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TV and Movies On YouTube?

CNet is running a story speculating on the potential for full-length television shows and movies on YouTube. Google has been looking for ways to improve the popular but unprofitable video-sharing site, including some experiments with movies that exceed the typical 10-minute limit. Incorporating a system similar to Hulu could draw the interest of more advertisers. "[Mark Cuban] wrote that Hulu is crushing YouTube in revenue per video and revenue per user primarily because 'Hulu has the right to sell advertising in and around every single video on its site,' Cuban wrote. 'It can package and sell any way that might make its customers happy.' YouTube doesn't have the same luxury because it can advertise only 'on the small percentage of videos on its site that it has a licensing deal with.'"

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  1. OH MY GOD! by nlitement · · Score: 2, Funny

    Movies and TV episodes, posted on YouTube! Why did no one think of that let alone DO IT before?

    1. Re:OH MY GOD! by Gewalt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Don't worry, the studios will be sure to make the viewing experience just as unpleasant on youtube as it is on Hulu. Why would they take such an awesome idea and TOTALLY FUCKING RUIN IT by constantly pissing the eyeballs off? Seriously. They are still trying to treat Hulu as a broadcast medium. You can only see 4 random episodes of any given popular show at a time. Or worse. They will have the entire 2nd season of a show up. But none of it makes sense unless you've seen the first season, which isn't available, and you can't use it to "catch up" either, cause the show is well into its 3rd or 4th season. Every time I go to Hulu to watch a tv show, I get annoyed and remember the reason I canceled my cable.

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    2. Re:OH MY GOD! by MMC+Monster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      While the lack of previous seasons is a downmark, whatever hulu actually has is quite good.

      The ads are not too long. The video quality is somewhat decent. They have a good selection of new shows, and a lot of old stuff as well.

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    3. Re:OH MY GOD! by moosesocks · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Really?

      Hulu seems like an awfully nice compromise between watching "regular TV," and sifting through piles of low-quality crap on sidreel.

      The general scheme is that you get excellent quality full episodes in a legal manner endorsed by the content producers (for which they get paid!).

      In return, you have to watch a 10-30 second ad in each slot that would normally have a 4-5 minute commercial break on TV. In the end, this works out to about 2-3 minutes PER HOUR. For free and legal content, this seems like a fantastic compromise that mostly benefits the consumer.

      Of course, if they increase the ads, my approval will be somewhat diminished, but in its current form, Hulu rocks.

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    4. Re:OH MY GOD! by ball-lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, I actually love Hulu. It lets me watch the Colbert Report whenever I want, and the commercials really aren't too bad. Honestly, my main objection to television is I have to work on THEIR schedule, not that there are advertisements. I don't block ads (that aren't pop-ups) on the Internet for the same reason. I like "free" content, and as long as your sponsors hawk their product in a way that is reasonably unobtrusive, I don't mind one bit.

  2. This could work by jaxtherat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nothing stopping the traditional advertising model working in this distribution model. Show say a tiny Coca Cola (or whatever) logo in the top left corner of episode or movie that you are showing, and the advertiser would be happy!

    I think this could be a win win situation for everyone, and could also spill over into the p2p distribution market en masse.

    That's my hope anyway, as I'm sick and tired of internet distribution channels being demonised as for pirates only... meh

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    1. Re:This could work by PetoskeyGuy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As long the ads are in a sidebar or something and not on top of the entertainment. Or some other kind of overlay that could be removed.

      I can't seem to watch normal broadcast stations any more without a quarter of the screen having this stupid animations on top. I'm not completely adphobic but that's like someone standing in front of the screen at a theater.

      TV Overlays, telemarketing and spam... there is no way I would ever buy from companies who resort to being annoying.

    2. Re:This could work by jaxtherat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, if done in not in an overkill manner, it wouldn't be that bad; for example stuff you download that was ripped from the SciFi channel, has a SciFi logo in the corner.

      As a result (being someone who doesn't have cable) I now know that Battlestar is broadcasted on the SciFi channel.

