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The Push For Quotas For Women In Science
mlimber writes "The NYTimes has a story about how Congress has quietly begun to press for an equal number of women in the hard sciences and engineering under Title IX, which is best known for mandating numerical equality for boys' and girls' sports for institutions that accept federal funding. The problem is, the article says, it is not merely that women face discrimination from male colleagues, though that is often true, or that they are discouraged from pursuing these fields. Rather, women with aptitude in these areas often simply have other interests and so pursue their education and careers in other fields like law, education, or biology. Opponents of this plan, including many women in scientific fields, say implementing sex-based quotas will actually be detrimental because it will communicate that the women can't compete on even terms with men and will be 'devastating' to the quality of science 'if every male-dominated field has to be calibrated to women's level of interest.'"
Now they will actually see some girls.
Love many, trust a few, do harm to none.
The Title 9 information that arrives at my house is full of hot chicks in Lycra.
Hopefully this new bill won't mean that they'll instead be pictured in poorly chosen "business casual" dress with polyester ties.
Nullius in verba
We must force women to enter careers in hard sciences and engineering.
Oliver's law of assumed responsibility: If you're seen fixing it, you will be blamed for breaking it.
This being the modern, alternate-lifestyle tolerating, 'don't judge anyone' time we live in....will undeniable evidence be required to prove one is female? Will applications need to drop trow (or lift skirt) to allow the scientific community to prove the theory that one is actually a woman?
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More chicks? Sounds like an excellent idea.
Currently any woman can get(or give) a-head simply by batting an eyelash to the boss while her male peers toil long hours unnoticed.
Mandatory female quotas would be a godsend -- they'd have to compete not only against ugly fat guys, but against themselves! It'd be a most entertaining fight for the hottest, most attention-gettingest queen of them all. The males would win either way as they could heed the Middle East exit strategy that never was(that is, to stand back and let the others kill each other).
Endless, entertaining gossip and ever-shrinking outfits would load a volatile powder keg whose explosion would culminate in a sweaty break-room battle with girl-on-girl action, strategically torn clothing, perhaps some spare jello from the fridge, and only one victor - the men!
We need quotas that force supermodels to date software engineers! We demand equal time!
Yeh, Like Law and Medicine.
I don't think you've ever actually had a conversation with a real female human.
PROTIP: Real women don't actually behave like girls in porn, anime, or action flicks.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
And yes I really am a woman. I really am
Outrageous claims are made on /. every day. Given the demographics of this site, you will have do to more the words. To borrow from Shakespeare, me thinks the carbonunit doth protest to much...however, on the off chance I may be wrong, I am a mature minded nerd with actual outside interests besides computers. Now tell us all you have a husband or boyfriend otherwise I'd like to finally claim first post!
Life is a great ride, the vehicle doesn't matter
And for the record ... I've lacked a penis.
Do you tell this to everybody? I'm assuming you are not a woman because most women don't feel that they need to inform everyone that they do not have certain organs that the species in general possesses.
Have you considered that perhaps you've just lost it? Feel around for a while and you might find it again. Good luck in your search!
Congress needs to also consider numerical equal quotas for jobs in Wax Salons. How many men are given the opportunity to exercise their craft in performing a Brazilian wax? None, I tell you, it is discrimination!
Success is a zero-sum game.
Women can only be successful in any given field if accompanied by an equal loss upon the account of Men.
Quotas ensure that those who would normally be held back by lack of things like ambition, interest, or ability can still participate. Albeit, at the expense of those who don't lack.
If we have to screw over white males to hookup everyone who isn't a white male, so be it. It's "progressive"!
--The Liberals.
Where is the push for sex quotas in space? Where is the push for the space-based study of elderly people with dentures giving oral sex in microgravity?!?
Spacecorps Directives be damned!
Ahh, shit. I've had lacked a penis. I deserve that for missing such an obvious mistake.
Cynical Idealist
And what about stewardesses / Flight Attendants? Are they going to take the fun out of flying too? (sorry, but there is no joy in being buckled in an aluminum tube at 40000 feet surrounded by non-hetero males wearing uniforms). And what about Playboy/Penthouse? Are they going to enforce quota's there too? Isn't there anything sacred in this world?
