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The Largest Recorded Tsunami Was 50 Years Ago

An anonymous reader writes "July marks the 50th anniversary of the world's largest tsunami — a 1,720-foot-tall wave in Lituya Bay, Alaska. It was triggered by a chain reaction of events that began with a magnitude 7.7 earthquake on the Fairweather Fault, which dislodged a rock fall of 40 million cubic yards, that fell 3,000 feet and splashed into the northwest end of Lituya Bay to generate the wave. This article includes survivor accounts, maps, a satellite image, and photos taken right after the event." To be fair, eyewitness accounts put the height of the wave as it came toward their boats at perhaps 100 feet. The tsunami scoured the land of vegetation and soil to a height of 1,720 feet above sea level, however.

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  1. Feet and yards? by Squapper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in the 21:st century, you insensitive clod!

    1. Re:Feet and yards? by Eddi3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In all seriousness, this happened in the US, so I'd say it's only fitting that the units of measure are ones that Americans use.

    2. Re:Feet and yards? by WingedHorse · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In all seriousness, this happened in the US, so I'd say it's only fitting that the units of measure are ones that Americans use.

      I agree. Because if this would have happened in france, it'd be only fitting that these news were in french.

      Only reason to use american measurements would be if this would be aimed directly for americans. If so, why post it on international site (I think that the majority of people browsing this site aren't americans. Are there any public statistics?)

      Then again, I don't know who is this aimed to. Why is this on "News for nerds" site as it isn't really news or for nerds... So I don't personally care which measurements are used.

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    3. Re:Feet and yards? by rodney+dill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This happened 50 years ago in the US with the 'reporting' done by Americans. They used the measurements of the place and time. There is no need to go back and convert everything to metric.

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    4. Re:Feet and yards? by stderr_dk · · Score: 2, Insightful

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      Those stats might not be up to date...

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    5. Re:Feet and yards? by thc4k · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought this is the internet.

      100 feet = 30.48 m
      1720 feet = 524.26 m
      3000 feet = 914.4 m
      4e10 yards**3 = 3.658e10 m**3
      7.7 on the Richter scale = 355e9 ton TNT = 1.484e18 J

    6. Re:Feet and yards? by an.echte.trilingue · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I get so sick of this debate. This is US data from the 1950's, it makes sense to present it in the manner that it was measured. We're not talking ells here. Is it really that hard to divide by 3? Is it that hard to look up a fathom?

      There is nothing inherently superior about the metric system. Why does dividing by 10 matter so much, anyway? Because you have 10 fingers? Really, we should be trying to move to a system of measure that is base 2.

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    7. Re:Feet and yards? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's time for the US to upgrade.

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    8. Re:Feet and yards? by steveo777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm an American and I would so much rather see everything in Metric. I think the main reason this is in the old, crappy system is not because it's written 'for us' or whatever, but because of the year it happened. Though I would think that the guys collecting the data would use metric anyway...

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    9. Re:Feet and yards? by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So it's about lowering the bar so anyone can do it without any effort?

      I guess this puts some things into perspective.

    10. Re:Feet and yards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "There is nothing inherently superior about the metric system."

      Of course there is. It uses powers of ten, which is easy math, it's trivial to relate volume-mass-distance measures (1cm^3=1mL water=1g, 1m^3 of water = 1000kg = 1 tonne), it doesn't have half a dozen wacky variations on the same damn unit (it was 5 ounces: would that be the International avoirdupois ounce, the International troy ounce, the Apothocaries' ounce, the Dutch metric ounce, the Maria Theresa ounce, or, wait, is it possible you mean one of the 3 variations of fluid ounces?). It's the same messy story for "pounds", "gallons", and so on. If you're lucky there are only 2 common versions.