      As a personal example, for me that was relatively unobtrusive advertising at work.

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    3. Re:This could work by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Last time i watched the world cup (soccer, football, whatever you want to call it), they had little ads on top of the action. I liked a lot better than cutting to commercial. I can't stand watching hockey on TV, because they constantly stop for advertisements. Even going to the arena is kind of a let down, as they cut to commercial and they have to do something else at the arena to fill the empty time. It really cuts out the continuity of the game. Ads on top, I don't mind, so long as they are kept small. Ads cut in between are much more distracting.

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  3. one suggestion by cashman73 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps Youtube should look into some of the most popular videos uploaded to their site. For example, if lots of people want to upload short 2-3 minute clips of the Daily Show and the Colbert Report to Youtube, maybe that says something about their popularity? So, instead of deleting it due to copyvios, maybe they should try a little harder to sign a deal with Viacom to get those shows hosted, with ads. That'd solve two problems right there -- less people uploading the copyrighted material, and more ads for them.

    1. Re:one suggestion by Vellmont · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I think this is unlikely to happen. Viacom already has a video sharing site where you can watch ANY episode of The Daily Show. The question Viacom will ask is, "What value does YouTube add that we don't already have, or could easily develop?" Frankly I don't see that youtube does add any value, but maybe I'm wrong.

      No, I think Viacom is NOT the company to try to pursue negotiation rights with, at least for now. That doesn't mean there aren't other media companies they couldn't do the same thing with, that haven't developed the video sharing technology.

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    2. Re:one suggestion by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh yeah. One site will use Windows Media with DRM (everyone uses Windows Vista, right?), one site will use RealMedia (who uses THAT anymore?!) and another one will use Quicktime with an obscure CODEC that won't even work on intel Macs (or something).

      Forget Flash, Windows Media, Real Media and DivX... Give us non-DRM'ed H.264/AAC video files, not everyone has the bandwidth to stream that stuff in real-time and not everyone wants to be tethered to their computer to be able to watch TV shows and movies.

  4. Hulu? No thanks! by PontifexPrimus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but I can't comment on Hulu's model; the reason? Their overzealous country-restrictions: none of their clips are available outside of the US. I guess I could trick the server by using a proxy, but if a site makes me jump through hoops like this I go to the competition; especially since this sort of country-selective blocking is something I can't remember seing on YouTube, Revver or any of the other streaming video sites.
    Why have an internationally accessible website at all, if you won't even show (short, low-quality, low resolution) videos except for US-Americans? Why should, say, bloggers even bother to embed those videos on the world-wide web, if they can't reach an world-wide audience?
    Although I guess it could make embedding targeted ads easier, since you know your audience...

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  5. YouTube Has Already Tried This by Kneo24 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Back when YouTube first came about, they had original regular running series. Some of them were actually decent too. Then things started to change and now we have a different YouTube.

    Besides, it's not as if people don't already do this on YouTube themselves. I'm more surprised that at some point they haven't aggressively tried making money from this in some fashion.

    1. Re:YouTube Has Already Tried This by NickCatal · · Score: 5, Informative

      Have you watched any of the longer-running more established youtube 'series'? They all have popup-on-screen ads on them

      The big issue here is that the size of the window is so freaking small. Watching more than a few minutes with something that small is just painful, and the 'Full Screen' mode, even with their new HD player, still pales in comparison to hulu

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    2. Re:YouTube Has Already Tried This by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Here's an idea for YouTube to make money:

      Host pilots for shows for free and offer a Google-checkout-integrated escrow service. If you like the pilot, give put some money towards the production of the series. If a target amount is reached before a set date, Google takes a fixed percentage and gives the rest to the producers. They then make a series, send DVDs to the people who paid in advance, and put it on YouTube. Google show advertising around the online version and start collecting money towards the next season.

