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Westinghouse Commits to Green Plug's Universal A.C. Adapter

Ian Lamont writes "Westinghouse is the first major electronics manufacturer that has publicly committed to using a 'smart power technology' that will let people use a single universal adapter to power their laptops, cell phones and other electronics. The universal adapters, which use a technology developed by a startup called Green Plug, will act like a hub that several devices can plug into, and will also shut off the power supply when the device is turned off or has finished charging. The first are expected to go on sale in early 2009 for under $100, according to Westinghouse's CTO. Eventually, Westinghouse and other manufacturers that use the technology could stop shipping adapters with their products, because customers may already have universal adapters at home. However, some manufacturers may not be inclined to use universal power adapters: the article notes Apple gets supplementary revenue from the sale of proprietary connectors for the iPod and other devices."

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  1. This is going nowhere. by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The cost to add the technology to a company's device is listed as US$2. The cost for a company to produce their own wall wart in China...probably less than US$2....and no licensing fees to worry about and no worries that the customer might not have a charger. This idea is going nowhere.

    In this case, I think the Chinese government actually got it right. They've forced all cell phone manufacturers to provide a USB port for charging the phones. Seems like a reasonable standard to me.

    Cheers,

    1. Re:This is going nowhere. by Technician · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Of the electronic items retired every year, 1/4 of them seem to be cell phones. What is also needed is mandantory unlocking of phones when the initial 2 year contract is over. How many phones are tossed simply because it won't work with your new carrier. Often people change carriers when they move because coverage sucks and another carrier works in that area. Now you have a phone to retire, not transfer. Think how much in cell charges we could save with a bring your own phone plan. A good portion of a 2 year contract cost is in a throw away phone.

      This is bad for consumers and bad for the environment. Locked cell phones after the intial subsidised plan expired should be illegal. It should be legal to take a phone free from a plan and subscribe it anywhere.

      Traveling overseas often means buying a local phone to avoid extreeme roaming charges, where a sim card for your trip should be all that is needed to take advantage of calling plans overseas.

      Having a phone for home and one for abroad is crazy. Taking a phone aborad and paying roaming fees is crazy. Pre-ordering a SIM card should be the way things are done, but locked phones prevent it.

      I noticed Cellular Toys is now selling unlocked phones. When my contract is up, I'm looking into it.

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    2. Re:This is going nowhere. by ximenes · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Consider that unlocking a phone is just the first step. Frequencies differ between carriers and countries. For instance, a 3G ATT phone uses the 1900MHz band while a 3G T-Mobile phone uses 1700MHz.

      Then theres CDMA carriers like Verizon and Sprint, which are totally incompatible with the GSM carriers.

      In a nutshell cell phones suck and there are a lot of reasons why phones wind up in landfills.

    3. Re:This is going nowhere. by chill · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a couple of Motorola phones that will not charge under WinXP unless the Motorola software is installed. On Linux it just charges away. I have no problem with generic wall chargers.

      I think it has to do with the way WinXP decides if it is safe to send power over the line or not.

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    4. Re:This is going nowhere. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Don't they simply output the power laid out by the USB spec? iPod Touches require a non standard USB charger that outputs 2.5V on the data lines as well as the usual 5V.

      I have an Apple ipod charger, just a wallwart with a usb port. My brother can also plug his Sansa USB cable into it and charge it with the same adapter just fine. Yes, but you couldn't charge your Apple from a Sansa USB charger becuse it's designed not to work.
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    5. Re:This is going nowhere. by hairyfeet · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Or you could donate it which could help save a woman's life. I have done this with several of my cell phones in the past and this way it can help someone instead of ending up more waste. But until we settle on one protocol for cell phones unlocking it wouldn't be as big a help as you think. But that is my 02c,YMMV

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    6. Re:This is going nowhere. by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Hal Porter said:
      The computer will supply at least 5V 500mA to a device before it enumerates.
      and got moderated Informative for it.

      I don't know who did this moderating, but it must be someone who, like Hal Porter, does not know the USB spec.

