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"New" Words From the Geek Culture

thatskinnyguy sends news of Merriam-Webster's 2008 list of new words and, to no-one's surprise, a good number of them come out of geek culture: words like webinar, malware, netroots, pretexting, and fanboy are now official words according to M-W. The CNet article pulls out one "new" word for special appreciation — mondegreen — and, while the article gets the origin right, it ends with a lame call for readers to send in their favorite mondegreens. (CNet does have the good grace to link the Kiss This Guy site.) SFGate columnist Jon Carroll has been collecting readers' mondegreens since 1995 and his list is bound to be better. Quoting Carroll, in a prophetic mode: "This space has been for some years the chief publicity agent for mondegreens. The Oxford English Dictionary has not yet seen the light, but it will, it will." Would you believe, Merriam-Webster's?

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  1. Is it wrong... by ickoonite · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...that I don't know what almost all these words mean? What is a "webinar" for example? I guess I'm just not cool anymore... :|

    1. Re:Is it wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Webinar : Seminar on the web, usually using youtube, flash or some other video/podcast like medium.

    2. Re:Is it wrong... by Freaky+Spook · · Score: 5, Funny

      What is a "webinar" for example?

      It was invented by a group of HR people. They needed a cool new word for "webcast", so people wouldn't get angry when they found out that instead of spending a week at retreat on professional development, they were to be locked in a room with a projector instead.

    3. Re:Is it wrong... by Brain+Damaged+Bogan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "web seminar" it's not a geek term at all, but a marketing one. my old boss used to love these damn things and every time he'd say the word "webinar" a peice of me died a little inside

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    4. Re:Is it wrong... by flaming+error · · Score: 5, Funny

      webinar, n:
      1) something formed by or as if by weaving. There's a spider webinar garage

    5. Re:Is it wrong... by TheMidnight · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find it egregious that it took until 2007 to add "w00t" to the dictionary. I was using w00t back in the Warcraft II and Command & Conquer days.

      Now if you'll excuse me, I have some juvenile delinquents that I need to evict from my grass.

    6. Re:Is it wrong... by Hal_Porter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Even if you can guess what it means, it's always good fun to pounce on neologisms and jargon and grill the user why they are using them instead of a more traditional word. My Dad told me a great story. He worked for the University which was under pressure from its new Thatcher appointed Vice Chancellor to be more 'commercially oriented' while no one really knew in practice what this meant. The VC gave a speech full or management consultancyisms and uses the word proactive. Someone stood up and asked him if he meant active. The VC blusters and the questioner keeps arguing. After a very long time the VC says "ok, you win I meant active". The questioner sat down. The VC delivered the rest of the speech without much enthusiasm and left without allowing questions from the floor.

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    7. Re:Is it wrong... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      Unfortunately the parent's name is unknown, or we'd have a good candidate for a new word to denote a dim pillock who explains jokes. And, while the angels weep, gets modded up for it.

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    8. Re:Is it wrong... by Joebert · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't care who you are, that's fox worthy right there.

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    9. Re:Is it wrong... by genik76 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Proactive is the opposite of reactive, which are both something else than "active". Maybe you could say that proactive and reactive as words are refinements of the word active, which the VC apparently failed to communicate.

    10. Re:Is it wrong... by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      If I was VC and some little tosspot interrupted me like that, I'd tell him to fuck right off. You can do that when you're VC.

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    11. Re:Is it wrong... by MrNemesis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Primarily because, in my experience, most users of the word "pro-active" are unaware of it's anti-reactive connotations and use it to describe singularly reactive situations ("I want us to respond to this pro-actively"), or even in just syntax-ruining "I've learnt a cool new word" non-sequiturs ("our new rubber grommets have a 100% pro-active paradigm"). In other words, I'm convinced that alot of people use it because they think it sounds More Important than "active" or lack the vocabulary to better describe it.

      It's kinda acceptable in most sysadmin circles as most geeks are aware of things like "pro-active" support (I prefer to call it preventative maintenance myself since it means less fuzzyness for the recipient, which we abbreviate to premaint in conversation) but neologisms are mostly a matter of taste. /spot the word-snob ;)

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    12. Re:Is it wrong... by owlnation · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, I don't think webinar's geek word... it sounds disturbingly like a... BUZZWORD!

