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Enforcing the GPL On Software Companies?

Piranhaa"I currently use an IPTV box that runs software by Minerva Networks. When you ssh into the box, you are greeted with a BusyBox v1.00 (ash) shell. It's clearly running a flavor of Linux (uname -apm outputs: Linux minerva_10_0_3_99 2.4.30-tango2-2.7.144.0 #29 Wed Mar 16 16:16:16 CET 2005 mips unknown). However, when you look at their Web site there is no publicly available source code. Since the GPL in both BusyBox and the Linux kernel require that anyone using and distributing the binaries of this software make source available to everyone, what would one do in order to enforce this? I've personally emailed Minerva and left voicemails with no reply."

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  1. Re: GPL makes me angry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For a FOSS license GPL seems to be very unfree - imposing restrictions or rules... just a crock of sh!t really. GPL makes me angry. MIT or BSD for the win. GPL for the sux.

    WTF?

    The GPL applies only to GPL code ... in this case the Linux kernel and the Busybox code. It is a license that lets some people, who did not write that code, nevertheless use the code ... often without any fee. The only "restriction or rule" is that the code must not be hidden if you re-distribute it. Since you received the source code yourself, and you did not write it ... you are obliged to give it to other people under those same conditions.

    Why should there not be such a condition? It isn't your code, you didn't write it ... and the source is already public anyway so how on earth does it hurt you to give the source out when you distribute your product?

  2. Re: GPL makes me angry. by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ikarys, you either have a lot of fun trolling this way, or you've not looked into the history of the GPL and the other licenses. Your posting history shows that you enjoy doing these drive-by instigations, but nevertheless, some newer folks on Slashdot may not know enough to realize why some folks say this.

    GPL was formed to protect developers and users against restrictive licenses that prevented them from seeing or modifying their programs. It's a bit paranoid, but with reason. The DRM being inflicted on software, the security by obscurity, the locking in of software by refusing to permit non-vendor software to be installed, the refusal to allow others to modify and publish the software, all have been a real problem with other licenses.

    GPL has effectively prevent hardware/software lockins, by Netgear and Linksys. The new GPLv3 will block patent lockins, such as those espoused by Microsoft, and DRM lockins, used by Tivo. None of the other licenses would have prevented this. We've also seen very specific abuses of the other licenses already, such as the Microsoft abuse of the MIT license on Kerberos to break non-Microsoft published Kerberos clients. And the GPL has already helped several companies that I'm aware of from simply adding on their own modifications, refusing to publish their modifications, deliberately making it inoperable with other's versions, and locking clients in this way.

    The GPL protects the freedom of users, and other developers. The sacrifice of what is not freedom over the software, but power over its modification, comes at the benefit of retaining such power over the rest of GPL freedom, and I find it very handy.

  3. Re:Enforce? That's eeeevil! by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How can we decry copyrights as evil, when we keep trying to enforce the GPL? "We" decry copyrights as evil because they reduce the freedom of the end-user.
    The GPL uses copyright law to turn that situation around, effectively guaranteeing the freedoms of the end-user.
    There is no contradiction.

    What if a company wants to use that piece of code, and not release the source for it? They are free to do so, the GPL does not restrict how a person or a company uses a piece of code.
    However, if they wish to distribute it to end-users beyond themselves, then they must ensure that those end users are given the same amount of Freedom that the company received.

    Information wants to be free, you know. Precisely. Free as in Liberty, not as in price.
    --
    When information is power, privacy is freedom.