      I mean, yes, you're right, it's just a matter of convention and units are always interconvertable, but to say there isn't anything inherently superior about the metric system is nuts. What's convenient about remembering that miles have 5280 feet? Oh, wait, just to be clear I meant an international mile, not the U.S. survey mile (5280 survey feet) or international nautical mile (about 6076 feet). (AAAAAUGH!)

      Have you ever noticed that virtually ALL Imperial units are now defined in terms of the metric system? An inch isn't an inch anymore, it's 2.54 centimetres exactly. There's a reason for that -- because the metric system isn't built on a shifting sand of dozens of different archaic national standards and conventions for their usage.

      The only thing better about the Imperial system is a metric buttload of inertia in people's brains and the convenience of powers-of-two fractions for some measures. But you can use powers-of-two fractions to express things in metric too if you want.

      If you like the Imperial systems please stick with one of them, but you'll never convince me that the metric system is merely on par, especially for anything scientific.

    11. Re:Feet and yards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the point is that 36430 meters are exactly 36.43 kilometers. The conversion never involves calculations which negatively affect the precision in base ten. If people in the US used a base 2, 12 or 60 number system and a matching unit system, it would make sense, but the imperial unit system is neither advantageous in a different number system nor consistent within itself. It's a relic from an era when measurements didn't have to be exact and estimates were more important than calculations.

    12. Re:Feet and yards? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Without using a calculator, 6000 feet are how many miles?"

      Would that be international miles, U.S. survey miles, or international nautical miles?

      I don't know. AAAAAUUUUGH! (Falls into Gorge of Eternal Peril)

    13. Re:Feet and yards? by jimbolauski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      1760 yards, 5280 ft, 63360 in. That has more to do with the calculator dependence then knowing conversion factors.

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    14. Re:Feet and yards? by Bruce+Dawson · · Score: 2, Insightful
      In addition to being a massively multi-base system (base 12, base 3, based 5,280?) it is a system where the same word has many meanings:

      inch: this was only standardized in 1958. Prior to that there were at least two commonly used inches which were slightly different from the 2.54 mm inch which is now the standard. Even now the survey inch (old US inch) is still used in some contexts.
      gallon: the imperial and US gallons are different -- one is 128 fluid ounces and the other is 160 fluid ounces, which is why US cars get fewer miles to the gallon than UK cars :-)
      fluid ounce: the imperial and US fluid ounces are different sizes -- US fluid ounce is about 4% heavier
      ounce: ignoring fluid ounces there is still the avoirdupois ounce, troy ounce, and others. And oh, by the way, a troy pound has 12 troy ounces, instead of the usual 16. The troy ounce is still used for precious metals.
      The metric system is much easier to work with, especially when doing calculations in your head. It also makes it easier to do conversions between types of units (a liter is approximately 1000 cubic centimeters and weighs approximately a kilogram -- or maybe it's exact). However arguably the best reason to ditch inches/gallons/ounces is because the whole inches/gallons/ounces system is actually several different systems.

  2. The eye witness account... by Splab · · Score: 3, Insightful

    states they where on 5 fathoms = 30 feet of water, the wave was 100 feet high (I'm guessing the guy means 100 feet above normal level) so that makes the wave 130 feet (40 m.) That is one fudging big wave, but its far from 1725 feet (525m.) high - its far more likely that the 130 feet of wave being pressed up the small valley will have so much force it will keep climbing up to that level.

    1. Re:The eye witness account... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you ever seen models of tsunami?

      a 100' wave in 30' of water does not become a 130' wave in 0' of water. This would be equivalent to saying that a 1' wave in 1000' of water becomes a 1001' wave at landfall.

      What happens is that as the water becomes more shallow, the leading edge of the wave slows down, while the deeper water at the back of the wave continues to move quickly. As a result, the wave compresses horizontally, and grows vertically.

      This is similar to what you're saying about the 130' feet of wave being pushed up the valley -- but it's important to note that the wave "being pushed up the valley" to 1725' is the same thing as saying the wave was 1725' high.

