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Stallman Attacks Gates, Microsoft, & Charity Foundation

An anonymous reader writes "Richard Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation, has an article in the BBC in which he maintains that Gates' departure from Microsoft doesn't mean the end of proprietary software and that the free software community needs to stand strong to undo the damages Bill Gates, Microsoft, and other proprietary software vendors (explicitly naming Apple & Adobe amongst them) have done. And he slips in a claim that the Bill and Melinda Gates charity foundation doesn't really help the poor; it just pretends to while actually subjecting them to greater harm."

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  1. nothing "low" or "desparate" about it by speedtux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is Stallman so desperate to make Mr. Gates out to be the bad guy that heâ(TM)d sink this low?

    I don't see any "low sinking" about it. First of all, the money Gates is so charitably donating, is money he acquired from an illegal monopoly, so it is reasonable to follow where it is going.

    Second, there is a good argument to be made that foundations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are harmful and are mainly entertainment vehicles and tax shelters for the rich.

    Third, why shouldn't Stallman comment on this stuff? He started the Free Software Foundation out of social consciousness and civic concern; of course, he would comment on other social issues and may well take action, even if they have nothing to do with software.

    And why should Stallman be "desparate"? Free software is doing better than ever before, while Microsoft just keeps failing in everything they do.

    The rest of the NeoSmart files contains more bullshit. For example:

    Stallman somehow neglects to mention that â" regardless of whether morally acceptable or not â" Microsoft had the legal right to demand payment in exchange for their software.

    There is no "neglect" about it. It is not at all clear that Gates had that legal right at the time; in a sense, Gates helped establish that right, to the deteriment of us all, according to Stallman's reading.

    I don't agree with what Stallman says, but he is at least consistent and logical. NeoSmart is a bunch of bullshit and FUD.

    Is Microsoft getting so desperate that they have to step up their bullshit and FUD machine another notch? I guess it's a good sign.

    1. Re:nothing "low" or "desparate" about it by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Second, there is a good argument to be made that foundations like the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation are harmful and are mainly entertainment vehicles and tax shelters for the rich.

      When I read how charities are a 'tax shelter', I realize how stupid the writer is. And in this case, how dumb the moderators are.

      Give away a dollar to save 40 cents. Brilliant strategy. Especially when you consider the wealthy can probably reduce their tax liability to 20 cents or less per dollar.

      Tell you what... give me $10,000 and I will give you back $4,000. Then you to can do the same brilliant 'tax shelter' strategy.

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    2. Re:nothing "low" or "desparate" about it by mdfst13 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Give away a dollar to save 40 cents.

      No, you're missing the point. When he gave the money to the foundation, he was not giving it away; he was just transferring the money from his personal wealth to the foundation's wealth (which he controls). I'll shift from the Gates foundation (which may be entirely legitimate) to the Ford Foundation for the example.

      Henry Ford transferred stock from his personal wealth to the foundation. He gave away nothing, as he controlled both his personal wealth and the foundation. The difference is that when he died, his heirs paid inheritance taxes on the personal wealth transferred from him to them; no tax was paid on the foundation assets, even though control passed from Henry to heirs.

      The Ford Foundation has since stopped being the largest owner of Ford stock (in 1956, when the stock went public) and stopped being controlled by the Ford family (in 1976, when Henry II stepped down).

      It's also interesting that the Ford Foundation gives away an even smaller proportion of its assets than the Gates foundation does. According to wikipedia, the Ford Foundation gave away only $530 million on assets of $13.7 billion, about 4% rather than Gates' 10%.

      Transferring wealth to a foundation is not like giving money away. The money isn't given away until the foundation actually does so. While its under foundation control, it can still be controlled by the person who established the foundation (depending on the rules of the foundation). That's ignoring any additional dodges, e.g. using the foundation money to issue loans to your corporation or employ your relatives.

  2. Article focus by RonnyJ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As someone who doesn't really follow the free software movement, I think he should have focused on promoting the advantages of open-source, rather than bashing those that are free to license their software whichever way they choose.

    Gates didn't invent proprietary software, and thousands of other companies do the same thing. It's wrong, no matter who does it.

    Utter nonsense - and it reflects badly on the FSF. How exactly are you going to persuade these companies to become more open-source friendly, if all you do is bash them?

  3. Re:Too far by FooAtWFU · · Score: 5, Informative
    We've had articles on this before.

    Scientists who were once open with their research are now 'locked up in a cartel' and are financially motivated to support other scientists backed by the Foundation. Diversity of views is 'stifled,' dominance is bought, and Foundation views are pushed with 'intense and aggressive opposition.'"

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  4. More of the same from Stallman by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft, Apple, Adobe, and the rest, offer you software that gives them power over you. A change in executives or companies is not important. What we need to change is this system. That's what the free software movement is all about. "Free" refers to freedom: we write and publish software that users are free to share and modify.

    In other words, "Do as I tell you, or you are a dumb slave"

    Don't get me wrong, I love free software, but more than that I enjoy software that just works. If its free, I'll use that first, but Stallman has always seemed to say that, "Freedom is what I say freedom is, and if you don't do what I tell you to do, then you are not free" Give me a break.....

