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GE Microbes Make Ersatz Crude Oil From Many Sources

polymath69 writes "According to The Times Online, genetically modified microbes have been developed capable of turning surplus material such as wood chips, sugarcane, or others, not into ethanol, but into a substance which could substitute directly for crude oil. They claim it could be sold for about $50/bbl, and the production process would be carbon negative."

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  1. Why talk by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they are right then they are instant Billionaires, if the process really worked they would be commercializing it and completely destabilizing OPEC. I'll believe it when I see it and the world will be rejoicing.

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    1. Re:Why talk by ozmanjusri · · Score: 5, Interesting
      if the process really worked they would be commercializing it and completely destabilizing OPEC.

      The process is likely to work, though scaling up may be a problem, but they're very unlikely to have the field to themselves.

      There are a lot of companies looking at similar ways of producing fuels. Sapphire Energy claims to be able to make 91 octane gasoline directly from sunlight, CO2 and algae.

      Many fringe energy sources have become cost competitive with geological oil since it more than quadrupled in price. What will be interesting is how the oil giants respond to this competition.

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    2. Re:Why talk by afidel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh, the GE stands for Genetically Engineered, not General Electric....

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    3. Re:Why talk by SnowZero · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah, but they both "bring good things to life".

    4. Re:Why talk by Hognoxious · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is no benefit for the oil companies to develop and market an alternative technology until all the oil is gone.
      Holy false dichotomy, Batman! There's no reason they can't sell both.

      If an alternative technology becomes commercially viable the remaining oil reserves become nearly worthless.
      Depends how close to crude the substitute is. It may be OK for fuel, but not useless as a feedstock for plastic production. Most oil companies have considerable downstream assets too.
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    5. Re:Why talk by heritage727 · · Score: 5, Funny

      What will be interesting is how the oil giants respond to this competition.

      DMCA takedown notices?
  2. Re:Great by BarneyL · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Indeed, wouldn't it be terrible if everyone stopped sending their wood chips and grass cuttings to the starving in the third world and started turning them into oil instead.

  3. Re:Everlasting Lightbulb? by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not likely. Oil companies need crude. International oil companies only hold about 8% of worls reserves; they are captial rich and resource poor, being limited mostly by poor host country infrastructure, quotas, and production capacities. If this new crude is available at $50/barrel, why wouldn't they buy it? They've been diversifying for years, getting into solar, natural gas, wind, and other industries.

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  4. Re:Public perception by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh yeah, time for Stephen King to right a new book.

    He's wronged so many of his last books that it would be a good idea regardless.

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  5. If? by DeanFox · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If they are right then they are instant Billionaires, if the process really worked they would be commercializing it and completely destabilizing OPEC. I'll believe it when I see it and the world will be rejoicing. Oh they're right and they will be billionaires but not instant. They've been working on this for years, invested 10's of millions of dollars and took huge risks. The American way (and dream). They're planning their first production sites within 2 years.

    This technology has been around for awhile although biofuels usually produce ethanol. Just a molecular side chain away from what these guys came up with. They get 1 barrel from 40sq feet of space. At our current rate of 143 million barrels a week it would take 205 sq miles of manufacturing plants to satisfy our current needs. About the size of Chicago. Probably about the same square footage it you total up all the Walmarts. Very doable.

    They got us here in spite of all the government roadblocks. IMHO we would have got here a lot sooner if we hadn't laughed Gore off the stage and I suspect progress will increase exponentially when Obama takes over.

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  6. Re:that's the ideal by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Funny

    obviously, solar energy is the ultimate renewable energy source

    Actually, there's already a way to turn solar energy into crude oil : grow plants, bury dead plants deep underground, wait several millions years, extract oil.

    You do realize oil *is* solar energy right?

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  7. You will only shit pure gold ... by DrYak · · Score: 5, Informative

    E.Coli, usually harmless etc, commonly found in the gut and able to survive brief periods outside it's normal (animal intestine) environment. So if this escaped into the wild, and you accidentally consumed a small amount {...} {...} you will suddenly find OPEC representative knocking at your door, ready to pay you $WADS_OF_CASH for the privilege of processing your toilet's waste !

