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AMD Loses $1.2 Billion and Its CEO

Barence writes to mention that after seeing almost $1.2 billion in second quarter losses, AMD's CEO has resigned. Stepping up to fill his shoes will be Dirk Meyer, previous company president and COO. "Only two years ago, the company held a processor performance lead and was making serious inroads into Intel's market. However, AMD failed to keep pace with Intel's Core technology, and it once again surrendered its performance crown at the dawn of the multicore era. Those problems were exacerbated by the bungled launch of the Barcelona processors, which prompted Ruiz to make a frank public apology last December."

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  1. i hope they keep up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The last thing i want is an intel/ms only world. Bad enough MIPS and PPC have gone the way of the dodo more or less. AMD is the last bastion of creativity in CPUs.

    1. Re:i hope they keep up by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't want to see AMD fail either, but remember: we'll always have ARM.

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    2. Re:i hope they keep up by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Thank heavens for the second amendment!

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    3. Re:i hope they keep up by dedazo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to worry. History (or the Slashdot version of it at least) will remember AMD being taken down by the evil Intel, and things like AMD having taken to lead in the desktop CPU market or the fact that buying ATI was a phenomenal mistake will be ignored.

      Companies don't die, they're just taken down viciously by companies we don't like.

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    4. Re:i hope they keep up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      But intel makes processors for Macs now. According to /. rhetoric, they thus cannot be evil.

    5. Re:i hope they keep up by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      They can pry my DS from my cold, dead hands!

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    6. Re:i hope they keep up by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Interesting

      desktop PPC is an evolutionary dead end, but it's still in consoles, embedded, and servers.

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    7. Re:i hope they keep up by Korin43 · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, you're behind the times. That was LAST year. This year, everything Apple does is evil and non-creative. Get with the times man!

    8. Re:i hope they keep up by alan.briolat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Speaking purely as a cynic, Intel were dragged into having to innovate by somebody (AMD) producing something better and also instruction-set compatible. That meant they had to invest some money in R&D rather than continuing to push their fairly abysmal P4 line because there was no choice. The emergence of AMD as a serious contender is what has done the industry good in this instance.

      I'm sure that without actual competition, we'd be in the usual position (again) of a company not bothering to innovate because their profit margins are fatter without doing so.

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    9. Re:i hope they keep up by Cocoshimmy · · Score: 5, Informative

      um...there is a 64bit version of windows, XP64, which Microsoft developed specifically for AMD's 64bit processors since at that time Intel was still pushing Itanium. This was available for public consumption not too long after AMD's processors were released and at that time only ran on AMD processors since they were the only producer of 64bit x86 processors. There is also a 64bit version of Vista available which runs on both Intel and AMD CPUs.

  2. Stocks fall by Drakin020 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It appears their stocks have dropped 12% on this news.

    http://finance.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NYSE:AMD

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    1. Re:Stocks fall by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Remember, there is no way to properly value this company, the proper valuation is NEGATIVE because that's what profits are.

      That's one of the dumber things I've heard today and it only holds true if you assume AMD is going to keep losing money until they have to sell off their desk chairs & keyboards in a bankruptcy auction.

      There is a lot more to valuing a company than "omg they lost GigaBucks this quarter!!1"

      The two basic numbers to work with are:
      A) whatever investors think it's worth
      B) what the company's assets and fundamentals represent

      A lot of times A is less than B.
      The attempted Microsoft buyout of Yahoo is a good recent example.
      Yahoo shares were/are trading in the low $20s even though MS offered in the low $30s

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  3. Fix it! by raijinsetsu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I fell in love with AMD many years ago. They had the price and performance edge, and were also more stable than Intel. I think they need to take a step back an evaluate what the hell they're doing. They need to find a way to pull out of the competition while they clean up their act so they can start giving their customers what they want: cutting edge technology. I've read many articles about proposed AMD technologies, but I haven't seen many come to light (glueless HT, is one that comes to mind). Clean up your act!

  4. Don't let the door hit you Hector by gr8_phk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Back at MOT (now freescale) I hear they called him Hector the Sector Director. People were happy to see him go. After his time at AMD, I'd call him "Hector Ruinz".