  5. Re:Too far by OSXCPA · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So you propose some sort of tax on free software to pay to the poor? Or, Microsoft keeps charging for Windows but makes it GPL and gives whatever money they get to the poor?

    How does your proposal work - specifically, how does the money get to the poor, and from whom?

    I'm not a MS fan at all, but given we can all use free software if we choose to and donate money to the poor, unless your plan calls for mandating Microsoft give money to charity, that company has nothing to do with the aims you espouse.

    PS - The Gates foundation may only give 'a fraction' of what it 'robs' (how does one rob by soliciting donations, again?) from the rich to the poor, but it is still donating more than you or I ever will, and therefore, has done more good than you or I will likely do in this context.

  6. Wrong summary. Try reading the article next time. by b0rsuk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "To pay so much attention to Bill Gates' retirement is missing the point. What really matters is not Gates, nor Microsoft, but the unethical system of restrictions that Microsoft, like many other software companies, imposes on its customers."

  7. Re:Too far by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have a read of this article from the LA times:

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?coll=la-home-headlines

    I think that's what Stallman is referring to.

    Don't know how much is true, but it makes depressing reading.

  8. Re:Too far by spymagician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    giving away of billions in charity is all a ruse to solidify his ill-gotten position of power.

    So you're saying, that it isn't?

    Citations. Desperately. Needed.

  9. Re:Too far by Shihar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point of a charity investing a hunk of its money is so that it can exist beyond its initial contributions. If the charity just blows all of its money, its life will last as long as people contribute to it and die the day that stops. On the other hand, if you dump a shit-ton of money into it, have that money start making a healthy interest rate, and just spend the interest, the charity continues on basically forever with its supply of cash always building, or at least remaining the same.

  10. Re:Too far by smallfries · · Score: 5, Funny

    William. Shatner. Sighted.

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  11. Re:Too far by IrrepressibleMonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    The reason they 'only spend 10%' is because they have a endowment to maintain.

    I'm not sure anyone is criticising the foundation's financial model, but the LA Times has questioned the nature of the investments that the foundation makes to sustain itself.

    http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,6827615.story?coll=la-home-headlines

    I believe the assertion being made is that the foundation's charitable efforts are being sabotaged by its unethical investments.

  12. Gates Foundation not primarily a charity by kent.dickey · · Score: 5, Informative

    My look at the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation shows it was founded with two primary purposes:

    - Tax dodge--giving money to a charity reduces his personal income taxes. By giving it to a charity he controls, he gets additional benefits.
    - As PR for Microsoft against the anti-trust investigation.

    Bill Gates has been rich since the 1980s, but his Foundation didn't really get any significant money until 1999. And then Bill then realized around 2004 that he could run his Foundation as his "retirement", and so started giving it more focus.

    By checking out the contributions provided at www.gatesfoundation.org, you can see (this is complicated by the fact he had two charities, with the primary one now being the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation):
    - As of 1998, Bill Gates had donated a grand total of $300million to both of his charities. That's not for that year, that's over all previous years combined, with interest/appreciation. This number is embarrassingly low for a person worth $100billion. However, it's probably just about the right amount to maximize his tax savings on a yearly basis. Also, the charity was building an endowment, and not spending all that much money.
    - Then suddenly, in 1999, in the middle of the Microsoft anti-trust lawsuit, he gives $15 billion. He gives another $5 billion in 2000.
    - Then, once the anti-trust lawsuit effectively ended, in 2001, he gives $0. Yup, check it out yourself. Probably because he took a loss that year due to the stock market drop, didn't need the tax writeoff anymore, and didn't need the PR.
    - In 2002, he gives $82.5million, again, back to the tax dodge. He gives $81.9 million in 2003. He's still worth $40-50 billion dollars due to Microsoft stock.
    - In 2004, he starts to give his charity a little more notice, and starts donating $700million in 2004, $442 million in 2005, $333million in 2006, and $1.2billion in 2007.

    I wouldn't be surprised if the recipients of his money found it had lots of strings attached, but I'm not interested enough to dig up all this dirt. Although it's nice he's giving some of his money away, IMNSHO, it's just about the least he could do (except for the $20billion PR stunt). I also think the expenses for this foundation are quite high, and are probably more of a tax dodge. The foundation also spends considerably less than he has contributed, so it's building a very large endowment. It seems benign. So far.

    I liken it to a king tossing silver coins to the rabble around his carriage--but doing it only when the press is around.

  13. Re:You see, there's this thing called economics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The economics issue extends to the operations of Bill and Melinda's "charitable" giving as well. You see, the foundation actively opposes generic drugs. I'm not one to suggest Bill is malicious. He really truly believes that the free market doesn't work, that government must establish artificial monopolies on ideas, and his foundation would like to apply the same principles that enabled Microsoft to dominate the US software market to the world pharmaceutical market.

    People disagree. Others believe that the market should be left to its own devices and find its own equilibrium. Some would say that denying access to generic drugs by pressuring governments to avoid doing business with companies that produce them, and by also pressuring them to establish, practice and enforce US laws establishing artificial monopolies over ideas on their soil (this is ironically called "free trade"), is causing great harm to the world's poor. Yes, even killing them.

