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A Few Firefox 3 Followups
An anonymous reader writes "Using data generated by the Mozilla Firefox download pledge page, the map on this blog post ranks countries, not by absolute number of pledges made, but rather on a per capita basis. This analysis yields some interesting conclusions about where open source is strongest and weakest."
Anonymous Warthog writes "That didn't take long. In a blog posting from the TippingPoint DVLabs security team (of Kraken and CanSecWest hacking contest fame), they confirmed that they reported a vulnerability in Firefox 3.0 to Mozilla a mere five hours after it was released. Additionally, there was a posting on the Full Disclosure security mailing list from someone that purports to have another vulnerability in the works as well. In the grand scheme of things, this probably means nothing to the general security of Firefox, but you can be sure the browser zealots on all sides will be watching carefully."
Finally, from reader Toreo asesino: "Microsoft have congratulated the Mozilla team by sending them their second cake (minus recipe) to Mozilla's Mountain View headquarters to congratulate them on shipping FireFox 3, which went live right on time last night." Congratulations are indeed due on both the browser and the release process — looks like the Firefox fever (despite some seriously taxed servers) resulted in more than 8 million downloads in 24 hours.
Don't bash it if you haven't used it. FF3 will do it's best to migrate all the add-ons and stuff you have on FF2. If the add-on isn't compatible, it will tell you when it is.
The map referred to in the summary is already slashdotted - that, or I'm having troubles with my internet connection. Both are equally likely...
Admit it. You post strawman arguments as AC so you get modded Insightful for refuting them, rather than Troll
Well, I went to law school, and it just sort of got dropped as a priority during that time :)
Perhaps it'll return one day -- or not.
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
My guess is this is a record for a complete application downloads in a day, rather than patches or add-ons.
As in, it's supposedly unique people choosing to download the setup package, and presumably running setup thereafter - not some automated installation.
throw new NoSignatureException();
Amen to that. Too many apps distributed in tar.gz format have no instructions with them (or on the website). How hard is it to include the following lines of instructions (preferably near the download link):
1. First you should check your OS repositories to ensure you cannot install this program via that method. Search for: blah
2. If the program is not available in your distro's repositories (or you desire a newer version)
a. Download the following tar.gz file to your HDD
b. Move the downloaded file to the location you wish to install it
c. Open a command window and type:
blah -xyz filname.....
3. To launch the program type "blah"
About your 2nd question though. I would go ahead and select "Bookmarks" -> "Bookmark all tabs" and save them in 1 folder. Then if it works and your session is still there you just need to delete that folder. Else, just go to your bookmarks and right click on the folder you created and select "Open all in tabs".
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Speaking of internet browsing, Opera 9.50 just came out as well. Has full text history search and my favorite feature...Opera Sync. I opened 10 of the same internet sites with Opera and Firefox 3 and compared the memory imprint, FF3 was 10 mb greater. Opera was already configured to grab a ton of my RSS feeds, so I believe without RSS feeds bein pulled 9.50 could have had a good 20 mb on ff3.
Just wanted to shed some light on a lesser known, but in my opinion, very good browser.
Trying to install linux on my microwave, but keep getting a kernel panic...
Oh, 8 million all set to exploit? What was the marketshare for Windows again? 91.13% according to Wikipedia. Now figuring that there are around 1.2 billion Internet users which figures to at least that many computer users. I would have to say that the odds are higher of exploiting one of the many flaws in IE which is slower to patch and who's users are computer newbies. With Firefox whenever a toolbar somehow pops up most people know something bad has happened, with IE it is seen as "just something a computer does". Oh and don't forget OS versions, I bet that a lot of the people downloading it were Linux/Mac users and they are harder to exploit to run malicious code on (yes you can destroy the home directory and perhaps add in a keylogger but that is about it).
Taxation is legalized theft, no more, no less.
see the cached page:
http://eaves.ca.nyud.net:8090/2008/06/18/firefox-pledge-map-pledges-as-a-of-population/
Math is beautiful... e^(pi*i)+1=0
Buyers for computer parts often have to keep lots of tabs open.
Anyone doing research that cannot be finished immediately needs to keep tabs open.
Corale cache worked for me, but it seems sluggish now.
downloaded version
Lameness filter prevented me from pasting in the text.
The RPMs for the version required by FF3 are only available for FC7 and newer. EL4 is based on FC3. In the world of stable OSes, that's pretty new.
You've posted references to or versions of this little diatribe three times in this thread. This is rather tiring, because the only reference I see you making to any actual Bugzilla entries is in a post from over two years ago. Of the two bugs you reference in that post, one is marked "fixed" and the other "invalid".
Now normally I would request that you either give us links to actual bugs that are outstanding. But I'm not going to do that, because I know you can't be objective when discussing this issue.
How do I know this? Because the bug marked "invalid" appears to be submitted by you. Thus I suspect that your vitriol for the Firefox/Mozilla people is a personal response to feeling scorned or something, and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with someone who argues because they had their feelings hurt and therefore holds an irrational grudge about something.
So just don't use it.
No one's holding a gun to your head. If it's causing you such pain just use another browser.
Well, crappy support from RH is one of the reasons so many people left RH in the first place. EL4 came out after libpangocairo 1.0 did... why didn't they include it even though it would become an integral part of GTK2? Who knows.