      Disown it!

      And seriously, what does mondegreen have to do with geek either -- nor is it in any way a new word. This seems like a another sockpuppet article designed to generate traffic for a website.

    13. Re:Is it wrong... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In other words, I'm convinced that alot of people use it

      The Guide to Alot
      a lot many Steph had a lot of apples.
      allot to divide They alloted 2 apples per person
      alot no meaning I found alot of errors in there post!

    14. Re:Is it wrong... by TomRK1089 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You insensitive clod, for me it still is the Command and Conquer days!

    15. Re:Is it wrong... by techpawn · · Score: 3, Funny

      every time he'd say the word "webinar" a peice of me died a little inside

      THANK YOU
      First time I heard this was from our marketing guy my response was along the lines of a shutter and yelling at him to NEVER use that word again in front of me. They are web presentations. Webinar is a new word for the bullsh*t bingo card.

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    16. Re:Is it wrong... by sg3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are lots of words that marketing drones create that are irritating, but "webinar" has a purpose.

      A webinar -- in the context my company uses it -- is more like a web-based seminar. Both a seminar and a webinar are targeted to an external audience (outside the company), have a moderator (usually a third party person), and may be hosted by more than one company. A webinar is more expensive than just a regular "web presentation" since there's some logistics involved (hiring a third party to set it up and manage it, managing invitation lists, having an operator manage who joins the bridge, etc.), but it's not nearly as expensive as a seminar.

      A webinar is different from a web presentation in that the seminar (or webinar) are intended to be informative speaker-lead discussions for a relatively open audience. A web presentation would be more generic, and could encompass an internal meeting, a sales presentation, or something else.

      So I think "webinar" is reasonable because it conveys a specific, useful meaning.

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    17. Re:Is it wrong... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 4, Funny

      I guess I'm just not cool anymore...

      Oh, dear. Epic coolness fail! Newspeak is made of win. You are not a legend.

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    18. Re:Is it wrong... by MBGMorden · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're a marketer aren't you?

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    19. Re:Is it wrong... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 2, Funny

      my response was along the lines of a shutter and yelling at him to NEVER...

      Does that count as a mondegreen, or just poor command of English?

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    20. Re:Is it wrong... by g0at · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For a self-described "word snob" I'm surprised you bungled "its" ("it's") and "a lot" ("alot"). :)

    21. Re:Is it wrong... by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 2, Funny

      hydophonic? is that where you hook the fishtank up to your stereo?

    22. Re:Is it wrong... by bkr1_2k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      For reference, it's shudder that you're looking for, not shutter, which is what is put over a window during a storm.

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  2. Dear Merriam-Webster: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    You spelled "fanboi" wrong.

    Sincerely,

    AC

  3. New word coined on Arstechnica a week ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Witness the birth of a new geek word on Arstechnica forum:

    pludge
    verb
    1 [ intrans. ] to install an operating system update before verifying that it's safe to do so on the [Ars Mac forum]

    http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/8300945231/m/953002313931

    The thread is now the third link on Google if you search for the word.

  4. For shame by consonant · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize being a language Nazi is nerdy, even by Slashdot standards, but this summary is just shockingly awful!

    The headline reads "\"New\" Words From The Geek Culture". So the summary starts off with a single line on it, then randomly rambles on about CNet focusing on 'mondegreens'. Bzzt! Summary-headline mismatch already! Now it's possible that kdawson is just mimicking TFA, which does the same, but that's a frcikin' blog post! Somehow, a rambling blog post has been distilled into (if it's possible) a fumbly summary as well!

    All this meandering is topped off with a quite inexplicable question: "Would you believe, Merriam-Webster's?"

    Seriously, WTF?

    1. Re:For shame by Hal_Porter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Coherence and originality as so Web 1.0. The Web 2.0 way is to get a bunch of uncredited articles and make a 'mashup' of them.

      Mind you, Mondegreen is a cool invention
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen

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  5. Re:Google?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What about Google? It has almost replaced 'search this on web' phrase.

    To a geek, 'google for SSL' makes sense.

