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Microsoft Goes After "Career Pirates"

Stony Stevenson writes "Microsoft has filed 21 lawsuits in US Federal courts as part of an effort to stop those who continually pirate its software. The suits span 14 states and target people and businesses that have allegedly sold pirated copies of Microsoft software. Eight of the suits target companies that Microsoft refers to as 'repeat offender software pirates.' The eight firms had already been sued by Microsoft for selling counterfeit software."

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  1. I hate to say it... by Daetrin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but this is one of the few cases where I agree with Microsoft, assuming the facts they're presenting are correct at least. If you want to argue that information should be free and pirate music/games/software/whatever for yourself, that's up to you to decide. And the same applies if you want to give away copies of whatever you've pirated to others for free. However very few things disgust me as much as people pirating someone else's work and then selling it for a profit to others.

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    1. Re:I hate to say it... by DeadDecoy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I dunno, it seems pretty clear cut that MS is doing this for their own interests. It just so happens that their interests and the morally right choice coincide. Don't let your rabid hatred of MS blind you to reason.

  2. Good luck with that by Facetious · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously. I think the best thing Microsoft could do to speed the adoption of Linux and Mac is crack down on those wanting its software at below market prices.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that by petermgreen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS is stuck between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand they really don't want to drive any more users to alternatives. On the other hand the stock market demands growth not just stability and the only way microsoft can significantly grow it's market is to reduce piracy.

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  3. So Copyright Infringement is Not Theft? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd bet that the persons receiving the computers loaded with pirated software would be pretty upset to find out that they didn't have licensed software.

    1. Re:So Copyright Infringement is Not Theft? by Alereon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Copyright infringement is not theft, but taking people's money for goods and then not providing them is. Are we clear now?

    2. Re:So Copyright Infringement is Not Theft? by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, I doubt they give a shit. The average person neither knows of, nor cares about, licenses. They bought it, its legal in their minds.

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  4. I agree by armanox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    this is the area where piracy really does hurt companies. I am against Microsoft as much as most of slashdot is, but, this is the kind of thing that copyright law is meant to prevent.

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  5. Re:goodhe by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's not what he was saying and you know it. Shut up.

    Yeah yeah, but if you think about it, software used to have a tangible monetary value before the internet, when distribution was costly and the major determinant of market spread was the company's investment in stamping CD's, packaging and delivery. But now the price of shipping software is close to zero. Is this reflected in the price of Microsoft licenses?

    If the market were free to determine the price of software, it would be a very low price. People at large don't see tangible value in something that can be copied at the cost of a couple of joules of electrical energy. They see value in things they just can't get another way, or quality they can't get elsewhere. That's where Apple's business model is somewhat viable, since they go to the effort to make a package that works as advertised that you can't really get anywhere else (OS X is basically inferior on non-Apple hardware and not really worth mass-piracy).

    The Linux vendors survive on providing service and support. There gets a point (mostly for corporations) when it's cheaper to pay the Linux vendor to do things for you than to do it all yourself. That's fair trade.

    Microsoft should be doing the same. Provide Vista free, unencumbered. Let it spread naturally. Sell boxes, sure, but sell them essentially at-cost. Let Microsoft's specialist abilities (software support, live updates etc) be the thing people pay for. The price point should be that at which it's cheaper to pay Microsoft to help you than to go it alone.

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  6. Here is a creative idea by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why not sell Microsoft software at affordable prices so there will be no need of Career Pirates to sell Counterfeit Microsoft software at affordable prices?

    Also how about Pirate Amnesty, where people can trade in their pirated copy of Microsoft software in exchange for a discount on genuine Microsoft software?

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  7. M$.....? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Going through the trouble of counterfeiting Microsoft products is like throught the trouble of counterfeiting a Yugo.

    BTW..... I thought Microsoft was supposed to have solved the problem of pirates with server-side authentication, codes, hologram discs, codes physically imprinted on discs, and Windows Genuine Advantage.

    Guess not.

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  8. Re:goodhe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cost of a product isn't just its marginal cost of production. You also have to cover the costs of design. Perhaps you could charge millions for the first copy, and then charge only the marginal cost for the rest. But it's much more common to amortize the cost over the production run of the product.

  9. Re:goodhe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the market were free to determine the price of software, it would be a very low price. People at large don't see tangible value in something that can be copied at the cost of a couple of joules of electrical energy.

    How is this insightful, and why should someone who ignores the cost of years of development be an economist?

  10. Re:goodhe LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! by Alex+Belits · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why do you need a "popular" application? Popularity of iTunes does not make it any less inferior to Amarok, that is free and provides the same useful functionality on Linux.

