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GoDaddy VP Caught Bidding Against Customers

An anonymous reader writes "A GoDaddy Vice President has been caught bidding against customers in their own domain name auctions. The employee Adam Dicker isn't just any GoDaddy employee; he's head of the GoDaddy subsidiary that controls the auctions. Dicker won some of the domains he bid for, and pushed up the bid price on auctions he didn't win. The conflict of interest is unethical, but could this practice also be illegal? Said a representative for a competitor, 'Even if controlled, that practice has bad news written all over it.' This comes hot on the heels of news that despite earlier promises to ICANN to end their 60-Day ban on transfers, GoDaddy quietly circumvented it by forcing customers to agree to the ban anyway. ICANN doesn't appear to be investigating or asking follow-up questions about this. What can be done to force ICANN to police the registrars for which it is responsible?"

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  1. Get the word out by Monoman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At a minimum, get the word out so everyone knows about it. Also, vote with your dollars by taking your business elsewhere.

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  2. So... by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In other words, you would take a stand on principle, but not if it costs you a bit more money. Heh.

    1. Re:So... by Vellmont · · Score: 5, Insightful


      I would take a stand on principle, but there's no place to stand.

      You're complaining about $2 a year per domain? Even for 200 domains that's only $400 more a year. If you really can't cover these costs, I have to wonder why you've got some many domains in the first place.

      Your implication that people have endless dollars available to buy principle... a nice idea, but not part of reality for most of us.

      You're really just thinking short term. How much is it going to cost you if godaddy suspends one of your domains because they want to? How much is it going to cost when you have to bid against godaddy? How much is it going to cost when they apply any of their other unethical practices?

      If you can't afford $400 a year to not deal with scumbags, get out of whatever business you're in. Scambags always screw you over in the end.

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  3. Re:Its legal by Yahweh+Doesn't+Exist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    it should be illegal (depends where you live).

    if you want a minimum price then set a reserve, not all this BS.

    or just make this a law; if you are in any way financially associated with the auction, it must be declared on every bid you make.

    otherwise, how is this not bait and switch or thuggery?

    thug: "give me $10!"
    person takes out wallet containing $30
    thug: "give me $30!"

  4. Market Mess by transami · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The whole domain name market has gotten out of control. Most unused domain names are now being used as nothing more than garbage linklists to generate ad revenue, while they sit at auction sites for $1,000 or more. It amazes me to think these garbage sites can generate more revenue than it costs to register the name. And then to sit on these names waiting for thousand dollar payoffs is outrageous. If ICANN intends domain names to be like real-estate then they need to provide permanent ownership. Otherwise they need to raise their own registration fees to prevent this kind of domain abuse. I for one tire of Google searches that return a list of b.s. sites.

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    1. Re:Market Mess by niceone · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I for one tire of Google searches that return a list of b.s. sites.

      It's kind of interesting that the only reason that most of these sites have value is because they show up in google searches. If google fixed its algorithms then the problem would go away. Unfortunately the ads on these sites are most likely google ads... google is making money so they have no incentive to change anything.

  5. Re:if there was an equal price competitor ... by iamdrscience · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The company I buy my domains from is only $12/year for a .com, just $2 more than GoDaddy (even less difference if you register for a longer period of time). I consider $2/year difference to be a pretty inconsequential amount of money, especially considering that it also keeps me from worrying about getting fucked over by my registrar.

  6. And just think... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    GoDaddy once had my credit card information. I am so happy I left them behind and found another domain name service.

    With this recent disclosure, I can no longer trust them. In my opinion, unethical is not a strong enough word to describe the act being reported.

  7. Re:if there was an equal price competitor ... by Xanius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you are maintaining 200+ domains then you should be making enough profit over the course of the year that it's registered to negate the extra price.

    If all of them are personal domains then I'd just have to say what the hell? Why would you need 200 personal domains?

  8. Re:Its legal by strabes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The question is whether it's just for the government to enforce "ethical" or "moral" behavior that doesn't directly harm others. Examples include bidding on one's own auctions, lying, and cheating on one's spouse.

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  9. Re:Its legal by mckyj57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may be legal, but it is unethical.

    And when you are a registrar, by far your most important asset is trust. GoDaddy no longer has mine, and I will no longer recommend them.

  10. Re:Its legal by GoRK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, in the simplest terms you are wrong, but the explanation is more complicated.

    Knowing allowing shill bidding (whether by yourself or others) is cause for revocation of an auctioneer's license or fines by state regulators. The state law most often says that a business cannot conduct auctions without an auctioneer's license, so the leverage for fines and punishment is generally against continued ability to conduct auctions and not strictly a legal matter aside from maybe breach of contract claims or similar.

    Shilling itself may or may not be illegal state by state, but just because you can't go to jail for it alone does not preclude you having your ass handed to you in a courtroom. Again, you can be sued under breach of contract or for violation of the UCC for which law may allow certain claims.

    In this particular case, ICANN probably has some type of contract governing the auctions that GoDaddy is probably also violating. I would imagine that their hole is pretty deep in this matter.

  11. Re:Its legal by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Summary: "We didn't do anything wrong, but we're going to stop doing it."

    Quit being a weasel. Take a stand. Make a choice and stick with it.
    Either say that it was ok and you are going to continue to allow your employees to do it, or say that it is not ok and that Mr. Dicker did something wrong.