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GE Microbes Make Ersatz Crude Oil From Many Sources

polymath69 writes "According to The Times Online, genetically modified microbes have been developed capable of turning surplus material such as wood chips, sugarcane, or others, not into ethanol, but into a substance which could substitute directly for crude oil. They claim it could be sold for about $50/bbl, and the production process would be carbon negative."

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  1. Re:Public perception by tomalpha · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not likely...

    True, but since when has rational debate held sway in the realm of reporting science stories?

  2. Re:Why talk by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

    Uh, the GE stands for Genetically Engineered, not General Electric....

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  3. Re:Why talk by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Informative

    Many fringe energy sources have become cost competitive with geological oil since it more than quadrupled in price. What will be interesting is how the oil giants respond to this competition. And the increased viability of alternative fuels seems to be a playing a role in scaring the Saudis into ramping up production.
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  4. Re:Great by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Informative

    Insightful, huh? TFA, and even TFS, clearly say they won't be using crops, but agricultural waste.

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  5. You will only shit pure gold ... by DrYak · · Score: 5, Informative

    E.Coli, usually harmless etc, commonly found in the gut and able to survive brief periods outside it's normal (animal intestine) environment. So if this escaped into the wild, and you accidentally consumed a small amount {...} {...} you will suddenly find OPEC representative knocking at your door, ready to pay you $WADS_OF_CASH for the privilege of processing your toilet's waste !

    {...} each time you go to the "throne", you will be literally sitting on a gold mine !

    {...} some /.ers tend to pulling numbers out of your ass, you will be pulling millions out of yours !

    {...} you will be the living final proof that a turd, given enough polishing, could indeed be a golden turd !

    {...} some people pee on their car to unfreeze the keylock on cold morning, you would do it to fill the tank !

    etc, ad nauseam.

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    Ok. Scatological jokes aside : as E. Coli is a comensal bacteria, our body have evolved and got used to have it inside. We naturally have lots of means to control the important and diverse population of bacteria living in our guts - including having an immune system that keeps the bacteria on the "outside" side of the gut and not entering inside the body itself and including already having an amazing amount of bacteria already living there and leaving less free place for new comers.

    The only exception if one of the newcomer specie that comes into the gut is producing some toxin (food poisoning is actually due to the toxin, not the bacteria themselves. Often the bacteria don't survive digestion or are already dead to begin with - that's why charcoal and yeast are more efficient than antibiotics to handle them).
    This GE bacteria is simply fermenting garbage into something that looks like oil. You may develop a mild diarrhoea, but there aren't horrible self-digesting-into-a-small-pile-of-gunk short-term risks of having oil in your guts, and the usual defences will take care that it all stays in the gut.

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  6. Re:Looks interesting, but... by ozmanjusri · · Score: 4, Informative
    What's the waste?

    Cell walls tend to make up between 15 and 30% of the dry mass of an organism.

    The composition of it depends on what type of organism they use. Plant cells would result in cellulose waste, yeast cells, protein and chitinous material, bacteria would most likely be polysaccharides or lipids.

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  7. Re:Peak oil... by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, the old peak oil spectre. Ya know, in the 1920's people thought that we would run out of oil in 20 years. Then there was a glut. People thought we were going to run out of oil in the 1970s. Then there was a glut. The life-index of oil (reserves/production) in 1948 was 20.5 years. In 1973 it was 32.2 years. In 2005 it was 38 years. We are not anywhere near peak oil, nor are we going to begin running out of oil anytime soon, not in our lifetime not in our children's lifetime.

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  8. Re:Public perception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    lab E. coli strains != pathogenic E. coli

    I work w/ lab E. coli every day and have never gotten sick from it and I'm sure I've ingested a few of them in my lifetime.

  9. Re:Peak oil... by The+Master+Control+P · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, except it's happened provably in two places and it's now happening to the world as a whole.

    Starting in 1974, oil output from Texas oil fields began declining 4-ish percent per year. Despite the deployment of every available technology and minimal to almost no drilling restrictions, the decline continues. The same thing happened in the North Sea in 2000: Production peaked, and now production there has been falling about 4 to 5 percent per year for 8 years.

    At this time, there is virtually no spare capacity in the middle east to pump more oil. Any that they can bring online will go more to covering rapid declines in North Sea output than increasing supply. The Saudis were hoping to increase production by about 1.2 million barrels/day this year, and it looks as if they'll be doing damn well to get another 500 thousand; We're looking at a loss next year.

    The peak is real and most likely imminent.

  10. Re:Looks interesting, but... by locofungus · · Score: 3, Informative

    Solution to the current bubble: When the contract becomes due, pull up to the trader's office with a tanker truck and flood the building with the crude. That'll teach'em not to speculate.

    Erm.... That's what happens.

    Most of the time, the speculator closes out his contract before delivery, i.e. he finds someone else who wants delivery (or who is contracted to deliver but doesn't have any oil).

    But occasionally the speculator gets caught with his pants down. On the third of October 2006, the spot price for Natural Gas in the UK went negative. There were people contracted to take delivery of the gas and they had to pay someone else to take it off their hands.

    Tim.

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  11. Re:If? by rho · · Score: 3, Informative

    IMHO we would have got here a lot sooner if we hadn't laughed Gore off the stage and I suspect progress will increase exponentially when Obama takes over.

    That's an appeal to magic. Replace "Gore" with "God" and you're a fundamentalist.

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  12. Re:Great by Ihlosi · · Score: 3, Informative
    "wood chips" and "grass cuttings," and plant waste in general go back into the soil's cycle, are processed by billions of organisms, and turned into nutrients for the plants. If we take this "waste" to make oil, what's going to feed the plants? Chemical fertilizers, made from... Oil ?

    Erm ... holy false dichotomy, once again.

    There's no law that says if we start this process, we need to feed 100% of our agricultural waste into it, thereby depriving out soil of nutrients. We can figure out how much we need to feed back into the soil, and how much we can turn into fuel.