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Ulysses Spacecraft Not Dead Yet

iminplaya sends in the good news that reports of the death of the Ulysses mission are premature. (We've discussed the impending shutdown of the 17-year-old mission a couple of times this year.) Ulysses is a joint NASA / ESA mission to study the sun from an orbit inclined almost 90 degrees from the ecliptic. From the Planetary Society blog post: "Ulysses is not dead yet. ESA issued a statement in February saying that, as Ulysses' radioisotope thermoelectric generators were running out of power, the spacecraft would likely die some time this year. The actual death blow to the spacecraft was likely to be the freezing of hydrazine fuel in a cold spot in a fuel line. Mission controllers found creative ways to prevent the freezing, but the solution was not a long-term one, and ESA had a ceremonial send-off and wrap-up of the mission in mid-June, announcing that the spacecraft would be shut down on July 1. However, it now appears that announcement was premature. ESA issued a statement on July 3 titled 'Ulysses hanging on valiantly.' And on Wednesday, the [Ulysses mission operations manager indicated] that Ulysses' voyage could actually continue for some time."

78 comments

  1. Of course it's not dead ... by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Funny

    At least not until Netcraft confirms it.

    And maybe not even then ...

    1. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by ya+really · · Score: 1

      Not dead. Just takes way too long to read and interpret.

    2. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Of course it's not dead ...

      That's right, it's not dead, not even close. In fact the people who said it's dead probably don't even know what something dead looks like.

      However in other news, BSD is dead.

    3. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!
      No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.
      Look, matey, I know a dead spacecraft when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.
      No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable ship, the Ulysses, idn'it, ay? Beautiful solar collectors!
      The solar collectors don't enter into it. It's stone dead.
      Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!
      All right then, if he's restin', I'll wake him up! (shouting at the cage) 'Ello, Mister Ulysses! I've got a lovely fresh battery for you if you show...(owner hits the retros)
      There, he moved!
      No, he didn't, that was you hitting the retros!
      I never!!
      Yes, you did!
      I never, never did anything...
      (yelling) 'ELLO ULYSSES!!!!! Testing! Testing! Testing! Testing! This is your nine o'clock alarm call!

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    4. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by 4D6963 · · Score: 1

      Of course it's not dead...

      It's resting!

      *ducks*

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    5. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by grumling · · Score: 3, Funny

      probably pining for the fjords.

      And now...

      http://www.mwscomp.com/movies/grail/grail-02.htm

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    6. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jolly good

      Wakey Wakey Mr Grany
      Nudge Nudge Wink Wink

    7. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by davolfman · · Score: 1

      You stunned 'im!

    8. Re:Of course it's not dead ... by ontheroll · · Score: 1

      Monty Python lawyers are on funny walking their way to you as I write this message. They should arrive sometime after ulysses dies.

  2. Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by morari · · Score: 4, Funny

    It'll probably return after twenty years or so, Poseidon be damned!

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    1. Re:Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      An appropriate poem for a dieing spacecraft.

      Come, my friends,
      'T is not too late to seek a newer world.
      Push off, and sitting well in order smite
      The sounding furrows; for my purpose holds
      To sail beyond the sunset, and the baths
      Of all the western stars, until I die.
      It may be that the gulfs will wash us down:
      It may be we shall touch the Happy Isles,
      And see the great Achilles, whom we knew.
      Tho' much is taken, much abides; and tho'
      We are not now that strength which in old days
      Moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are;
      One equal temper of heroic hearts,
      Made weak by time and fate, but strong in will
      To strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield.

    2. Re:Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 2, Funny

      He's going to be pissed when he sees all the other satellites trying to make it with his wife.

    3. Re:Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      A dieing spacecraft is a spacecraft working in a factory?

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    4. Re:Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It'll probably return after twenty years or so

      An appropriate poem

      Meh. I've got a better one...

      Ulysses, Ulysses, soaring through all the galaxies, in search of Earth, flying into the night!
      Ulysses, Ulysses, fighting evil and tyranny with all his heart and with all of his might!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, no-one else can do the things you do!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, like a bolt of thunder from the blue!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, always fighting all the evil forces, bringing peace and justice to all!

    5. Re: Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by h4rm0ny · · Score: 1


      Well that certainly beats the lines I was going to post:

      Ulysses, Ulysses, soaring through all the galaxies, in search of Earth, flying into the night!
      Ulysses, Ulysses, fighting evil and tyranny with all his heart and with all of his might!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, no-one else can do the things you do!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, like a bolt of thunder from the blue!
      Ulysseee-eee-eees, always fighting all the evil forces, bringing peace and justice to all!

      It's me Nono, small robot you know, friend of Ulysses!
      Uly-eeessseess!
      It's me Nono, small robot you know, friend of Ulysses!