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  3. Re:Units by jacquesm · · Score: 2, Insightful

    said the guy that wasted the first post spot with 'frosty piss'... class act indeed. Pot, kettle, black.

  4. Base ten by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nothing inherently superior about the metric system.

    Sure there is. Ease of unit conversion and ease of communication with the REST OF THE FREAKING WORLD. We live in a global economy - we should start acting like it.

    Why does dividing by 10 matter so much, anyway? Because you have 10 fingers?

    Because we use a base 10 counting system for most calculations. Having a measurement system that is highly compatible with the numeral system most humans use makes sense.

    Really, we should be trying to move to a system of measure that is base 2.

    Really? Go ahead and tell your mother you came 1011 miles to see her - I'm sure she'll be impressed.

    1. Re:Base ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      12 being evenly divisible by 2,3, and 4 is
      quite convenient in some domains, particulary
      construction.

    2. Re:Base ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      we should all be using the same language, and cursing out those heathens who refuse to abandon the language that they're used to. Yet we're not...

      Genau meine Rede. Wir sollten einfach alle weiter unsere eigenen Einheiten verwenden und unsere eigene Sprache sprechen. Es macht nämlich zu viel Arbeit, das alles neu zu lernen, nur um mit anderen Menschen kommunizieren zu können und um willkürliche Umrechnungsfaktoren unnötig zu machen. Solche Anstrengungen sind wirklich zu viel verlangt, und bisher hat auch niemand diese Mühen auf sich genommen. Das ist leicht daran erkennbar, in wie vielen verschiedenen Sprachen alleine in diesem Forum Kommentare geschrieben werden. Wer Sarkasmus findet, darf ihn behalten.

    3. Re:Base ten by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ease of conversion? Are you kidding?

      Not a bit.

      It's no easier to convert in either system...

      If you want to believe that dividing by some arbitrary conversion factor is easier than moving a decimal you just go right ahead believing your delusions. By your own arguments it's the same difficulty with a calculator and metric is easier without one. QED metric is easier overall. You should be disappearing in a poof of logic right now.

      Ease of communication doesn't cut it, either.

      Riiiiiight. Because unit conversion mistakes never occur and it's MUCH easier to do unit conversions than to just use the same measurement system everywhere.

      Even ignoring social issues There is a measurable economic cost to using multiple measurement systems. It adds unneeded complexity to business, engineering and scientific endeavors especially those that cross international boundaries.

      By your logic, we should all be using the same language...

      I don't recall ever saying that and I would have said that if that is what I meant. However, English has become the de-facto language of international commerce and scientific discourse if you want to get picky about it. No need to "curse the heathens" since 95% of the world seems to realize that a common measurement system is a useful thing.

      Besides imperial units these days are defined against metric units. An inch is explicitly defined as 2.54 centimeters. So you're using metric whether you realize it or not. Why not just cut out the complication and use the real thing?

    4. Re:Base ten by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      when I don't have a calculator on hand, which is extremely rarely.

      What do you sleep with one under your pillow or something? I'm sure you'll be doing lots of unit conversions using a calculator while driving at highway speeds.

      I didn't say you said it. I said your logic...

      Since you proved you couldn't follow your own logic I'll just keep presuming you can't follow mine. I'm well aware of what follows from the logic of my statements. And for the record, yes having a single language would be very helpful in a lot of ways - and tragic in others. But that is an irrelevant strawman since we are talking about numbers and measurements, not language. 95% of the worlds population already uses metric. If there were no advantage in it they would not have done it.

      I somehow doubt you'll find many French people speaking primarily English in their normal lives.

      You've never been to France have you? Plenty of folks in France speak English quite fluently and since 89% of schoolchildren in the EU learn English as a second language it's not hard for them to find folks to practice on.

      There isn't any significant complication, that's what you're missing.

      I'm not missing a thing. There only isn't a complication if you never leave or communicate with no one outside the US. Travel abroad someday and see if anyone shares your naive opinions.