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  6. Re:ok who's clicking these f'n ads people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Taxpayers haven't paid any money towards content creation. And good content is expensive. If you are happy watching things like the Phil DeFranco show or Hot for Words, good for you. But if you want something like Battlestar Galactica or Heroes, then *every episode* has to bring in millions of dollars somehow. That's hard to manage. This is not a solved problem.

  7. Cuban trolling again? by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember, Mark Cuban also claims to have made his saving throw to disbelieve the Safe Harbor provisions of the DMCA. If I were Google, I'd rely on my own attorneys for legal advice, and not some self-important blowhard who pretends that important legal concepts don't exist when they don't protect his own financial interests.

  8. Re:ok who's clicking these f'n ads people? by The+End+Of+Days · · Score: 2, Funny

    How dare you point out the logical flaws in the free entertainment arguments. You are obviously anti-freedom.

  9. There are three barriers to remaking television by jollyreaper · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Cost of Production
    2. Cost of Distribution
    3. Customer Price Sensitivity and General Interest

    1. Cost of Production is still high and will remain high, though the bang for the buck is certainly increasing. While I don't enjoy police procedurals, you'll note that the production values are easily eclipsing movies in all but ginormous action set pieces. Shows like the original Battlestar Galactica were prohibitively expensive even with recycled special effects. The new Galactica, while the scripts still suffer from cranial-rectal inversion, it looks fantastic. Hollywood would have had an impossible time churning something out like that with models, Babylon 5's CGI looks dated now. Fans in their bedrooms are turning out CGI better than what a professional studio was doing ten years ago. Funny point: when that new B5 Lost Tales DVD was being put together, the new effects crew was scrambling for models. All of the original files were turned over to WB as per contract and were lost. The fans stepped in and provided a station model better than what was in the original show. You can only imagine what we'll be seeing in another decade. Still, it's going to cost money to put a proper show together and that will be the biggest barrier to entry.

    2. Distribution. The Internet is a dagger in the heart of the conventional network business model. The suits are desperately trying to coopt it. Right now, the Internet's biggest vulnerability is that service is provided by telecoms and cable companies so the suits are looking to these companies to serve as gatekeepers. The suits would like to see the Net tamed into a comfy AOL model, putting up barriers to entry, filtering people only to approved and partnered sites, making sure they can start extracting profits again. I'm not sure if what we're looking at here is Tienanmen Square or the fall of the Berlin Wall -- I don't know if efforts to stop democratizing forces will succeed or fail. If they do fail, the networks will fall into ever-decreasing relevance.

    3. Price Sensitivity and General Interest. The vast majority of people are casual fans of whatever they're into, they're usually not obsessive geeks. Miss an episode of a series? Not care if you don't see it? I never could understand that. But I'm a geek. Geeks are the ones who were buying Trek on tape back when it worked out to something like $10 per episode. DVD's finally made it feasible to distribute archived shows from the past and distribute new productions directly to the customer. While there have been direct-to-video schlockfests for years, Disney being a prime offender, there hasn't been as much interest in distributing things like episodic television content directly to DVD. Of course, with digital distribution, the DVD angle becomes only an interest if someone wants to keep the show permanently.

    I suppose you can also throw a fourth category in here, generational adaptation of technology. People my parent's age would tape a show and play it back, not fast-forwarding through the commercials. Even more likely, they'd not be able to figure out how to record it and just watch it live. But the younger the viewer, the more readily they will adapt to the new technologies. Fast-forward another decade and you'll see middle-aged people perfectly acclimated to watching content on their laptops and ipods and cell phones. And I think that this sort of independence of choice in both content and viewing behavior will create a demand that the suits will be unable to control.

    Right now there's really a conversation going on between viewers and content producers/distributors. The producer/distributors are saying "Shut up and pay what we demand, you cunts" and the viewers are saying "no thank you. We don't want your commercial-laden television, we don't want to pay $12 to go watch a movie that has 20 minutes of commercials in front of it, we don't want to be limited to just your approved content. And what you have that we like, you charge too much or you dick with show's creator to mess it all up."