    Or do you mean, "popular" applications such as Microsoft Office, that deliberately sabotage compatibility with everything but themselves? Then we are already working on the right solution -- to make those applications, and especially their proprietary formats, unpopular.

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  11. Copyright I can accept by blaimjos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This proves the point I've made again and again: Microsoft just gets it compared to the media industry. You don't sue nobodies who download bootlegs; you sue the people who are actively trying to profit from it. It used to be the same for media. Sueing the little guys over every "illegal" copy being used is short sighted and counter productive. You lose respect from potential costomers, provide motivation to engage in piracy on principle and turn generations against the very idea of copyrights. Microsoft on the other hand creates agreements to provide their software to programming students for free. It gives those who can't afford your software a break and gains their respect. Any preference for Microsoft software later becomes an asset as it encourages future employers to buy licenses for the software. In short, winning people's support and respect by using the laws more reasonably is a better long term solution.

    1. Re:Copyright I can accept by Fluffeh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Microsoft on the other hand creates agreements to provide their software to programming students for free. It gives those who can't afford your software a break and gains their respect. *cough*

      Rather it stops the students from learning other better programming languages. Dirty dirty Microsoft tactics! :P

      In short, winning people's support and respect by using the laws more reasonably is a better long term solution. On a more serious note though, winning people's respect is a better long term solution, but this isn't what is happening. By giving away the software at the start, and having someone know your product, you are not gaining respect. You are gaining a person who knows your product. They may have a preference for using it, but I would balk at anyone wanting to hire a programmer who would change their prospective employee to use whatever language they wanted. Rather, a much more likely scenario would be looking for someone who knows what languages/software YOUR company uses and hiring people with the skills that you want. It's a employer's market out there in the IT world.
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  12. Re:goodhe LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why do you need a "popular" application?

    Because if I you have a question there are lots of real people around that can answer it. Sure linux has great online support, but nothing beats asking your grandkids/kids/friends or being able to phone the number on the box to figure out how to do something.

    And as easy as apt-get is to use, the software that comes on a disk bundled with your new ipod is even easier to find.

    Popularity of iTunes does not make it any less inferior to Amarok, that is free and provides the same useful functionality on Linux.

    That's a load. It is simply not remotely out of the box compatible with an ipod. There are lots of gotchas when using the newest ipods. Amarok doesn't work at all with an iPod touch or iphone unless you jailbreak it and then jump through hoops, and that has its own set of gotchas.

    Sure Amarok might be a pretty robust music player, but its no substitute for itunes given that most of the people running itunes are either using a Mac, or an iPod, or both.

  13. Re:goodhe by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So, well, why do you think you should set the price?

    In a free market, the price of a product is an agreed value negotiated by both buyer and seller.

    In a monopoly, the seller is able to set the price much higher that the true market value. That's why they're called "monopoly rents"

    Microsoft has an estimated 87% profit margin on each Windows sale. Typical profit margins in open industries range around 15%. Since most of Microsoft's profits come from OEM sales at around $50/license, I'd say the OP's offer of $35/license would be generous in a free market.

    This is borne out by the cost of similar products ($0) which are available to buyers who aren't locked into the monopoly by proprietary formats.

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  14. Re:goodhe by rohan972 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the market were free to determine the price of software, it would be a very low price. People at large don't see tangible value in something that can be copied at the cost of a couple of joules of electrical energy.
    How is this insightful, and why should someone who ignores the cost of years of development be an economist?
    Free market economics does not have a mechanism of "fairness" nor does it determine price of a product based on the effort needed to produce it. Price is a function of supply and demand.

    Software that is desired but not yet existing can have a large price, having some demand and a zero current supply, potential supply and therefore price being determined by the number of available programmers capable of writing it and the price they would be willing to accept to write it (being affected by the effort required). In such a case, the price would need to be determined by contract before releasing the software.

    Software that already exists has an effectively unlimited supply and therefore approaches zero in price, given an unregulated market. Whether you see this as a positive or negative is subjective and dependant on your philosophy. There is evident dissatisfaction with the current regulated market, but there is no unregulated market currently existing (that I am aware of) to display a superior result.

    Purely in terms of economic theory (which often has a tenuous relationship to reality) it is true the price of an already existing product that is infinitely copyable approaches zero regardless of development cost, as development cost no longer affects supply.
  15. Re:goodhe LOLOLOLOLOL!!!! by JasterBobaMereel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    iTunes is tied to iPod and tied to iTunes service - they are made deliberately incompatible with anything else ....

    This is what proprietary means

    Is an iPod the best MP3 player ... debateable
    Is iTunes the best interface for an MP3 player - many think not
    Is the iTunes service ideal ... no

    Only together are they the (current) best solution

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