious programmers?

    Wouldn't it be bit of a double standard if they won't allow atheists and homosexuals to join, but will gladly accept free labor from them?

  2. Re:BSA by Curien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I was an atheist boy scout, and I used to get into discussions with the troop leaders about religion on a regular basis. They never made me feel uncomfortable or like I didn't belong.

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  3. An open source merit badge would be silly by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What would make sense is a track toward earning the Computing/IT merit badge that was heavy on open-source development and programming.

    BTW sorry for attempting to be on-topic; feel free to continue the ranting... (hello -1 karma!)

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  4. Great idea! Let's fight bigotry by being bigots! by FishAdmin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone has the right to withhold their help from ANY organization whose ideals or methods they don't agree with, and I'll be the first one to support that expression of your beliefs. However, all that I've found the Boy Scouts do is stand on their expressed belief system. They don't agree with homosexuality, and they believe in God, but I've yet to see them march against homosexuality or bbeat children that were found to be Athiest. Please make sure you don't label "disagreement" the same thing as "hatemongering". Everyone has a right to disagree; no one has the right to prosecute another for their beliefs, as long as those beliefs don't infringe upon the rights of another. Withhold or provide your support as you see fit, but don't think that just because someone doesn't agree with you that means they hate you. As for the MPAA...there's no real defense on that one. Sorry, LA Scout branch: that was simply stupid. Teach your kids not to steal ANYTHING; don't limit your lessons to music and movies.

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  5. Re:Boycott by 1155 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OSS people can also be the most close minded people I know. Same with most any other generalized group

  6. Re:Open/Free != Gratis by samkass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or better yet, have their own employees and scouts develop the skeleton project themselves. There must be SOMEONE in an organization that claims to be the size they do with some computer skills.

    Perhaps they kicked those folks out for disagreeing with their religion.

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  7. Re:BSA by fwarren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I take it you did go out of your way to make waves.

    I believe the problem is when you stand up and scream you are an atheist and want everyone else to change what they are doing to do it your way, is when there are problems.

    I think for the most part when you are "different" from a group of people and you elect to be involved with them. That you will be accepted as long as you try to fit in and look for common ground. As opposed to stressing how you are different and they should change who they are, what they have always done, and what they believe so as to make you happy.

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  8. Re:meh, there are better reasons Re:No by cptdondo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What, do married men get their dick cut off? WTF does being married or single have to do with child abuse?

  9. Re:thirded... by Kozz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm an Eagle Scout. I don't like the "corporate" stance that the BSA has regarding religion and homosexuality. (Disclaimer: I am a straight, white Christian, for whatever that means to you)

    When it gets down to the very small community groups where troops may consist of less than 50 scouts, the leaders are parents of scouts, and so on. This is a model where adults lead and teach children -- frequently the children who need guidance and leadership the very most. I fear that outright rejection is throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

    Just an opinion, YMMV.

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  10. Re:BSA by s4m7 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [...]quite rightly, had their rights to discriminate as a private organization upheld.

    Point of order on "quite rightly." See, that would be true if they were a private organization that did not accept federal grants. The government requires grant recipients not to discriminate.

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  11. Re:meh, there are better reasons Re:No by GreyyGuy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You are aware that the vast majority of people that molest underage boys are men that identify as straight, don't you?

    By your logic, the scout troops would be safer camping with an out gay man.

  12. Re:From an Eagle Scout... by jamesoutlaw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As for homosexuality, I have no problem with homosexuality, but I still approve of the Boy Scouts' stance on it. Scouting is an institution that helps boys grow up to be men. It is not an institution to help boys grow up to be women

    Homosexual men are not the same as nor do they aspire to be women.

  13. Re:BSA by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A Christian scout who steals, cheats, or fights will be given counseling, and an effort will be made to keep him in the fold provided he poses no imminent threat to others. An atheist scout who lives an exemplary life will be rejected unless he lies about his beliefs. How is this a moral example for young people?

    It shows that a lying psychopath will get a lot farther in life than an honest paragon. And that's one of the most important lessons in morality you can receive nowadays.
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  14. Re:thirded... by operagost · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Obviously, your experience with lesbians is limited to adult films.

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  15. Re:BSA by mweather · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're technically right. It's not a merit badge, it's a religious emblem and/or a knot insignia. It's not required, but it does satisfy requirements to advance in rank. So it's not a merit badge, it's much flashier (being amedal/pin) and serves the same damn purpose.

  16. Re:Any Gay Programmers "Out" There? by Sax+Maniac · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Open gays are excluded in scouting because inherently it becomes sexuality issue. A leader who discusses sex issues at a scouting meeting or function should be removed. Scouting is not the forum for "discovering" one's sexual identity. If I were to say in a scout meeting, "I really enjoyed banging my wife last night," I'd be thrown out.
    Wow, you have a funny definition of "openly gay". Funny in the sense of "bigoted".

    I'm openly heterosexual. My wife and kids come visit me at work. I kiss her goodbye when she leaves. It's obvious I am heterosexual. At no point do I talk to my coworkers or children about sex.

    A person who is openly gay, is not by definition talking about sex anymore than I am. It means they are not in the closet.

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