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  10. The Cognitive Surplus is where it's at by fictionpuss · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Note though, that user-generated content is consistently improving in quality. Ad a viable revenue stream and as advertising dollars continue to shift from mainstream media to user generated content, the market becomes a lot more interesting.

    The studios screwed themselves on this one.

    1. Re:The Cognitive Surplus is where it's at by fictionpuss · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes but the popular videos are IMO crap. Then change the situation.

      This is exactly the one advantage which YouTube gives you which the "shut up and watch" old media does not.

      If you cannot popularise quality content, then the fault lies with the populace, or yourself - not the distribution medium.

      We are in the early days of exploring our cognitive surplus, and yes - some of these explorations mimic the tricks mainstream media has previously used to grab viewers. So if you're telling me that 50% of the most popular YouTube videos are not just thinly-veiled sex-related enticements, then I think we can agree that we're watching a fascinating experiment unfold.

      I do, however, object to the phrase "partners are now whoring themselves to get more views." If you look at the evils that a monopoly stranglehold on the channels of media distribution (everything from sitcoms to news), has wrecked upon society, then a strong case could be made that hastening the democratization and financial viability of those channels is nothing less than a moral imperative.

    2. Re:The Cognitive Surplus is where it's at by tacocat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would hate to see it all mucked up with revenue dollars on advertisement. What would prevent YouTube from becoming exactly as broadcast television? Broadcast has been working under this model for 50 years and they have become so impotent, immaterial, and outright painful to watch that I don't think they, or anyone who emulates their business model has long for this world.

  11. Of course, its most important use will be for... by Dogtanian · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...the full 2-hour-long version of Loituma girl. I always felt that truncating this rich experience to a mere 10 minutes was a travesty.

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  12. Improve the player by SendBot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Especially for a google property, I find their flash player to be of really poor quality. The seek bar (or whatever it's called) never goes to where you drop it, and there are really only a handful of places you can seek to if you want to see a part over again. It seems like every other flash video player I've come across behaves as I'd expect it to.

    And it's annoying as hell to have the dock-esque related videos pop up any time my mouse goes near the vid.

    1. Re:Improve the player by SendBot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Okay, that makes sense - but why can't the player just interpolate these things internally on the client side? Like I mentioned, it seems like every other flash video player out there (break, hulu, revver) handles this just fine.

  13. Yeah...but by lilfields · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but Mark Cuban is an idiot that puts his interest before anyone Else's, so why should Google listen to him? I think this is the same Cuban who said the internet is "dead and boring" and that "We have reached the point of diminishing returns with today's internet." Really Mark? That's why you blog among other things and try to give advice to Google about making money on...the internet? This just in Mark: No one cares what you think, you've burned out...and you're now dead and boring, if you were ever anything else.

  14. Why doesn't Google just produce their own shows? by NoPantsJim · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google has more than enough money to develop their own shows, or just outright purchase an existing major show like House or The Office.

    Imagine if Google purchased House and put all the full length episodes on Youtube, and then continued the series, allowing the episodes to only be viewed on Youtube and then eventually released on DVD. They could completely revolutionize the way Tv is done and make a bundle in the process.

  15. Re:Why doesn't Google just produce their own shows by proxima · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Google has more than enough money to develop their own shows, or just outright purchase an existing major show like House or The Office.

    Google does not want to get into the business of "content creation". They make their money being the access portal (one way or another) to other people's content. Whether that's through Google Search/News/etc.

    As soon as they enter the content market (whether that be for entertainment television, news of any sort, books, or music), they will make competitors out of other content companies. These companies will fight (or fight harder) Google's push to get all content indexed. The current fight for this is with Google books, scanning the entire book to make it searchable and allowing a reasonable portion of the book to be viewed "free".

    As Google pushes the limits of fair use (which, IMHO, I think is a good thing), the last thing they want to do is antagonize the content producers. That means sticking with the script of, "Look, we can help bring more consumers to your products by having them find you through us". Becoming a competitor to these companies weakens that argument substantially; they think Google will give preferential treatment to their own content (which they probably would).

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