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Internet Devices Get Their Own Ubuntu Version
Barence writes "A version of Ubuntu targeted specifically towards mobile internet devices (MIDs) has been released by Canonical, although there is presently only one product on the market which can use it. According to the company, the pithily titled Mobile Internet Device Edition 8.04 has been optimized for use with handheld internet platforms, and designed to run smoothly on Intel's Atom chips as well as with small touchscreen displays. This follows Canonical's announcement earlier this month that it would be creating a version of Ubuntu for netbook devices such as the Asus Eee PC and the Acer Aspire One called Netbook Remix."
one release? which is that? 2000? XP? server 2003? try again...
Canonical are one of the big movers and shakers in the OSS world, and that they are putting so much effort into putting OSS on as many devices is possible is good to see. Of course it could be a futile effort IF Nokia buy out Symbian and open up it's source.
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ZOMG, they're working on their next version, this one must have sucked! "Leopard=fail, Apple is already working on 10.6" Since when is working on the next version of your OS a sign of failure, and not a sign of good business sense and continual development?
yes because there are only 3 operating systems in existence. There is obviously only one linux distro, and all the other ones on distrowatch are fakes
I still hold that I like Windows ME, at least a user had a lot of control over what it did and did not do.
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How about Ubuntu: Toaster edition?
No good OS release? What are you talking about? Emacs 22.2 came out in March!
Absolute hogwash. I bought a vista notebook, which now has Hardy on it, and it was slow to do anything. Not only is IO slow, but the way they have laid things out in the UI is slow too. The number of clicks it takes to do any system configuration stuff is painful. Combine that with digital restriction management and the whole experience sucks.
If I was interested in running windows, I would prefer XP. Even better would be 2000, if they had bothered to maintain it and provide updates. Vista is an absolute joke which I found unusable and given that I was only ever exposed to ME for about half an hour, I think it's the worst OS since Windows 1.0. Vista is more of a playskool stressfest - it looks all plasticy and colourful, but it's made entirely of big, bloated clunky pieces that, while they may choke the hardware, won't choke the silly little kiddies that play with them and it is unusable for the task it looks like it should perform. It's so playskool.
I don't therefore I'm not.
That's not been my experience, bloated and slow come to mind.
About 5GB for the install of the base OS alone. With the increase in popularity of the VM, where hardrive space is limited (particularly for Web servers) Windows Server 2008 will never fly. Pay for the license and the extra resources, just for .NET? No thanks, I'd rather use Mono on Debian.
That's without even starting on the CPU and RAM resources, it looks all impressive when you first start it (using less than 500MB of RAM IIRC), but as soon as you start some services the Vista-esque RAM gobbling kicks in. Come to think of it: Windows Server 2008 won't even install on less the 512MB of RAM, compared to Linux, that sucks (see VM point above).
Did a quick compare with my Debian server, which usually has a load of around 10 concurrent connections. Serving pages from Drupal, with a PHP Opcode cache and MySQL caching. Debian uses ~500MB of RAM, Windows Server 2008 loaded with a similar feature set (under zero load) used 1.5GB and constantly churned the CPU.
It might as well be named VistaServe Shite Edition '08 in my opinion. Posted as AC as this is totally off-topic, but I just had to debunk the shilling done by the OP.
What about Freebsd 7.0, they did a wonderful job of that.
to hear from someone with a bit more understanding of the reason the builds posted for MID are specific to Menlow and McCaslin and whether / why these builds would or wouldn't work on more generic intel hardware such as present in the current eeePCs not to mention how difficult would it be to get it to run properly (just install the generic i386 kernel?).
If only Emacs came with a decent text editor...
Windows 2000 still has one update or another from time to time. It's totally off the update map, but my Win2000 workstation still announce me of some update or another once a month or so (true, they are critical security updates and might only be for IE, Media Player, and other Microsoft applications, not to the operating system proper)
I agree with you and I have seen this kind of input all around: Ubuntu 8.04 it's great on old hardware, specially laptops.. so, getting on topic, An Ubuntu release for PID's/NETBooks should be a killer. Anyone know If this release works on old laptops or it's just intended for NEW specific machines?
