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FCC Revises Broadband Penetration Metrics

Posted by kdawson on from the end-of-a-long-running-joke dept.

joelt49 writes "Ars Technica reports that the FCC has revised its broadband penetration metric. Previously, if only one subscriber in a zip code received connectivity at 200 Kbps, then the entire zip code was considered to have broadband access. Now, the FCC will count the number of subscribers in census tracts. The FCC has also revised its definition of broadband; previously, it was anything over 200 Kbps. Now, speeds between 200 and 768 Kbps are considered 'First-Generation' broadband, and speeds up to 1.5 Mbps are considered 'Basic' broadband." Unfortunately, the FCC has decided to keep all this new data to themselves.

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  1. How can they keep this secret? by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't the FCC a federal agency, subject to FOIA? It's not like they can label such basic data as a state secret or something.

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    1. Re:How can they keep this secret? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you had to change your penetration metrics, would you advertise it? What if the change in metrics show that you cannot penetrate as far, or for as long as you used to? What if they show that you don't penetrate as much as your European or, worse, Asian counterparts?

      No, this is very much justified.

    2. Re:How can they keep this secret? by digitrev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm calling strawman. People are being at best misinformed, at worst outright lied to with the current classification data. You ask why should they give Joe Blow the data? I say for the ability to make an informed decision. More importantly though, why do they feel the need to keep this information private?

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    3. Re:How can they keep this secret? by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, but I think they have pills you can take for that now.

    4. Re:How can they keep this secret? by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, can you imagine the nightmarish Orwelian scenario where citizens wouldn't know how the FCC classified their broadband access in their area?

      It's entirely possible that knowing the classification may not help, any more than "Sucks" can be considered an improvement over "Really Sucks", or even "Holy Batman This Really Sucks!".

    5. Re:How can they keep this secret? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I ask why the federal government needs to provide such information. Why can't Joe Blow find this information out on his own
      Because the government is the people. Joe Blow did find this information - he paid the government to do it. "The government" doesn't pay for anything, the people do. Unless there's a compelling national security reason to keep it secret, the data belongs to the people and should be made available to them. You can argue the FCC shouldn't have compiled this data. But once they do compile it, it rightfully belongs to the people.
    6. Re:How can they keep this secret? by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Isn't the FCC a federal agency, subject to FOIA? It's not like they can label such basic data as a state secret or something. It's not a State Secret, it's proprietary business information.
      The companies have obviously made a compelling argument for keeping that information confidential.

      As a Federal Agency, the FCC can ask for proprietary information & trade secrets, but they cannot disseminate that information to the public.

      It's pretty straight forward explanation that doesn't require anyone to get riled up.
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    7. Re:How can they keep this secret? by digitrev · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Fair enough, keep trade secrets a secret. That's reasonable. But how on earth do you spin broadband penetration into being a trade secret? They just don't want people to know how much money's been squandered.

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    8. Re:How can they keep this secret? by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Vote accordingly."

      That's the whole purpose of my discussing it here. To persuade others to vote and think accordingly.

    9. Re:How can they keep this secret? by aero6dof · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Because the government is the people. Joe Blow did find this information - he paid the government to do it."

      And what about Jane Blow who does not want to pay the government to find out that information? What choice does she have?

      One has the same choices as anyone else - talk to your representatives. Beyond that, you also have the opportunity to work within the political system to elect a representative who more closely matches your values.

      Or, you could fall in with the fringe tax protestor crowd that wants so badly to believe that they don't actually have to pay taxes - maybe you could ask Wesley Snipes how that's going...

    10. Re:How can they keep this secret? by glittalogik · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't stress, your penetration metrics might still be enough for old people in Korea.

    11. Re:How can they keep this secret? by mobets · · Score: 2, Informative

      Much like the sibling post:
      If inaccurate information about internet connectivity is used as a basis of selecting an area of residence, by the time you are using the service, it is much too late to do anything about it.

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  2. no! by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny

    The F in FCC stands for fsck!

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  3. Obama, please prove your platform by rsborg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Once the Obama administration comes in and sets the white house in order, a good indicator that he's keeping his campaign promises would be the opening of this kind of data (if the FCC doesn't see the light beforehand).

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    1. Re:Obama, please prove your platform by digitrev · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps it's just my political cynicism showing through, but I personally doubt he'll keep many of his promises, except the really big ones that the news will pick up on. And don't count on a bureaucracy of censors and critics enacting any sort of self improvement. And let's be honest, that's what the FCC is.

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  4. Max? Peak-time? Sustained? Up? Down? by Bob9113 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    768 Kbps are considered 'First-Generation' broadband, and speeds up to 1.5 Mbps are considered 'Basic' broadband.

    Hello, cable operators, how you doin? I see the FCC is still fondling your genitals.

    So - is that maximum speed? Typical speed at peak time? How about sustained speed before you get your account cancelled?

    How about this - is that up or down? It's the friggin' Internet - it's supposed to be bidirectional, remember?

    Good to see the FCC was willing to look past all that and just write what the cable operators told them to write.

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    1. Re:Max? Peak-time? Sustained? Up? Down? by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What if the speed they reported is the lowest transfer speed (up or down) that could be obtained continuously for a month?

      5GB cap upload? Max reported speed can't be more than: 16 kbps.

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  5. STOP by Rezonant · · Score: 5, Funny
    PLEASE KEEP IN MIND THAT SOME OF US ARE STILL ON TLGRPH STOP YOU INSENSITIVE CLODS STOP

    (yeah yeah. lameness filter. yeah yeah.) Some more antilameness filter. And some more. There is also the issue of the antilameness filter. It really sucks.

  6. Joe Blow is paying for the information... by tjstork · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Hey, if the government is putting together a report for its own purposes, and there's no state secret involved, there's really no reason to NOT publish the data...

    Joe Blow is paying a pretty good chunk of taxes for this report. Indeed, given that the government is in debt such that each and every American is at least 20k in hoc, the least the FCC can do is publish the report it already paid for. Is it really cost that much to put a link on its web site and upload it?

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  7. A few good points. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny
    Slashdot: I want the data.

    FCC: You can't handle the data

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  8. in addition... by ILuvRamen · · Score: 3, Informative

    And they've labeled cable broadband like 7000-8000kbps Road Runner as "real broadband." Hey here's an even better idea. For those "basic broadband" numbers, they should if people are actually getting 1.5mbps or if they're dipping into the "first generation" category in actual speeds. I don't know one single DSL provider that ever gives remotely close to what they promise as a top speed.

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    1. Re:in addition... by wagnerrp · · Score: 2, Informative

      My DSL line is rated at (up to) 5M/768k. My modem is currently trained at 5120Kbps/952Kbps. Speedtest just gave me 4481Kbps/777Kbps at 8ms. I've seen as high as 4500Kbps/815Kbps (as reported by MRTG).

  9. I wish the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I wish the FCC required all ISPs to provide the following information, as part of some truth in advertising rule...

    Maximum RAW data speed (up/down)
    Average RAW speed off peak ours (up/down)
    Average RAW speed on peak ours (up/down)
    Average ping to first backbone on peak
    average ping to backbone off peak

    Then I could make a real broadband decision based on merits rather than the pictures of pretty people that the marketing folks decide to put on the websites.

  10. Insightful? by scipiodog · · Score: 2, Funny

    +5 Insightful? I actually thought that OP was going for the "Funny" mod. Especially the first line:

    Once the Obama administration comes in and sets the white house in order

    That part had me in stitches...

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