      Ulysses, Ulysses, could not find his destiny, leaving earth such a long time ago! (AIR GUITAR)

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    6. Re:Of Course Ulysses' Not Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What an amazing poem -- many thanks for bringing it to my attention.

  3. End idea by Iceykitsune · · Score: 0

    When it IS going to end, plunge it into the sun with all the sensors sending as much data as they can.

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    1. Re:End idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh for fuck's sake, for the last time on /. IT CAN'T BE DONE.

      You think it's like turning your car to make a left hand turn of something?!

      Momentum... look it up.

    2. Re:End idea by sjames · · Score: 4, Informative

      If it had enough left for that sort of maneuver, it wouldn't be in trouble. Of course, it never had enough fuel to do that. It had just enough to reach a Juipiter fly-by in order to get into a near polar orbit of the Sun.

    3. Re:End idea by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you plan to arrange that close encounter when its current orbit takes it nowhere near Jupiter, genius?

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    4. Re:End idea by caluml · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do you plan to arrange that close encounter when its current orbit takes it nowhere near Jupiter, genius?

      Move Jupiter then. Mohammed, mountain, mountain, Mohammed. Think outside the box sometime, genius. :)

    5. Re:End idea by toddestan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ulysses will get near Jupiter eventually. Maybe if instead of stating that "its current orbit takes it nowhere near Jupiter" you had tried to prove it by posting orbital elements, you would have seen the flaw in your thinking.

      "Eventually" isn't going to help any, if by that time the RTG is cooled down enough so that the hydrazine has frozen to a solid so that the craft can't be manuevered for the fly-by. That would be the flaw in your thinking.

    6. Re:End idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeeeeeeeesus, I thought people on /. were supposed to be smart...

    7. Re:End idea by IdeaMan · · Score: 1

      I think that's the "Lower the gravitational constant of the universe" type answer. It worked with a few modifications IIRC.

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  4. Tales of Brave Ulysses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
    But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.

    And the colors of the sea blind your eyes with trembling mermaids,
    And you touch the distant beaches with tales of brave Ulysses:
    How his naked ears were tortured by the sirens sweetly singing,
    For the sparkling waves are calling you to kiss their white laced lips.

    And you see a girl's brown body dancing through the turquoise,
    And her footprints make you follow where the sky loves the sea.
    And when your fingers find her, she drowns you in her body,
    Carving deep blue ripples in the tissues of your mind.

    The tiny purple fishes run laughing through your fingers,
    And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

    Her name is Aphrodite and she rides a crimson shell,
    And you know you cannot leave her for you touched the distant sands
    With tales of brave Ulysses; how his naked ears were tortured
    By the sirens sweetly singing.

    The tiny purple fishes run lauging through your fingers,
    And you want to take her with you to the hard land of the winter.

    1. Re:Tales of Brave Ulysses by morari · · Score: 1

      Always hard to beat The Cream!

      On a related note, give Symphony X's "The Odyssey" a listen. It's a true rock opera.

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    2. Re:Tales of Brave Ulysses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gee, I wish I'd thought of that, say, 45 minutes ago... Oh, wait - I did!

    3. Re:Tales of Brave Ulysses by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Then you've got to do the lead bit:
      "Daaaa dum da da daa..."

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  5. olig... by nih · · Score: 0

    i'm not dead yet!

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    1. Re:olig... by Trikenstein · · Score: 1

      Soooo, it doesn't want to go on the cart?

    2. Re:olig... by ichthyoboy · · Score: 1

      No...in fact, the last data transmission received by the ESA ended with, "I think I'll go for a walk!"

  6. today's NASA kids could learn from this. by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You don't need billion dollar budget programs to achieve amazing science, low cost well thought out missions can do great things. maybe it's the thinking part that has them stumped.

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    1. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      It's entirely possible that lack of funding could kill it before the hydrazine freezes over.

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    2. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by nacturation · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How do the inflation-adjusted costs of previous missions compare to current mission costs?
       

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    3. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 2, Informative

      ESA says the total cost of Ulysses has been about 1 billion Euro, which is about $1.5 billion US. Might want to try a different example.

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    4. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well there's a tagline: "Lack of funding, kills stuff faster then outer space". I reckon the military might even pay to turn that into a weapon.

    5. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of "Faster, cheaper, better?"

    6. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by timmarhy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      that's 1.5 billion OVER 17 YEARS.

      that's bargin basement space exploration. it's the perfect example, thank you very much.

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    7. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by JoeRobe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      a) Ulysses has cost over a billion.

      b) NASA has had spacecraft which have lasted longer than anyone thought they would. The current Mars rovers for example, and Mars Pathfinder, as well as the Galileo spacecraft, which had at least 4 extended missions. Not to mention the Voyagers. The correlation between cost and the lifetime of the craft is not coincidental.

      c) Having a mission that lasts a long time is not indicative of a well thought out mission. I think if any agency is going to blow 1 billion on a mission, they're going to think it out pretty damn well. Imagine the public backlash if it weren't thought out (i.e. Mars Polar Lander)...

