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Mars Had an Ancient Impact Like Earth

quixote9 writes "The BBC reports on a set of Nature articles showing that Mars had an impact about four billion years ago by a huge asteroid. This was about the same time that a much bigger object slammed into the Earth, throwing material into orbit around our infant planet. This material is thought to have coalesced to form the Moon. 'It happened probably right at the end of the formation of the four terrestrial planets — Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars,' said Craig Agnor, a co-author on the Francis Nimmo study. 'In terms of the process of the planets sweeping up the last bits of debris, this could have been one of the last big bits of debris.' There's a theory that having a big moon is important to the development of life, because the much bigger tides create a bigger intertidal zone, but people used to think having a huge Moon like ours was a once-in-a-universe event."

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  1. once-in-a-universe? by elguillelmo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I reckon ther's not sucha a thing as a once-in-a-universe event!

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  2. Re:Maybe it was the same collision by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Informative

    The two colliding bodies generally merge. IE, "Earth" as we know it didn't really collide with some foreign object that went skipping off into space again. "Earth Mark I" was a somewhat different planet whose remains are still here with us, and it collided with a very large object (essentially a planet in it's own right) called Theia (or sometimes aka Orpheus). Those two would have merged and the collision throw up the debris that formed the moon (which is also made up of parts of both)

    So there is no search for the object that hit Earth to form the moon. It's still here with us as part of the new Earth, and Theia/Orpheus is essentially our original planet as well; it's just easier to call the bigger planet involved in that collision "Earth" because, well, it was the bigger of the two.

    The same is likely true of Mars - the object that struck it probably merged with it.

    As an interesting note, it's also thought that a large impact must have struck Venus as well, and must have hit it hard enough to "flip" the planet, as Venus, compared to every other planet in the solar system, rotates "backwards". There were some BIG things floating around and colliding in the early Solar system.

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  3. Re:Hopefully. by MBGMorden · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IF you RTFA then you'll find no mention of some freaking 'Huge' moon being necessary to life. While it didn't appear in the article, I've seen quite a bit of stuff suggesting that a big moon could be a necessity. While the tidal issue is news to me, the most common thing I've heard quoted as that a large moon serves as an anchor for a planet, significantly reducing the amount of wobble in it's orbit. A wobble of less than 1 degrees can have serious climate impacts on Earth (the Sahara was once a jungle . . .), but we generally don't wobble much because of the moon anchoring us down. Other rocky planets like Mars or Venus wobble MUCH more, which would make climate conditions that would be difficult for life to spring up.

    IIRC, one special that I saw suggested that while life might have formed in the absence of the Moon, it probably would have been confined to the oceans only.

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  4. Re:Once in a universe? by cruachan · · Score: 5, Informative

    I seem to recall that a mechanism had been proposed whereby the material for the colliding body collected at a Trojan point, from which is was dislodged once it reached sufficient size - after which collision with the proto-earth would be just about inevitable. If the mars collider formed in the same way then collision with a large body could be pretty much normal in our sort of system and the incidence of large moons might be very high indeed.

  5. Re:Orbital mechanics by 4D6963 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Unlikely. Pluto's orbit doesn't come close to intersecting with that of Mars, and circularizing a Pluto-sized object's orbit after the huge Mars collision event would require ... another huge collision event.

    Or crossing Neptune very closely. And since we suspect that Triton was captured by Neptune as it was forming a couple with a similar body which got ejected away when Triton was captured, we can imagine that Mars' hypothetical Moon was that other body. Now who knows, Mars probably caught that asteroid that made this moon to protect its beloved Phaeton, who was ultimately destroyed by the mighty gravitational pull of the ruthless and jealous Jupiter who failed to capture Phaeton in the past despite his numerous attempts, and thus pulverized it to make Mars miserable in retaliation.

    Meanwhile, in the solar system. Will Jupiter find out which of the other gas planets threw a Shoemaker-Levy 9 at him? What surprise lurks in the confines of the solar system for Mars' old moon? Are Pluto and Charon about to divorce? Find out in the next episode of Desperate Planets!

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