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FBI's New Eye Scan Database Raising Eyebrows

mattnyc99 writes "The FBI has confirmed to Popular Mechanics that it's not only adding palm prints to its criminal records, but preparing to balloon its repository of photos, which an agency official says 'could be the basis for our facial recognition.' It's all part of a new biometric software system that could store millions of iris scans within 10 years and has privacy advocates crying foul. Quoting: 'The FBI's Next Generation Identification (NGI) system, which could cost as much as $1 billion over its 10-year life cycle, will create an unprecedented database of biometric markers, such as facial images and iris scans. For criminal investigators, NGI could be as useful as DNA some day — a distinctive scar or a lopsided jaw line could mean the difference between a cold case and closed one. And for privacy watchdogs, it's a dual threat — seen as a step toward a police state, and a gold mine of personal data waiting to be plundered by cybercriminals.'"

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  1. Blah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The DMV and the US government already have my picture (passport). Why should I give a shit if the FBI has it or has access to it?

    1. Re:Blah by pilgrim23 · · Score: 4, Informative

      BBC did a documentary on biometrics a year or so back. Iris ID has been used in Dubai for soem time it said. Also it pointed out that a way to defeat this is any drug that dialates the pupils. So; smoke a bong and smile ;)

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    2. Re:Blah by xonar · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also it pointed out that a way to defeat this is any drug that dialates the pupils. So; smoke a bong and smile ;)

      Marijuana doesn't dialate the pupils, although it can make your eyes red and droopy (maybe just as good). Non-addictive drugs don't do jack to the pupils.

      If you want your eyes dialated, you're going to have to snort coke or smoke meth or crack. Downers and narcotics like Heroin or Demerol will make your pupils constrict.

      Most psychedelics will alter your pupil size and are not physically addicting (besides Ketamine, woo yay). I know LSD and Psilocybin/Psilocin will dialate your pupils WAAAY more than coke/crack/meth. Though there's a SLIGHT possibility of it interfering with your daily tasks :P

  2. too many movies by ILuvRamen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think someone's been watching too many movies. Aren't modern day iris scanners bad for your eyes. Sending crazy bright light directly into a person's eye will obviously damage it if it's done enough times. So all that logging in every day at the government's secret lab stuff is pure science fiction. I think personally doing an iris scan once can destroy enough rods or whatever to make people complain. They shouldn't be using this system and expecting people to be scanned whenever they want them to be.

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    1. Re:too many movies by 26199 · · Score: 5, Informative

      You seem to be talking about retinal scanners -- iris recognition is considerably less intrusive. I don't know about retinal scans being harmful, but I'm quite sure iris recognition isn't.

      (At least, in the superficial physical sense).

    2. Re:too many movies by gnick · · Score: 4, Informative

      You're correct. Iris scans, as opposed to retinal scans, can be done quickly using only ambient lighting. And, with decent optics, they can be done at surprising distances. The only real limitation is the atmospheric effects you get from small air currents, thermals, etc. And, on a calm, cool day, those don't become an issue for a good way off.

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    3. Re:too many movies by digitalhermit · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or going outside when the sun is shining.

      What is this "sun" of which you speak?

    4. Re:too many movies by Facegarden · · Score: 4, Funny

      You go outside!?

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  3. 'Duel' threat? by mfnickster · · Score: 4, Funny

    > And for privacy watchdogs, it's a duel threat

    I guess they really threw down the gauntlet, huh?

    Now which weapon should I choose... rapier and/or dagger?

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  4. En Garde by Quattro+Vezina · · Score: 5, Funny

    And for privacy watchdogs, it's a duel threat

    En garde!

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  5. well of course it's raising eyebrows... by wisebabo · · Score: 4, Funny

    how else would the scanner be able to read the eye?

  6. test subjects by jhines · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They should use the politicians that control the agency, and the upper level bosses in the agency, as the first test subjects. Not that they have anything to hide, but I'm guessing they wouldn't like it in this case.

  7. I see where this is going... by Aphoxema · · Score: 4, Funny

    Well, what about the people with no eyeballs? OR HANDS?! OR FACES!? OR EVEN DNA?! You think criminals are dangerous, it's the criminal zombies you have to be really afraid of! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

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  8. They never would have caught me... by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Funny

    if I hadn't left an image of my retina at the crime scene!

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  9. Hold up by BlowHole666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why do they need our Eye Scan Data? I do not leave my iris information at a crime scene. I do however leave my DNA and fingerprints. So what happens when the FBI DB gets hacked and some serial killer changes his Eye Scan with mine. The FBI has no way of knowing who is who. I know some of you may say that the FBI will also have pictures of me and witnesses etc. but it use to be that DNA was not trusted very much and now a person can be put away on DNA evidence alone, so it is all too soon till a person can be put a way or arrested just because their eye scan says they are someone they are not.

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    1. Re:Hold up by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nevermind someone hacking the FBI DB - what if some data entry monkey just screws up their data entry?

      "And now, entering data for serial killer John Doe, III" while having the record open for Jon Do, II. How will this be changed? Updated?

      I have a trivial mistake in my passport file (they have the wrong passport labeled as lost), and it is costing me 2 hours at immigration every time I fly. I have checked, and it is not possible to correct it. I fear to think what would happen with a more serious mistake. I'm pretty sure there'd be a lengthy trial involved, if not outright conviction and lengthy appeal.

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    2. Re:Hold up by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 4, Funny

      I do not leave my iris information at a crime scene.

      Er... what *do* you leave at your crime scenes?

  10. Re:Yes, where is this technology outsourced from?. by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anybody notice the mention of Lockheed Martin in the original article?

    Really? Is more outsourcing of sensitive government tasks the way to go? Have we learned nothing from experience...

    The federal government outsources just about all of their sensitive science and engineering. Sandia National Lab is run by Lockheed Martin. LANL and LLNL are also run by contractors. Nothing new.

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  11. Eyeglasses an advantage! by plasmacutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    looks like all us "four-eyes" are going to have an extra modicum of privacy.

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