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GE Microbes Make Ersatz Crude Oil From Many Sources

polymath69 writes "According to The Times Online, genetically modified microbes have been developed capable of turning surplus material such as wood chips, sugarcane, or others, not into ethanol, but into a substance which could substitute directly for crude oil. They claim it could be sold for about $50/bbl, and the production process would be carbon negative."

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  1. Why talk by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they are right then they are instant Billionaires, if the process really worked they would be commercializing it and completely destabilizing OPEC. I'll believe it when I see it and the world will be rejoicing.

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    1. Re:Why talk by jamesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no benefit for the oil companies to develop and market an alternative technology until all the oil is gone.

      Are you kidding? If they can make oil using an alternate technology for cheaper than they can get oil out of the ground then there is every benefit. They could _bury_ the competition!

      1. Discover alternate technology
      2. Sell off existing oil assets while the alternate technology is unknown
      3. Pay politicians (using funds from step 2) to outlaw the use of crude oil extracted from the ground.
      4. Profit!
    2. Re:Why talk by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no benefit for the oil companies to develop and market an alternative technology until all the oil is gone.
      Holy false dichotomy, Batman! There's no reason they can't sell both.

      If an alternative technology becomes commercially viable the remaining oil reserves become nearly worthless.
      Depends how close to crude the substitute is. It may be OK for fuel, but not useless as a feedstock for plastic production. Most oil companies have considerable downstream assets too.
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  2. that's the ideal by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    obviously, solar energy is the ultimate renewable energy source

    the ideal though is not to store or transmit that eletrically, but chemically (storage density, thermodynamic efficiency, etc)

    i'm looking for the guy who turns poor fishermen in the philippines and indonesia (or anywhere access to shallow seas is easy) into the next sultans of brunei:

    1. give them a bunch of specailly shaped clear plastic jugs, mini floating stills
    2. they put a little gm algae inside the jugs
    3. they throw the jugs in the ocean with anchors
    4. they come back a month later, pick up the jugs
    5. they are processed dockside directly into octane, in a low-tech facility

    the guy, or gal, who figures out how to get algae to directly produce octane saves the world from itself geopolitically, environmentally, developmentally. then we have enough breathing room to master fusion

    right now, the world is in an energy crunch. we will have more wars, the environment will suffer, there will be more poverty, until we get our act together on a truly large scale renewable energy source. too much renewable energy sources look at so far have been boutique, things that can never scale up

    the cheap dig-it-out-of-the-ground era is over. oh of course, there's still more of it to dig out. its just too damn deep, and getting deeper every day, to call it cheap anymore

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  3. Re:Great by BarneyL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed, wouldn't it be terrible if everyone stopped sending their wood chips and grass cuttings to the starving in the third world and started turning them into oil instead.

  4. Re:Everlasting Lightbulb? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not likely. Oil companies need crude. International oil companies only hold about 8% of worls reserves; they are captial rich and resource poor, being limited mostly by poor host country infrastructure, quotas, and production capacities. If this new crude is available at $50/barrel, why wouldn't they buy it? They've been diversifying for years, getting into solar, natural gas, wind, and other industries.

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  5. Re:Looks interesting, but... by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    When a commodities trader buys oil contracts, he's part of the demand, even though he has no intention of consuming the oil.

    Solution to the current bubble: When the contract becomes due, pull up to the trader's office with a tanker truck and flood the building with the crude. That'll teach'em not to speculate.

  6. Re:Wrong, its so valuable because it is scarce by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Did I mention something about downstream assets? Well that's the retailing and distribution networks. There's still a good profit to be made there. The mere existence of those chains is a barrier to entry and even if oil can be made in a vat, it'd probably make sense for the manufacturer to sell it via an existing company, rather than build their own duplicate distribution system.

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  7. Re:Wrong, its so valuable because it is scarce by Firethorn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thing is, we're running out of oil that's easy(IE cheap) to extract. If Exxon either developed or bought and commercialized a patented process that produced an analogue to light sweet crude* for $50/barrel, they'd clean up. They'd rather expand and exploit that process than risk billions in new deep off shore oil platforms, which wouldn't be able to pull up oil for less than $50/barrel anyways. Or dealing with other countries where they have to worry about the government of the country nationalizing the rigs.

    *I know, it wouldn't be exact, but most of the artificialy generated stuff I've heard about is actually easier to refine into stuff. Heck, as I understand it the oil resulting from thermal depolymerization can pretty much be poured straight into a diesel engine.

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