    The debate about the usefulness of artificially concentrating great wealth in the hands of the very few so that these superior intellects may shower the rest of us with their munificence extends beyond the world of software. It's entirely appropriate that RMS would be discussing these issues as they relate to the Gates' "charitable" foundation, which invests in the very pharmaceutical companies who's profits are tied to squashing competition from generic drug manufacturers. Thank god someone is doing it, because heaven knows we can't count on our self-interested media conglomerates to provide any kind of balanced perspective.

  14. B&M Gates smoke curtain.... by xtracto · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ahem, ahem...

    I am not really impressed by B&M gates foundation... and the use they have given to it:

    e-Mexico.

    Which was about to be kickstarted with Open Source (with the backup of HP, IBM, Sun, etc)... until Bill Gates went to Mexico to speak with Presidente Fox... aaaaand, guess what:


    Microsoft has pledged $60 million in software and training to help fund Internet kiosks that are being built in remote communities. The software maker has also allotted $10 million to train workers in small and mid-size businesses, along with an additional grant from the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation to the country's VAMOS MEXICO program to be used to move the country's libraries online.

    Ohh, Vamos Mexico... the foundation from Fox's wife which has been investigated for allegued corruption practices.

    Oh yes, B&M Gates foundation are God's messengers.

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  15. Richard Matthew Stallman: Author of the GPL. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 5, Informative

    Richard Matthew Stallman designed and championed the GPL, the license under which Linux is provided. It is that umbrella philosophy that allows Linux to be the powerhouse that it is today. No company can use the work of others on Linux to engage in adversarial, tricky, sneaky behavior.

  16. Re:You see, there's this thing called economics by kz45 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Oh be creative! Free software is, as far as the whole of society is concerned, much cheaper than proprietary software, because society only has to pay to solve (the software portion of) a particular problem once. Therefore, if problems are solved using free software instead of proprietary software, society will have a lot of money left over to spend on fixing disease, starvation, etc."

    The cost of actual software is very little compared the cost of support, which is still a significant cost when using "free" software.

    "When you consider how much money Microsoft drains from various countries' economies, it's easy to see how the money could be put to better use."

    If you want someone to blame for starvation and death in various countries around the world, don't blame Microsoft..blame the countries government..they are most likely the problem.

  17. Re:You see, there's this thing called economics by Khaed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, and we all know people that use Linux instead donate the cost of the Windows license to charity.

  18. Right And Wrong At Once by maz2331 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Actually, Foo is simultaneously right and wrong regarding the nature of Free Software.

    The reason is that it's not "communist-ic" but it is strongly "libertarian" in philosophy.

    That is because licenses such as the GPL only bind developers who voluntarily use Free Software as a starting point for their own efforts, and does not inhibit others who choose not to participate. It does, however, require that those who do participate in the development of the code and direct derivitave works follow the rules and provide their work back to the community. It is actually the license fee to do so.

    We tend to view fees as monetary flows from "Party A" to "Party B", but Free Software is more akin to a "barter economy" instead.

    Any scheme that is "communist" or "socialist" requires mandatory participation. A "communist-ic" scheme would require that even from-scratch code would immediately become a publicly-owned work.

    It is noteworthy that Free Software does allow anyone to republish and distribute copies at any desired price, so long as the source code is made available for no charge or basically "at cost".

    It's important to further clarify that sometimes terms become muddy in popular use.

    "Communist" and "Socialist" really mean "slave to the commune, with no option whatsoever."

    The term "free market" is a market without external pressures of whatever kind used to create artificial barriers to entry or change.

    "Libertarian" indicates the individual choice of who each individual chooses to participate with. It is based on voluntary cooperation and participation, not coersion and force, but does recognize defense.

    In practice, all these get jumbled together, shaken, stirred, bent, folded, spindled and mutilated until none of them are recognizable.

  19. Re:Too far by spauldo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've heard this before, although generally about cancer. The problem is, that idea only works if the drug companies are a cartel.

    Let's say you're an executive for EvilCo, and your company develops that one month treatment for AIDS. You've got two choices:

    1) Patent it, sell it for major short term profits
    2) Sweep it under the rug, continue selling treatments for long term profits

    Option two sounds the best, right? But you don't exist in a vacuum. If your researchers found the cure, then how long until SatanDrugs, LLC or BeelzePharm makes that same discovery, and will they do the same thing you are? Maybe they already have. Maybe they're on their way to the patent office now...

    It's kind of like the old prisoner's dilemma scenario. You can't trust every other company to act for the collective good for the industry, and since any one of you could sell out for short term profits, why not you?

    There's also another problem, which is that it's a cold hearted bastard thing to do. If your R&D department actually discovered a cure, you think the people who know about it are going to sit quietly while you sweep it under the rug? What kind of PR are you going to get when they go public? The only way to guarantee they'd keep quiet would be to have them killed. Otherwise, your company would have the worst PR incident since the holocaust.

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