Won't be added now though, Redhat Full Support for RHEL4 stopped May 15, 2008. The only thing you'll be getting is security fixes.
libpangocairo 1.0 is in the pango-1.16.4-2 RPM for Fedora 7. Pango 1.16 was released in July of 2007 according to the Pango web site.
You may run into some dependency problems, since this version of the pango RPM depends on (in part) the following:
If that creates problems with other packages, then FF3 may be an issue.
Without knowing a little bit more about your particular configuration, that's about all I can offer.
A lot of the complaints about the Awesomebar have been that bookmarks which have not been visited show up in the results. Luckily, there is now an extension to make the Awesomebar show history only.
Also, if you are not sure what the point of the Awesomebar is, Mike Beltzner recorded an informative 2-minute screencast showcasing what the Awesomebar can do.
Finally, Support Firefox Day is this Friday, which will include interactive video workshops and Q&A about the new bookmarks features. Several Mozilla developers will be in attendance, so it is a great chance to voice your opinions. The new bookmarks and history API is very flexible, so extensions will no doubt make it better.
Firebug is available to download directly from addons.mozilla.org :)
In all honesty though, I use Firefox all the time on all the computers, PC and Mac, and I use gmail, and I've never seen my memory use go above 200M (usually around 150M). And even if I can get the memory usage to go up by opening 20 tabs full of pages with huge images, together with gmail, I don't get a CPU spike.
In fact, I've never gotten a CPU spike. None of the friends I have that use FF got a CPU spike, ever.
So, I hope you can see the problem here. Many people use FF and never experience what you're talking about. In fact, every time I read it, I think it's just trolls bullshitting. I hope someone can post a video of a computer with FF3 suffering from that bug so we can have proof that the bug exists. I don't think it's a real bug.
But let's say it is real. This bug, since it occurs in corner cases, is going to be hard to fix. It will be hard to find. It probably has to do with multi-threaded code and data sharing between threads, or it has to do with garbage collector. Either way, it's not easy.
Let's talk about other browsers now. I won't bother with IE. Let's take Opera. I use Opera Mini 4 all the time. That piece of shit has bugs and breaks all the time for me. The only reason I use it is because it's better than the built-in browser, which works better than Opera, but gives me a bookmark list that's controlled by my phone carrier, which I don't want. So because I want to control my own bookmarks, I have to use Opera on my blackberry. Clearly Opera is no angel. I am a very unsatisfied Opera user. And how hard is it to fix a bug in an app that's only 130kb long? EH?? Should be cake, right? Opera Mini does crappy rendering on many pages and the most annoying thing is that sometimes it loses my feeds or breaks them so that I have to reinstall them. And there are usability issues, such as when I want to search Google, I have to click way too many times for comfort (why can't I use the enter key, once? Why do I have to click to start typing, then type, then click to open a menu and select "OK", then scroll down to search button and again click on it... why ????? WTF OPERA??).
I think Mozilla does a fine, fine job. That they can't please a certain vocal minority is understandable. And the constant "angel" example of Opera is pure bullshit.
That's hilarious, I was going to say exactly the same thing to you!
Web2.0: I love when people Flickr my cuil and digg my boingboing until my google is reddit and I start to yahoo
Now as I start to type "s" for slashdot, instead of a list of URLs like slashdot.org, somethingawful.com, etc. I get a huge list of pages where "s" appears anywhere in the URL or title of the page. Flash MX Design, CBS News, gamesocks.com, etc. ... all apparently culled from my bookmarks or pages I visited recently. It takes much longer to scan through the list (partly because the page titles are now shown along with the URL) and find the actual page I want.
The location bar is for URLs. Not page titles. Not search queries. Just addresses.
That's the distro mainteaners' job.
And I'm sure one will be available in a few weeks if enough people want it.
In the mean time, Pango/Cairo is the font layout and rendering engine that makes the new Firefox look better, and the rest of us want that, so you'll have to pry it out of our cold, dead hands...
"I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
They are not "Russian characters." The writing system is called Cyrillic. Maybe Wikipedia's page on languages written using the Cyrillic alphabet will help alleviate your ignorance.
Speaking of learning "geography and languages," huh?
Meanwhile, here are some unbiased results from Ars Technica, showing the memory usage of firefox 3 in comparison with other browsers, with 50 tabs open.
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080317-firefox-3-goes-on-a-diet-eats-less-memory-than-ie-and-opera.html
If you want lower memory usage than what firefox 3 can give you
You're supposing that I'm resistant to change. I'm not. Many features in Firefox 3.0 are better than 2.0. As I said, I'm eager to upgrade.
The problem is that the awesomebar is worse than what it replaces. You know another search feature that went from being a simple search, to one that tries to guess your intent, point you in helpful directions, and so forth? Windows Search. That went from being a simple wildcard match to... something much, much less useful.
The worst thing is that in, as I researched the issue, I saw that there was originally options in about:config to revert the behavior to simple URL matches (like a search in an URL text field should behave). But that option was removed in later betas. Why?
Install the package frysk and you get libpangocairo free. And frysk is small enough I didn't mind.
For me at least it was as simple as switching to root, and doing:
yum install frysk
Hope that helps you!