Maybe that it's what I like about Ubuntu, it's Linux, it's mostly FOSS but they manage to do it in a commercial and asertive way, I mean, they release specific version that works on a variety of platforms, it's easy on Joe Beigebox and teaches to develop the community way of thinking, so you know somewhere on the intertubes theres an answer or some dude ready to help, also it teaches you that computing it's way more than start button and Ctrl+Z.
Don't bash Ubuntu for being so user friendly or the "bloat" in the GUI.. think that most of the people starting on Ubuntu will move forward to another distros as they advance in their knowledge, someday I will make the step to Slackware I love it, but I just don't feel ready, but hey! I'm loving learning this stuff as many people out there. No one of them are 1337s, maybe some will become.. lend a hand to the little brothers, you just don't know what ta13nts are coming in the way.
Not tried it on new hardware, but I was really impressed last night when I put it on a 3 year old Toshiba Sat Pro - it just worked(tm). Even let me disable trackpad clicking without faffing about. Played AVI and MP4/H.264 with minimal fuss. Wifi will be the next step.
I love tinkering but sometimes just want a distro to work - 8.04, whatever bugs aside, seems to fit the bill, to the point where I can finally recommend it to friends and co-workers.
My 0.02.
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What i want to see, is an OS which is compiled specifically for the Atom CPUs...
As i understand it, these processors are in-order processors, and therefore rely on the compiler to schedule execution correctly for their internal resources, as opposed to a full blown core2 which will reorder the instruction stream on the fly and thus compensate for less optimal compilers.
Doing this should yield quite significant performance improvements on the Atom processors...
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On one hand they have a windows vista which is a large resource hog and just can't be crammed inside a small device.
On the other hand they have WinCE/Pocket PC which, well has *windows* in the name, and has some related elements in its API, but well, is just an entirely different beast which : both doesn't give the advantage that a derivative of an OS has in terms of features and is a descendant of a handheld system which limits its possibility of evolution.
Linux' best advantage is its hackability and its scalability. /. trolls, Joe Six-pack and grand ma Tillie don't need to recompile their kernel each other day, just to get WiFi working.
Yes, granted, as regularly mentioned on
On the other hand, industry will like the possibility to take linux and hack it to fit some very specific and unusual needs, that conventional OS couldn't fit. And the best part : at the end it's still Linux and still related to the full blown system running on the desktop.
Cannonical with this kind of Ubuntu flavors is doing exactly what is best to enable more of such things to happen.
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LTS means "Will be supported for a long time", that is, be receiving bug fixes and other updates for a while. It does not mean "First version works perfectly". Yes, people will be using Hardy for a long time, but they will not be using the version as released in April 2008, they'll be using the most recent version.
It works the opposite way to what you're suggesting: obviously, all bugs need to be avoided. But bugs in 7.10 are of considerably more concern because there's only a relatively short timescale in which fixes will come down the pipe. If you're using 7.10 next year, it's safe to say you're going to have to live with any bugs in the distribution.
This is not the same as 8.04 LTS. Not only are Canonical going to do what they can to squeeze the important bugs out of the system in the next few months, but will continue to do so for all of the other problems over the next three years.
My advice with any version of Ubuntu is never upgrade when it comes out anyway, unless you have a drop-dead issue you really must upgrade for. I'm running 7.10 on my work PC and home shared PC. I'll upgrade both once I'm comfortable 8.04 LTS is more stable than the generally excellent 7.10. There have been several times in the last month where I've considered doing that, and held of largely because I want to be doubly sure rather than because of any specific bug I'm running into.
For what it's worth, I'd put 8.04 right now as more stable than 7.04 was when I upgraded to 8.04 (May, I think.) Your mileage may vary depending upon your hardware factors and other similar stuff.
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Oh I don't dispute that out of the box, vista is absolutely terrible. In order for it to be remotely usable after a reinstall, I have to:
-Disable the indexing service
-Disable all the other crap services I don't need like the diagnostic service
-Turn off slow Aero transparency and just use opaque Aero
-Run the registry tweaks to get sane folder type identification (make EVERYTHING "all items" by default)
-Disable all MRU features and make my start menu all pins
-Disable IE and WMP.
-Disable sidebar.