It only takes one man to change the Wisdom of the Crowd to Tyranny of the Masses.
Imperial College doesn't :-(
Uh oh. That's dangerous thinking. I'm pleased to inform you that you'll be first against the wall in an Obama administration.
That would be awesome solely on the basis that it means we get to fire half of Congress.
Okay, so let's get this straight. You had an addadicktome after having a lopitoffofme ...
His joke was funnier than yours.
woman have been groomed to not speak MALE. go figure.
but they're really good at feeding mosquitoes.
That's interesting. I certainly have talked to a few women feminists who seem to hate men (well, dislike them very much). In fact, this one woman who spoke at the Feminist Forum at my school got married to a man, but he was the only man in the whole ceremony. Every person at the wedding, besides the groom, was female, including the priest. Now, I don't know about you, but that can't be natural and certainly isn't equality-minded. I'm sure that quite a few of the people who are motivated enough to constantly lobby for legislation like this are probably misguided like that woman was--bent the opposite way that a redneck is. Perhaps some of these uber-feminists (post-feminists?) really do hate men, and no doubt for some of them it IS a gender war. But, for most people this is still about equality.
I tend to be pretty equality-minded myself, but I'm also aware that there are REAL biological differences between men and women, and that reflects itself in the social system. See, it's not just social conditioning that determines behavior: biology partly determines social behavior! Perhaps care-taking occupational fields are more common for women because that also happens to be a major genetic imperative for women, even more so than men (yes, breasts are for more than just sexual objects, in fact in some cultures they are not considered more sexual objects than the neck or the navel). How come animal behavior is considered almost entirely genetically determined by PC people cannot admit that human behavior may be even somewhat determined by genes?
(I was a member of the feminist forum, even though I'm a guy... Hey, I was single!)
Well we would like to employ you to fill our quotas because you are a black, violant, terroristic, drug dealing lesbian.
Would you consider becoming jewish?
I'd like you to meet my friend, Miss Ogyny. Oh dear, I see you've been dominated by her, too.
you're also a fucking idiot, like most gay people.
Well, no, that's just you being stupid. The grandparent is a self-described liberal, so he probably has all sorts of incorrect opinions, but most of what he stated in his post is not unreasonable.
By the way, there's plenty of valid reasons to post anonymously. Abject cowardice isn't one of them. Hey, the gay liberal was braver than you!
Okay, so we have gender equality in science. You've raised racial equality. What about sexual orientation too?
The way I see it, we now need the industry's population to be enforced to:
12.5% - Gay, white, male
12.5% - Gay, white, female
12.5% - Gay, non-white, male
12.5% - Gay, non-white, female
12.5% - Straight, white, male
12.5% - Straight, white, female
12.5% - Straight, non-white, male
12.5% - Straight, non-white, female
But what if we get age equality in there too? Do we now need 6.25% segments with old and young of gay/straight, black/white, male/female? What about transgendered people? Do they get a slice of the pie? I'd also want to include people from the US versus not from the US. Oh, and don't forget people with Down's Syndrome.
At this rate, there'd only be one guy sitting in the computer science department with 99 vacancies going. The problem is, legally they can't discriminate when posting job vacancies, so how will the quota be filled? Who will find that gay Chinese hermaphrodite needed to fill a 1%?
one of my co-workers went back to school. He says the majority of the CS grad program is indian.
All kidding aside, women scientists are hot.
Oh Scully, I want to believe.
In a male dominated society, of course you'd expect a widespread belief that male interests and are superior and therefore "more rewarding" and "valuable".
My wife has made it quite clear that males' interests are far less interesting than females' interests. I agree wholeheartedly with her, and will continue to do so as long as she has a vagina.
God invented whiskey so the Irish would not rule the world.
She must be drinking Powerthirst. Sounds like you might become a prolific uncle :)
Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
In the interest of gender equality the above quote must be ignored until it can be attributed to a woman.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.