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Claimed Proof of Riemann Hypothesis

An anonymous reader writes "Xian-Jin Li claims to have proven the Riemann hypothesis in this preprint on the arXiv." We've mentioned recent advances in the search for a proof but if true, I'm told this is important stuff. Me, I use math to write dirty words on my calculator.

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  1. Dirty Words by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 5, Funny

    Me, I use math to write dirty words on my calculator.

    Such as 80085?

    1. Re:Dirty Words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      5318008

    2. Re:Dirty Words by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, you mean 5318008 or for the slashdot crowd, 55378008

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    3. Re:Dirty Words by Directrix1 · · Score: 5, Funny

      That would've been a lot cooler if Slashdot supported Unicode.

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    4. Re:Dirty Words by andy19 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Coming from a Slashdotter, are you surprised?

    5. Re:Dirty Words by droopycom · · Score: 5, Funny

      You just gave me the best idea for an iPhone app:

      Boobies that bounce according to how the phone is bouncing....

    6. Re:Dirty Words by DFENS619 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

  2. Yeah but did they point this out? by i_want_you_to_throw_ · · Score: 5, Funny

    By using Fourier analysis on number fields, we prove in this paper E. Bombieri's refinement of A. Weil's positivity condition, which implies the Riemann hypothesis for the Riemann zeta function in the spirit of A. Connes' approach to the Riemann hypothesis. Weather permitting of course. (Just looking on the positivity side)

    1. Re:Yeah but did they point this out? by rdwald · · Score: 5, Funny

      By using Fourier analysis on number fields, we prove in this paper E. Bombieri's refinement of A. Weil's positivity condition, which implies the Riemann hypothesis for the Riemann zeta function in the spirit of A. Connes' approach to the Riemann hypothesis.

      Weather permitting of course. (Just looking on the positivity side)

      I thought you were randomly babbling, but then I RTFA and realized you were just quoting it...

    2. Re:Yeah but did they point this out? by colonslashslash · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wait... both of you RTFA?

      We have a new /. record!

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  3. Tried to RTFA by multipartmixed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Man, where's Charles Eppes when you need something explained to you in layman's terms?

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    1. Re:Tried to RTFA by PlatyPaul · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Riemann zeta function is \zeta(s) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^{s}} [written for LaTeX], or "the sum of 1/(n^s) as n goes from 0 to infinity (increasing by 1 repeatedly)" [in more human-readable form].

      Riemann was interested in the zeros to this function, where s is a complex number. He conjectured that all zeros (aside from those of the form s = -2c, where c is a positive integer) would have to be of the form (1/2) + ki, where k is a constant and i is the square root of -1.

      This paper is saying that they've found a way to verify this intuition by patching a hole in a previous attempt.

      Assuming that everything is correct (a big assumption), this would finally solve a long-standing problem (dating back to 1859).


      Details of the actual solution are a bit heavy. Those actually interested in this sort of number theory might want to start here.

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    2. Re:Tried to RTFA by stranger_to_himself · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ummm...I think that WAS layman's terms. For you math geeks, try being a history major and looking at all that. It just looks like a cat walked on the keyboard to me...

      Are you reading slashdot as some kind of anthropological study?

    3. Re:Tried to RTFA by JohnsonJohnson · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's important because the zeros of the zeta function tell you how the prime numbers are distributed and prime numbers are to number theory as elements are to chemistry, everything you could care about is built out of them. The RH is also related to host of other more esoteric, but no less important conjectures; the truth of a large part of modern mathematics relies on knowing if the RH is true or false.

      Although it's unlikely to impact the storage capacity of a flash drive any time soon the zeta function shows up in high energy physics and thus does have real world consequences.

  4. Reimann? by areusche · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reimann? Like the Noodles right?

  5. Hmmm.... by Otter · · Score: 5, Funny
    The only part of it I understood was:

    The author is grateful to J.-P. Gabardo, L. de Branges, J. Vaaler, B. Conrey, and D. Cardon who have obtained academic positions in that order for him during his difficult times of finding a job.

    Sounds about par for the course for academic hiring, and it sounds like he's still pretty traumatized from it. I hope this works out for him and he can go around flipping off all the hiring committees who turned him down.

    1. Re:Hmmm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I had a history professor tell me that if he knew how hard it would be to get to where he was, he never would have been a history major.

      Well, that's all in the past now.

  6. Math = $$ by RabidMoose · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis wikipedia article, this means $1,000,000 if the proof turns out to be valid. Unfortunately, I didn't understand anything else in that article.

  7. not so fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    there are "proofs" of the Riemann hypothesis on the arXiv every few weeks. Don't believe it 'til it's vetted.

    1. Re:not so fast by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah. arXiv once published my paper that shows cases where P = NP; I proved it conclusively for the cases where P = 0 and/or N = 1, but so far I haven't gotten my $1,000,000.00 check from the Clay Math Institute.

  8. Re:$1,000,000 prize to be collected then if true by rufty_tufty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Good explanation here too:
    http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/1960.html

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  9. Oblig. by JuanCarlosII · · Score: 5, Funny
  10. Re:So what? by JambisJubilee · · Score: 5, Informative

    I think you misunderstand the scope and purpose of arXiv. arXiv is a repository for *preprints*.