    Google's lawyers are hard at work to make sure that their trademark doesn't become a verb and fall to common use status (nullifying the trademark).

  6. meh, Webster's by ya+really · · Score: 4, Funny

    I gave up on Webster's as an authoritative source on the English language after they added bling to its dictionary. Noah Webster would be angered by the himbos now in charge of his publication. Perhaps the publishers are just part of the Sandwich generation and spend too much time with their parents while their mouse potato kids edit the dictionary for them.

    1. Re:meh, Webster's by StrawberryFrog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I gave up on Webster's as an authoritative source on the English language after they added bling to its dictionary.

      Why shouldn't a dictionary have that word? People are going to use it, and other people are going to want to know what it means. A dictionary would be failing them by not including it.

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    2. Re:meh, Webster's by ya+really · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In my honest opinion, I think Webster's adds buzz words like these mostly knowing it will give them free advertisement when the media lets everyone know what pop culture words are now somewhat legit. Dictionaries dont really need to add nonsense words that tend to be slang or are too silly to ever be used outside of a joke (looking at you webinar). For words like these, there's always urbandictionary.com. After all, wikipedia may have an article on Jenna Jameson, but Britannica does not.

    3. Re:meh, Webster's by digitig · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But how many times have you used mouse potato since 1993?

      Isn't that exactly why it should be in a dictionary? Somebody reading something from the early 1990s might come across it and want to check their understanding of the meaning. If I'm reading old literature I'm rather glad that my dictionary includes "sweven" and "parfay" precisely because I don't normally use those words.

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    4. Re:meh, Webster's by digitig · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I gave up on Webster's as an authoritative source on the English language after they added bling to its dictionary.

      What do you mean by "authoritative"? Do you think that the purpose of a dictionary is to tell you how the language should be used or to report how it actually is used? Most dictionary compilers see themselves as having the latter role, in which case "bling" certainly deserves a place.

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    5. Re:meh, Webster's by edalytical · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well how else are they going to pimp their dictionary to metrosexuals?

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    6. Re:meh, Webster's by Mr.+Slippery · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Uneducated ghetto people either made up the word bling, or mangled some other well-meaning word from English, and then it was allowed back into English as a derivation?

      Rather like the words "jazz" and "hiphop", and the usage of "cool", "chill out", "hip", "dig" to refer to things other the temperature, anatomy, and holes.

      The "Black American" dialect (call it "African American Vernacular English", call it "ghetto talk", whatever) has long been a primary source of new words and inventive uses for old ones.

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  7. Re:Eye Four One... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    If Merriam-Webster is going to start adding geek words (though the ones added are of a questionable credibility), I petition that they also add geek words with much more historical and cultural significance.

    Yes, it is time a major dictionary added the word 'goatse'. But they should hide it in a tiny locked compartment in the back of the dictionary to seal up the evil it contains. Precautions must be taken to prevent unsuspecting people from accidentally reading words of this much power.

  8. Valid Joke by Joebert · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can finally tell someone their picture should be in the dictionary under fanboy.

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    1. Re:Valid Joke by MagdJTK · · Score: 2, Funny

      I wouldn't be bragging about needing a dictionary with pictures in it...

  9. Re:Webinar? WTF? D'Oh! by try_anything · · Score: 4, Informative

    That's because the summary is wrong; "webinar" does not come from the geek world. It comes from the Dilbert world, where marketroids are compelled to make up stupid names for every mildly novel thing. Also, "pretexting" comes from the worlds of crime and espionage. The submitter learned about it in a geeky context (hacking) because the submitter is a geek and learns about most things in a geeky context.

  10. in one day, out the next by petes_PoV · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I wonder how much "staying power" some of these words will have. OK they've been around in specialised usages for some years, in an industry that's famous for making up new words. However, until they make the leap from being geek words to being words your mother would use I will still be sceptical that they haven't been properly accepted.

    This smacks of the dictionary trying to be overly trendy - I expect a lot of these will be quietly dropped from this dictionary in years to come.

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    1. Re:in one day, out the next by crossmr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Very little.
      I remember the first year I read about this trend. They were inducting "bootylicious". During the same induction, they were also putting in some slang term from the 50s which actually had staying power.
      it was apparent then that it was pure attention-whoring (if you look this up in MW you'll find a link to MW). People shouldn't be giving dictionaries which include these types of words the time of day.