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    8. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by smaddox · · Score: 1

      Isn't separating an enemy from his funding one of the oldest military tactics in existence?

    9. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there's a tagline: "Lack of funding, kills stuff faster then outer space". I reckon the military might even pay to turn that into a weapon.

      yes, now if the CIA would stop funding people like osama and hussein....

    10. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by macbuzz01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      $241,575.069 per day in US dollars.

    11. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Craft and instruments that out live their missions by as long as some of those have were over-engineered.

      Yes, it's great that those are still useful, but it means that they were over-engineered and cost more than they really needed to. That's money which could be spent on other missions.

      I'm not suggesting that NASA have its budget slashed, but praising an agency for what is essentially a form of screwing up isn't great. Or that projects be designed to last exactly the length of time desired, but ideally projects shouldn't require additional objectives after they launch to get the most out of them.

    12. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by timmarhy · · Score: 1
      i think you misunderstand what i was getting at - what did it cost to get the craft up there? if you choose to keep operating after it's inital objectives are complete that's going to be outside what's budgeted for the program. hence you don't NEED to blow billions just to complete a single mission when for a mere 1.5billion these old probes have completed MANY missions.

      to put this in perspective it costs 1.3 billion PER MISSION for the shuttles, and it's predicted the shuttle program will have cost 173 billion when it wraps up in 2010. http://www.space.com/news/shuttle_cost_050211.html

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    13. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Free+the+Cowards · · Score: 1, Troll

      I understand his point fine. I even agree with it. But the fact of the matter is that this mission cost well over one billion dollars, which contradicts the basic statement he made in the original post.

      What is it with space advocates and facts, never the twain shall meet? Any time you point out that things aren't as rosy as stated, you get all kinds of wacky defensive maneuvering instead of a simple "you're right about that, but".

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    14. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      *sigh* Another gag lost in space...

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    15. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Actually no, they tried that and they had a bunch of mostly failed missions.  That's why they quit doing that.

      Space travel isn't that easy for us, yet.

    16. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you factor in inflation? Yes, most people forget inflation.

    17. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by Taleron · · Score: 1

      If I were trying to hit the bullseye of a dartboard from 400 million miles with a 400 million dollar tea kettle, I think I'd want and possibly need to over-engineer the tea kettle.

    18. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by dylan_- · · Score: 1

      $241,575.069 per day in US dollars.

      Well, I can't believe you put down this as accurately as 0.1 of a cent, but:

      • Our year actually averages out to 365.2425, which gives $241,580.03 a day. Still, if you've thought of .25 I guess .2425 is easy to remember.
      • You could think of this as the amount the US national debt increases every 20 seconds or so. In other words, if you're not worried about the national debt, why worry about this expenditure?
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    19. Re:today's NASA kids could learn from this. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sometimes, over-engineering is exactly the right thing to do.

      If they built it "just right" and any little thing went wrong, the mission fails and the money is all down the drain.

      Over-engineer and you're much more likely to accomplish the mission. Usually, you get to add an extended secondary mission so the extra cost isn't a waste.

  7. In this case ... by CustomDesigned · · Score: 1

    you would need [space] Craft Net to confirm it.

  8. Tales of Great Ulysses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else hearing Cream in their heads about now? It should be the mission theme song.

  9. Of Course Ulysses's Dead! by MRe_nl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ulysses S. Grant died at 8:06 a.m. on Thursday, July 23, 1885, at the age of 63 in Mount McGregor, Saratoga County, New York. His last word was a request, "Hydrazine."

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    1. Re:Of Course Ulysses's Dead! by pharwell · · Score: 1

      Ulysses S. Grant died at 8:06 a.m. on Thursday, July 23, 1885, at the age of 63 in Mount McGregor, Saratoga County, New York. His last word was a request, "Hydrazine."

      Yeah, he may be dead, but who's buried in Grant's tomb?

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    2. Re:Of Course Ulysses's Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh right! Look kids! An American! The most famous Ulysses he knows is some army general...

    3. Re:Of Course Ulysses's Dead! by QuoteMstr · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, to be fair, Odysseus was a general of sorts too. :-)

    4. Re:Of Course Ulysses's Dead! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I get it right, do I get to play LSL?

  10. Tales of Brave Ulysses by Alarindris · · Score: 1

    You thought the leaden winter would bring you down forever,
    But you rode upon a steamer to the violence of the sun.

  11. Ulysses Spacecraft Not Dead Yet by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ulysses Spacecraft Not Dead Yet

    Hmm, that reminded me of this movie...