    {...} each time you go to the "throne", you will be literally sitting on a gold mine !

    {...} some /.ers tend to pulling numbers out of your ass, you will be pulling millions out of yours !

    {...} you will be the living final proof that a turd, given enough polishing, could indeed be a golden turd !

    {...} some people pee on their car to unfreeze the keylock on cold morning, you would do it to fill the tank !

    etc, ad nauseam.

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    Ok. Scatological jokes aside : as E. Coli is a comensal bacteria, our body have evolved and got used to have it inside. We naturally have lots of means to control the important and diverse population of bacteria living in our guts - including having an immune system that keeps the bacteria on the "outside" side of the gut and not entering inside the body itself and including already having an amazing amount of bacteria already living there and leaving less free place for new comers.

    The only exception if one of the newcomer specie that comes into the gut is producing some toxin (food poisoning is actually due to the toxin, not the bacteria themselves. Often the bacteria don't survive digestion or are already dead to begin with - that's why charcoal and yeast are more efficient than antibiotics to handle them).
    This GE bacteria is simply fermenting garbage into something that looks like oil. You may develop a mild diarrhoea, but there aren't horrible self-digesting-into-a-small-pile-of-gunk short-term risks of having oil in your guts, and the usual defences will take care that it all stays in the gut.

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  8. Re:Public perception by Grimbleton · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nah, this story needs some rampant sexual innuendo, pedophilia, and themes that would give serial rapists nightmares. Let's see... Is Piers Anthony in the middle of anything at the moment?

  9. Re:Public perception by aurispector · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Tangentially, you may be interested to know that when the post office was going to murder all of us with anthrax and the media was trumpeting on about how Cipro was our only hope, a quick look at a the literature revealed that doxycycline is both 1) equally effective and 2) no longer covered by patent and about a hundred times cheaper.

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  10. Re:OMFG by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 5, Funny

    can i say now that water is wet and get modded informative too?


    Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the temperature. Water isn't really very wet at, say, 0 degrees Kelvin.

  11. The latest in a long line... by Herger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There are a number of biomass-to-fuel technologies in the prototype to production stage, many of which have been featured on Slashdot in the past. Here's a sample:

    Changing World Technologies (http://www.changingworldtech.com/) -- high-pressure non-catalytic conversion of biomass to Diesel fuel -- prototype online in Missouri
    Range Fuels (http://www.rangefuels.com/) -- cellulose -> syngas -> blended alcohol -- proven, 20-million-gallon/year plant under construction in Soperton, GA
    AlphaKat (http://www.alphakat.de/) -- biomass/plastics -> Diesel fuel via metal-catalyzed high-temp, high-pressure reaction. Plants under construction across Europe
    MagneGas (http://www.magnegas.com/) -- sewage(!) -> natural gas + surplus heat via electrolytic conversion -- you can buy or rent a working production unit from their web site

    I note that all of the above use a high-temperature, high-pressure reaction process to produce fuel. The GE process has the advantage over the first three in that it can handle water better than the first three processes above (IIRC, most Fischer-Tropsch type plants have a low tolerance for water in the reaction vessel, which is bad for biomass conversion unless you spend energy to dry it first. E.g. AlphaKat says their process doesn't work with more than 12% water by weight). The other major advantage is that fermentation typically occurs under more gentle and manageable conditions, i.e. near room temperature, near atmospheric pressure and aqueous rather than solvent/metal-catalyst based. However, the down side of their process is that it's not self-contained and not truly carbon-negative unless you use plant biomass as a feedstock, though if you grew algae in an adjacent tank you could probably use that as your feedstock and harvest CO2 from the air. Actually that would be an ideal solution because you could genetically tune your algae to have a specific composition and tune your fermenter bacteria/yeast to efficiently break down your algae. Hopefully that will be in the next phase of this project. Though we'll probably have to make do with catalyst- and pressure-converted biomass until these guys can perfect their process.