    By uploading the file to arXiv before submitting it, not only do you ensure that those that can't afford $10,000+ subscription fees can access the article, but you open up your findings to a much wider international audience.

    The lack of peer review is not necessarily a liability in this situation

  11. Numb3rs by netsavior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Charles Eppes: Imagine you have an infinite number of plot holes, and you want to test how they compare to imaginary numbers. The Riemann Hypothesis states that I can use the zeros in this formula to predict how bullets will bounce off of concrete to a degree of statistical accuracy that it will actually give me the social security number of the guilty shooter.

  12. Re:Try this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    your mother?

  13. Re:$1,000,000 prize to be collected then if true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. Every number field has its own zeta function. The standard Riemann hypothesis concerns that of the rationals.

  14. Re:The continuum hypothesis will be next... by hansraj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Continuum Hypothesis is known to be neither provable nor disprovable in the standard axiomatic set theory ZF, enriched with the axiom of choice (ZFC). So I wouldn't really count on someone settling that one either way any time soon. Of course one could come up with a new set of axioms for the set theory and *then* prove or disprove CH but you would be hardpressed to find anyone showing interest in that result. After all, I could just add CH or not(CH) to ZFC and trivially prove or disprove it. So anything in that line first needs to even define what a sensible problem is.

    For those who have no clue what I said above:

    Continuum hypothesis: There is no set strictly larger than the set of natural numbers and at the same time strictly smaller than the set of real numbers. The size of a set in relation to other is defined in terms of mapping. Positive integers are the same number as even numbers because you can define a bijection between the two. Reals are strictly more than naturals.

    ZF: Set theory made axiomatic. Few axioms (like empty set exists, supersets are larger than original sets etc) that you need to believe and most of the set theory believed to follow.

    Axiom of Choice: Given a set of sets, one can make a set containing one element from each set. Looks obviously true but in some equivalent but different sounding formulations looks obviously false. Known to be independent to ZF.

    Y Independent to axioms X: Believing that Y is true does not yield contradiction together with X unless X itself yield contradictions. Same holds for believing that Y is false.

    PS: Apologies for not including links. I am feeling lazy. Wikipedia has nice articles about all of the above. Articles on ZF, CH or Axiom of Choice are the place to start for a fun reading.

  15. The REAL importance is Primes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Section two of the wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_hypothesis) is the great importance here. If indeed there is a proof of Riemann's Hypothesis, then there is a similar proof of the Generalized Riemann Hypothesis, which is in turn a big step in finding the exact distribution of prime numbers.

    Finding the distribution of prime numbers has epic consequences, like breaking most encryption, for starters.

    1. Re:The REAL importance is Primes by payola · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Riemann Hypothesis and RSA encryption both have to do with prime numbers, but the relationship between the two pretty much ends there. To break RSA you need to know how to factor large numbers quickly. RH, on the other hand, pretains to the distribution of prime numbers. It's pretty unlikely that a proof would make computers any faster at factorizing.

      So this begs the question that a lot of people have been asking on this thread: why should you care? There tongue-in-cheek answer is that a solution is worth $1,000,000. While that response may suffice for non-mathematicians, mathematicians would have another, more important reason to celebrate. RH and its generalization, the Grand Riemann Hypothesis, have an absolutely enormous number of profound impliations in number theory, and it is difficult to overstate how critical a proof of either would be. (The implications are too technical to write about here, but you can read about them in most good survey books on analytic number theory; for example, see section 5.8 of Iwaniec & Kowalski). A successful proof probably won't affect your life in any meaningful way (unless you work with analytic number theory for a living), but it would be monumental in the world of math - indeed, this is precisely why there's a reward for solving it. If that's not enough for you, just remember that many mathematicians are motivated not by fame or money but by the beauty and elegance of mathematics, and any proof of RH would establish a truly beautiful and amazing result.

      Of course, there's also the question: is Li's proof correct? I certainily don't know, and I doubt anyone will for quite some time, but there's an interesting story. Li's Ph.D. adviser was Louis de Branges who, as noted on this very website, claimed to prove RH in 2004. His proof has not been accepted by the mathematical community and is widely considered to be incorrect, in large part because the method he wclaims to use was shown, in a 2000 paper co-authored by none other than Xian-Jin Li, to have holes in it.

  16. Wrong by InvisblePinkUnicorn · · Score: 5, Funny

    "hellhole - nice."

    No, it's elohlleh, pronounced "elO'-heh-luh", which in the Primitive Quendian proto-language used by the early Elves after their awakening by Eru Ilúvatar, roughly translates to "a dreary, oppressive, or unpleasant place".

    Totally different.

  17. Re:typo by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Riemann zeta function is \zeta(s) = \sum_{n=1}^{\infty} \frac{1}{n^{s}} [written for LaTeX], or "the sum of 1/(n^s) as n goes from 0 to infinity (increasing by 1 repeatedly)" [in more human-readable form].

    You have a slight typo. Should be: "... as n goes from 1 to infinity ..."

    You have a slight typo. It should be: "You have a slight typo. It should be: ..."

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