      A USB device may only draw 100 mA before it is enumerated.
      When it is enumerated, it may negotiate more power with the driver, up to a maximum of 500 mA.
      When it is connected via a USB-powered hub, the driver will decline this request, and current stays 100 mA max. I know what the spec says, I'm just pointing out that a PC won't enforce that 100mA limit for the excellent reason that loads of devices use USB just as a handy 5V supply and don't have the necessary smarts to enumerate.

      If it did enforce it, people would return it as incompatible with this sort of device.

      And that's really the point here. The spec isn't the whole story and most USB hosts were designed by people who wanted to maximize compatibility with devices that skirt the rules rather than robotically enforce "ze rules" and then tell users they were idiots for not understanding the spec. It's like something out of theoldnewthing really. The user doesn't know the spec, they just buy cheap USB gizmos. And cheap USB devices will most likely work like this because they don't need a microcontroller. Telling the user you won't support their device and they were an idiot for buying it is just being a jobsworth.

      Otherwise, you could draw 2A from any USB port by simply connecting 4 devices through a hub. Ok that's a different case. A non powered hub may well limit downstream power, so USB hard drives won't work if you connect them to it. Or the PC will detect overcurrent and disable the port. Or you'll end running the host port way outside its max power rating. This is a place where it would be correct to enforce the rules because not doing so may actually destroy the host.

      Enforcing the "100mA before enumeration" rule is silly though and that's why no USB host I have seen does it.
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  2. Great Idea. by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Have been saying this for years. For 120 AC power there's a standard plug. Why do I have to have a dozen different transformer bricks underneath my desk to power all of my computer, network, and phone stuff?

  3. Stupid Idea! More Power Standardization Instead! by logicnazi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now I'm all for standardizing connectors when it's possible to also standardize voltage and other power charachteristics but frankly this just seems like a really bad idea.

    For starters each green plug power source is likely to be larger and bulkier than a power supply that operates at a single set of charachteristics. Given that the devices that require these power supplies are usually mobile that means it just got heavier to lug your mobile phone charger on vacation. Now you might hope that in total you would save on power supplies because you could share one power source between multiple devices. But if you only bring one power supply on your trip that means you can't leave your laptop charging in your hotel room/friend's house while taking your cell phone charger with for the day.

    In short flexibility will require we still own a power supply for each device not to mention the point made in the article that each vendor is still going to want to ship a power source with their item. It seems to me a better idea is to standardize on a few power profiles and connectors instead so we can simply use more power supplies interchangeably without making them support multiple voltages.

    In particular it seems best if we standardized on one connector (like the great apple magnetic one) for laptop type devices and the settled on powering the small devices through the USB standard like the iphone and other cell phones. Not only does your power cable now double as a data cable but we've saved on all the excess effort that would have gone into making smart power sources offering multiple voltages.

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  4. Re:Amp Standard? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You are correct. Just as you can get "USB" wallwart and car adapter chargers that put out an amp or more, there is no need for an upper limit. The trick is setting the minimum amperage that a source must supply, which would also be the maximum aperage that a client may expect(unless admittedly nonstandard). I'm not familiar enough with the engineering to know what a reasonable value for that is. I'd guess 2A or so; but that is purely off the cuff.

  5. Re:Stupid Idea! More Power Standardization Instead by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    if we make them standard, hotels and other places will already have one available! Sure, we might need wall-warts available for just one plug, but it would be the exception.. and everybody would have one!

    It's not about the "plugs" it's about the wasted power of plugged in things that aren't being used. The trouble with Wall-warts is they are stupid and drizzle power the entire time they are plugged in, even without a device attached. What do we do? we buy and extra to take on the road, so we don't have to crawl under our desks and unplug them... so we have 5 wall-warts running with no devices all day!! That's what this product is trying to eliminate because it will shut as much power circuitry as possible when the device is not used.

  6. if it's patented... by speedtux · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If this is patented, then it's doomed to fail. And a little startup together with Westinghouse doesn't sound like a good beginning. To get this off the ground, they need several laptop and cell phone manufacturers.