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Senate Scrutinizes Privacy Issues of ISP User Tracking

Hugh Pickens writes "As companies collect, use, and disseminate data regarding online users, there is concern that tracking individuals' Internet activity and gathering information from online users violates their expectations of privacy. The Senate Commerce Committee will hold a hearing Wednesday to look at the policy issues, and the hottest topic will be proposed systems by which ISPs can watch users and sell information about their surfing habits to advertising companies. The Center for Democracy and Technology has issued a report suggesting that these systems may violate federal law (PDF). 'Advertising per se is not the evil here,' says Leslie Harris from CDT. 'It's the collection of individuals' information, usually without their knowledge, always without their consent, creation of profiles and the complete inability of people to make choices about that.' On the other side NebuAd, the most active ad-targeting company, says its profiles are interest-based, and not personally identifiable. 'We have designed our entire company to make sure that we stay on the opt-out side of those laws and policies,' says NebuAd CEO Robert Dykes. Charter Communications announced last month that it would suspend a trial of NebuAd due to customer concerns about privacy."

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  1. Scrutiny should extend further. by suck_burners_rice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'd say it's great that the Senate is scrutinizing what ISPs do to track people, but this shouldn't be limited solely to ISPs. There should be a lot of scrutiny about what the government does with your information, and I'm talking about all levels of government from the local level up to the federal level. Further, there are millions of businesses around the world, small and large, that gather all kinds of information. It is difficult to scrutinize so many companies, so I would say that the Senate should concentrate on the government first. Because the government collects the most.

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    1. Re:Scrutiny should extend further. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can always sue a company.

      Not so. After tomorrow, for example, Americans will no longer be able to sue AT&T for violating the law by letting the Bush Administration tap their phones without any judicial oversight.

      The current president has taken the 60-year old notion of "state secrets" to an extent that absolutely shreds the Bill of Rights, but there was always the possibility that the truth would come out and the lawbreakers would have to pay. After tomorrow, not any more.

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    2. Re:Scrutiny should extend further. by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't "state secrets" as currently used in court violate the first amendment?

      Not the speech part, the ... to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. part.

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  2. Yeah, and? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Informative

    'It's the collection of individuals' information, usually without their knowledge, always without their consent, creation of profiles and the complete inability of people to make choices about that.'

    Hey, guess what... if a partner in a two-way correspondence chooses to share details of that correspondence, that's their choice (i.e., don't give private info to someone you don't trust). If you choose not to make safe your correspondence from third parties via encryption, that's your problem.

    I'm willing to risk some troll or flamebait mods here to make a point:

    No correspondence should ever be considered absolutley private. The same tools that allow data aggregation by companies like Google and ISPs give us better access to information and (arguably) a better quality of life. You have to take the bad with the good.

    Creation of profiles allow vendors to serve us better. They allow better targeting of ads so we're not bombarded with ads for things we have no interest in (ok, in theory. In practice, this needs further work). They allow people and businesses to target our needs better, so it's easier for me to find what I'm looking for.

    As long as we have the ability to anonymize and encrypt our traffic (which isn't a given), I have no problem with profiling. Those who want to opt out can do so easily... and if there is enough demand for it, there will be off-the-shelf tools for joe sixpack to do so.

    So my point is this: Allow us to anonymize our traffic. Allow us to encrypt our traffic. Then you can go ahead and profile all you want.

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  3. Boiling a frog by Mike+Rice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How ironic that Congress is, in all likelihood, about to pass a telecoms immunity bill which allows them to spy on us... but are giving lip service to the issue of telecoms spying on us.

    CongressCritters and Snoozators will soon be making a lot of noise about how they are protecting the public from being spied upon, while at the same time making it legal for us to be spied on.

    Nothings changed, just another election year.

    1. Re:Boiling a frog by easyTree · · Score: 3, Informative

      CongressCritters and Snoozators will soon be making a lot of noise about how they are protecting the public from being spied upon, while at the same time making it legal for us to be spied on.

      Democracy in action :) - or rather that's what happens when the free market and democracy collide.

      We had a similar situation in the UK recently with a company called Phorm. ISP's were entering into secret deals with them to collect our data so that they could modify the html streams returned from sites to inject targeted advertising. i.e. pure evil was afoot :)

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phorm

    2. Re:Boiling a frog by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What free market? I hope you don't mean the mockery thereof that the current market of corporate cartels is.

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  4. Re:Since When Do They Care About Our Privacy? by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're going to grant the telecoms immunity and the Bush Administration a free pass on breaking federal wiretap laws and violating the 4th Amendment, but *this* concerns them? Spare me.

    1970s: Don't steal. The government hates competition.
    2010s: Don't spy on your users. The government still hates competition.

  5. Putting it simply by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What is needed is a clear separation between those companies that sling bits (ISPs) and those who provide content and advertising. Each ISP should be required to transfer data as fairly as possible with a minimum of interference and monitoring.

    Most broadband providers have a monopoly or duopoly, and therefore need to be regulated strongly. Otherwise, customers who object to these invasions of privacy will have nowhere to turn.