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  12. Thank you by gerf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Thank you for telling people their idea is stupid. Sometimes they need it, the uneducated louts.

    Now, I think NASA is overlooking a completely obvious and fooldproof solution. Problem: they have frozen pipes. They're also near the Sun. A quick flyby of the sun for some warmth, and they're good to go! However, if I remember my science classes correctly, they have to keep the pass under a certain speed, or they run into problems with humpback whales.

    1. Re:Thank you by hedwards · · Score: 3, Funny

      Nonsense, they merely have to keep it going at least 50mph, otherwise a crazed biker will blow it up.

    2. Re:Thank you by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      And they'll have to keep it under 88 or the Flux Capacitor'll kick in and then it'll end up before it was launched...

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    3. Re:Thank you by HeadlessNotAHorseman · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, if they can get it to reach 88mph, and source 1.2 jigawatts of energy from the sun, they could send it back in time and find out once and for all if the earth really was created 6000 years ago!

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  13. It just needs to... by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

    ...find the kingdom of Hades; then the pipes won't be as lifeless as stone anymore and it can return home.

    Ulysses, Ulysses
    Soaring through all the galaxies
    In search of Earth
    Flying into the night...

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  14. Ejection from the solar system? by Phil+Karn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The blog article at the Planetary Society website says that Ulysses will encounter Jupiter and be ejected from the solar system. Is this a theoretical possibility, or has a date for this been determined? Ulysses originally encountered Jupiter to fling it out of the ecliptic plane so it could study the sun at high latitudes. Its aphelion is still at Jupiter's orbit. If it encounters Jupiter again, any number of things could happen to it. The statement about it being ejected seems to imply that a specific encounter trajectory is already predicted.

  15. oblig. python by simplerThanPossible · · Score: 1

    I'm feeling better

  16. Ulysses Spacecraft Not Dead Yet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zombie!

  17. Orbiting what??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Am I the only one that immediately thought.....

    Whats a spacecraft doing orbiting an epileptic??

  18. It's a rewrite of the original by Dante by Kupfernigk · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Dante, Inferno, Canto 26

    Written over 700 years ago and still brilliant. This is just a small extract:

    "O frati", dissi "che per cento milia
    perigli siete giunti a l'occidente,
    a questa tanto picciola vigilia
    d'i nostri sensi ch'è del rimanente,
    non vogliate negar l'esperienza,
    di retro al sol, del mondo sanza gente.
    Considerate la vostra semenza:
    fatti non foste a viver come bruti,
    ma per seguir virtute e canoscenza''.
    Li miei compagni fec'io sì aguti,
    con questa orazion picciola, al cammino,
    che a pena poscia li avrei ritenuti;
    e volta nostra poppa nel mattino,
    de' remi facemmo ali al folle volo,
    sempre acquistando dal lato mancino.
    Tutte le stelle già de l'altro polo
    vedea la notte e 'l nostro tanto basso,
    che non surgea fuor del marin suolo.

    "O brothers", I said, "who through a hundred thousand perils have sailed together towards the West
    In this so small watch of our senses that is left to us, I do not wish to miss the experience of following the Sun to the world without people.
    Consider the seed which gave rise to you: You were not made to live like animals, but to follow power and knowledge"

    By this little speech I made my companions desire the journey so much I could scarcely have called them back:
    We turned our poop to the morning, and made our oars wings in our mad flight, constantly gaining on the port side.
    We saw at night all the stars of the South Pole, and our own could not rise out of the sea.

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  19. a useless spacecraft? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does anyone care whether it's dead or not if it's useless?

  20. It's the "last voyage" by Kupfernigk · · Score: 1
    I've posted a brief extract from Dante below, but the Ulysses reference may not be to the return from Ilion (Odysseus/Ulysses are usually assumed to be the same hero). It is the last voyage not mentioned by Homer, but for which there seems to be another source. After his return to Ithaca Ulysses decides to make a last voyage with his companions to see the Western Mediterranean. He eventually passes beyond the Straits of Herakles (Gibraltar) and never returns.

    In Dante (Commedia,Inf 26) his voyage beyond the Straits takes him to a point spherically opposite Jerusalem where he encounters the Mount of Purgatory (don't blame me, I didn't invent Catholic mythology) and his ship is sunk by a tornado before he can land on it. I assume that the idea of the voyage beyond the limits of what is known is the reason it is called Ulysses, not the ability to invent nasty tricks to defeat the Trojans.

    Incidentally, Odysseus got a mention recently because astronomical references in Homer have allowed his return to Ithaca and defeat of the Suitors to be exactly dated. A knowledge of the classics may be utterly irrelevant nowadays, but it is interesting.

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  21. Aliens Refueled it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some aliens stopped by and topped it off for us.