      There would be real complication if you try to cram the metric system down people's throats, as you try to force an entire nation of people to use units different from the ones they naturally think in.

      So explain to me how 5.7 billion people outside the US managed to utilize metric daily and the 300 million here find it too difficult? Nobody is forcing the US to change and no one could anyway. But that doesn't mean that switching to metric isn't a good idea. Heck it's already been tried once - albeit in .

      The advantages afforded by metric are extremely small, and the disadvantages in a conversion would be huge. Why, exactly, would any sane person want to convert?

      You have that exactly backwards. The initial conversion costs while significant are trivial compared to the long term savings.

  5. Current day photos? by Azghoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The photos from the following day are impressive, but I'd like to compare it to what it looks like today: How much has been able to regrow in relatively cold climate in 50 years?

  6. Re:"To be fair" ot "To be correct"? by srmalloy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A tsunami may be only a few feet higher than average sea level as it crosses oceans, but when the mass of water piles up as it reaches shore, the runup can go hundreds of feet above sea level. If you're standing on the slope at a height of 800 feet above sea level, and the tsunami starts, which is more 'real' about the height of the tsunami -- the hundred-foot height of the wave in the open water of the bay, or that the runup is going to scour the ground clean almost a thousand feet farther up the slope than where you're standing?

  7. The Mom Test by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd prefer that we used a hexadecimal system.

    And how do you propose we convince every non computer geek in the world that this is a good idea? Further are you going to pay for the math classes virtually everyone will need?

    Your idea fails the mom test miserably...

  8. Splash? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At what point do we call something a wave instead of a really friggin huge splash?

  9. Our language is base ten by AlpineR · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Grandma, I walked eleven miles to see you."

    The funny thing about non base-10 number systems is that our language can't say them without spelling them out. The old joke about "There are 10 kinds of people in the world..." isn't very funny if you say it aloud or in your head: "There are two kinds of people in the world" or "There are one zero kinds of people in the world".

    So I believe it's our language, not our fingers, that makes base ten feel natural. If we had grown up accustomed to counting "one two three ten eleven twelve thirteen twenty twenty-one twenty-two twenty-three thirty" then base four would feel natural. The characters "2506" would look as strange as hexadecimal and be as impossible to pronounce without spelling or conversion.

    By the way, isn't the term "base 10" devoid of meaning? If our system were base four, then "base 10" would mean "base four" since the characters "10" in base four mean "4" in base ten. Whatever base you use, "10" is your way of writing the value of that base.

    Back to the tsunami, it's disappointing to hear that the water was 290 fathoms high only very near it's source (the landslide). That's like saying "Your mama's so fat she jumped in the Pacific and made a tsunami a billion nanometers high."

    1. Re:Our language is base ten by Descalzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Roman Citizen: How much is '44' in real numbers?"
      Shopkeeper: XLIV.
      Roman Citizen: Why don't you just SAY XLIV? Who can remember 44?

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  10. bad reporting ? by Tom · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This whole thing sounds like hogwash to me. Not the facts, but the reporting. First, they take the splash damage size as the wave height, even though one sentence later it's acknowledged that wasn't the case. And two, this isn't a Tsunami at all. It's a huge wave, certainly, but it's not a Tsunami. Among other things, you don't notice Tsunamis as huge waves on a boat - that's where the whole name comes from ("big wave at the harbour") - because japanese fishermen came home from the sea, hadn't noticed anything unusual, and found the entire village devastated.

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  11. Re:If the wave was 1,720 ft tall, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The 1720 elevation was recorded directly across from the area where the rockslide occurred. It would seem to me that right in that vacinity the water went up MUCH higher than 100 feet, but that one neaby area took the brunt of it, and the wave that continued on out was much smaller.

    In English, we call that a splash, not a wave. Have you Americans simplified the language so much that there is no longer a distinction?