  11. SCNR by Jesus_666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    pludge verb 1 [ intrans. ] to install an operating system update before verifying that it's safe to do so on the [Ars Mac forum]

    syn. "use Gentoo Linux"

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  12. Newspeak by sporkme · · Score: 2, Funny

    Efforting - V - newspeak - The act of an incompetent journalistic organization to appear busy - "We are efforting to bring you more details."

    I am hearing this more and more... I say STFU and just say "trying" or "working on" instead of bullshitting us while trying to sound cromulent.

    On that note, while they're at it, they ought to add STFU to their little book o' words. It is a perfectly spatulant word and the English-speaking world would be metalopulant to finally instructulate it offically.

  13. Re:Webinar? WTF? D'Oh! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yup. If they came from a geek angle they'd have the security definition of "social engineering". Their current entry defines social engineering as either "management of human beings in accordance with their place and function in society" or applied social science.

    Although, of course, the latter could be used as a cynical way of describing what social engineering is...

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  14. All perfectly cromulent words by bazorg · · Score: 4, Insightful

    now all we need is to add "cromulent" to the dictionary.

    1. Re:All perfectly cromulent words by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      now all we need is to add "cromulent" to the dictionary.

      I don't know why you say that, it is a perfectly cromulent word.

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cromulent

    2. Re:All perfectly cromulent words by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't see any reason to embiggen the dictionary.

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    3. Re:All perfectly cromulent words by X3J11 · · Score: 2, Funny

      I don't see any reason to embiggen the dictionary.

      Unless one wishes to enturbulate the masses.

    4. Re:All perfectly cromulent words by hey0you0guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are no words to describe the way i feel right now, so I'll make one up... Scrumtrelescent

  15. Missing a word by KinkyClown · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Strange thing is the most important NEW word is still not in the m-w...

    slashdot

  16. Old news by xalorous · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think it's too late. Already common use and even listed in some dictionaries.

    http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/google

    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/google (lists 5 references to google)

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  17. another reference by xalorous · · Score: 2, Informative
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  18. Oxford English by DanJ_UK · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "The Oxford English Dictionary has not yet seen the light, but it will, it will." Oh but it won't.

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    1. Re:Oxford English by argent · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, the OED is a descriptive dictionary, and historically has had a habit of picking up words that prescriptivists would rather not see listed. It may be a little less likely to acknowledge gratuitous verbogeny than Webster, but the staff of the OED has always taken their job to be the documentation of English as it is actually used.

  19. Re:Google?? by BlackCobra43 · · Score: 2, Funny

    All Google has to do is show they're trying to supress unauthorized verbing. It's for the best, really.

    Verbing weirds nouns.

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  20. Re:Google?? by Random+Destruction · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes. By adding a familiarity to the brand name if nothing else.

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  21. `fanboy' didn't come out of the IT culture by brokeninside · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Miriam-Webster folks document its first /recorded/ usage as early as 1919. Presumably, it had been in used in spoken form even earlier. So this is a case of the IT crowd adopting pre-existing slang rather than IT speak making its way out into the general culture. I gleaned this from the AP article. The interesting thing to me is how old some of these new words are, like usage of wing nut to describe a radical out in the far wing of a political party dates back to 1900.

  22. Re:Webinar? WTF? D'Oh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    At my last job everyone used the term webinar. Just because you have a unique experience doesn't mean everyone else has the same experience...

    Actually, if you have a unique experience, that specifically means that no one else has had that experience. I learned that at a recent company 'blogginar'.

  23. Re:Malware... how is this different than Bloatware by mooingyak · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've always understood the word malware to encompass actively malicious software. Bloat is annoying, a keylogger is malicious.

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  24. Mondegreen has been around far longer than 1995 by MinusOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I recall reading a Jon Carrol column in the SF Chronicle about mondegreens in about 1986. IT was at the least no later than 1987. And now that I look in Wikipedia, the word was coined in 1954:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen

    Some people just take a very long time to catch up with the cool kids :)