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Amazon's EC2 Having Problems With Spam and Malware

jamie pointed out a story about the recent problems Amazon's EC2 service has been having with malware and spam. "EC2 space is now actively blocked by Outblaze, and has been listed by Spamhaus in their PBL list [...] However as Seth Breidbart noted in the comments, 'note that Amazon will terminate the instance. That means that the spammer just creates another instance, which gets a new IP address, and continues spamming.' True enough -- as described, instance termination simply isn't good enough."

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  1. Re:So what is EC2? by jamie · · Score: 4, Informative

    The top hit from Google would have told you. It's Amazon's Elastic Compute Cloud.

  2. Re:I'd RTFA but... by LMacG · · Score: 5, Informative

    My thoughts exactly. Luckily, Brian Krebs at the Washington Post wrote about this in his Security Fix blog.

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    Slightly disreputable, albeit gregarious
  3. Re:Terms of Service by rnswebx · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, tough luck to vendor who allowed the fraudulent transaction. The credit card companies themselves typically have very little (any?) responsibilities when it comes to fraudulent transactions. It's entirely up to the vendor to do the proper verification prior to billing a transaction, as far as I know.

    The problem is that these small fraudulent transactions are typically more expensive to track down than they are to write off. If someone racks up a $1,000 bill on the ec2 cloud with a stolen card, the credit card company isn't out a dime, and the vendor (in this case Amazon) isn't likely to spend much time finding and prosecuting whoever is using the stolen card because it's expensive and time consuming to do so. Sure, maybe some ip addresses will be blocked and cards added to blacklists (temporarily?) but that doesn't stop the next guy from doing the same with a new stolen card.

  4. PBL is the wrong blacklist to whine about by Mr.+Roadkill · · Score: 4, Informative

    Of course it gave me a reason. 554 Denied [SHPBL] - Denied by Spamhaus PBL along with a nice url. I'm not willing to give up any more details than that as I am not interested in posting any of the related ips.

    Ah, the PBL. That's where your argument falls to pieces.

    From http://www.spamhaus.org/pbl/index.lasso :

    PBL IP address ranges are added and maintained by each network participating in the PBL project, working in conjunction with the Spamhaus PBL team, to help apply their outbound email policies.

    So, your ISP told Spamhaus that mail shouldn't be coming from the range your IP address is in. Not Spamhaus making a trite, petty and vindictive block for the fun of it. Not some blacklist deciding in error to block a whole /24 full of static addresses with REAL rDNS records for most of it because they found a couple of zombied machines with vaguely generic-looking PTRs in it. This is a case of the people you pay for connectivity telling Spamhaus that the rest of the world should not accept mail from your IP address or others near it until further notice - they're being good neighbours, and are to be applauded.

    If you have a static address you can poke a hole in the PBL for it pretty easily - *you* can provide that further notice:

    A feature of the PBL is the elimination of 'false positives' with a server-identifying and automatic removal mechanism for single IP addresses. This allows end users with static IP addresses within a larger dynamic pool, and legitimate mail server operators, to assert that in their opinion their IP addresses are a trustworthy source of email and to automatically remove (suppress) their IP addresses from the PBL database. Safeguards are built in to prevent abuse of this facility by spammers (and particularly by automated bots).

    Do your research. The PBL is pretty damn useful, and you probably qualify for free use. If you have an unfiltered postmaster address on your domain (you do, don't you?) the smart thing would be to start blocking with it but make sure the rejection contains something like "Rejected: $IP_ADDRESS listed in Spamhaus PBL ( http://lookup-urlip_address/ ) - please contact postmaster@whineyblacklisthater.org for assistance if required" - you'll find that the "false-positives" for it are almost invariably from people who don't know what the PBL is and want to do their own thing, regardless of the practicalities the rest of the world has to face. Why should I or anyone else accept mail from somewhere your own ISP or their upstream provider has said I shouldn't?