  5. Buying ATI = idiocy by Spy+Handler · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if instead of buying ATI, the dude spent the money on R&D and actually coming out with products that can compete with Intel CoreDuo, he might not be resigning...

    1. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem was that Intel wasn't spending money on products that could compete with CoreDuo. They got really, really, really lucky.

      The Core line of chips were originally developed as low-power laptop chips based around an older technology than Intel's "mainstream" chips of the day. Intel's roadmap up until very recently focused on further development of the Pentium 4 and Itanium lines (both of which ultimately proved to be unsustainable)

      One of Intel's development teams in Israel saw the huge potential that the old Pentium III architecture had to be fast and power-efficient, when coupled with a more modern manufacturing process. In the end, the low-end power-efficient chips began to outperform their power-hungry Pentium 4 desktop offerings, and Intel quietly rebranded the line, and began to offer the Core chips as their flagship desktop offering.

      Intel also made a great many mistakes with the development of Itanium, and their reliance on RAMBUS (which was proprietary, expensive, and actually slower in many cases than plain old DDR SDRAM). Their failure to embrace x86-64 could have also easily spelled disaster for the company. In terms of 64-bit development, AMD has always been the clear leader.

      Intel should be counting its blessings, as they've made far more missteps than AMD have. Fortunately for them, they have a massive marketing team and extensive manufacturing facilities, both of which AMD lack.

      Hopefully AMD can make something out of their R&D relating to GPGPUs, and stay viable as a competitor.

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    2. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Intel should be counting its blessings, as they've made far more missteps than AMD have. Fortunately for them, they have a massive marketing team and extensive manufacturing facilities, both of which AMD lack.

      But more importantly, lots and lots and lots of money. Intel had the financial wiggle-room to come back from some rather colossal errors over the last decade. AMD simply did not. It could stay competitive providing it had a focused plan, but the ATI deal was precisely what AMD could not afford.

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    3. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      One of Intel's development teams in Israel saw the huge potential that the old Pentium III architecture had to be fast and power-efficient, when coupled with a more modern manufacturing process. In the end, the low-end power-efficient chips began to outperform their power-hungry Pentium 4 desktop offerings, and Intel quietly rebranded the line, and began to offer the Core chips as their flagship desktop offering.

      I'd hesitate to call that luck, let alone "really, really, really lucky". It sounds like terrific teamwork by engineering, production and management.

    4. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by moosesocks · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'd hesitate to call that luck, let alone "really, really, really lucky". It sounds like terrific teamwork by engineering, production and management.

      I'd agree 100%. Intel's R&D group in Israel pulled off a small miracle with their work, and should be highly commended for it. However, from what is publicly known, it seems as if it were almost a sort of "skunk works" project, largely independent of the main R&D efforts of the company. I don't think that there was terribly much being expected from them, and the fact that they were able to deliver an extremely viable product was a fortunate coincidence.

      Intel's main R&D efforts were terribly misguided. It was common knowledge that RAMBUS Itanium, and the P4 line all had serious limitations, and yet Intel continued pushing forward with these products.

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    5. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by A+beautiful+mind · · Score: 4, Funny

      It sounds like terrific teamwork by engineering, production and management.

      Oh, you mean luck!

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    6. Re:Buying ATI = idiocy by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But the Israeli group *did* exist, they *were* given the autonomy to do that work, the management *did* recognize the merits of it and decide to change course, and the production people *did* make it happen! That's not luck! If you don't understand how remarkable all of that is, you've never worked for a huge company.

      What you people all seem to be arguing for, putting all your eggs in one basket and having it work out as you'd planned -- *that* is luck!

  6. Get 'em while they're cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Better grab those Intel processors while they're cheap, because once AMD goes under, you just know Intel will return to the good old days and jack prices up through the roof.

    Must be nice having no competition in the market.

  7. Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger by damonlab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I bought and recommended AMD products up until a few years ago. I did that then because they had the fastest / better CPUs on the market at that time. During the last few years I have went with Intel because they have the better products now. If AMD wants my future business, they need to come out with something that beats what Intel has.

    1. Re:Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger by John+Jamieson · · Score: 4, Informative

      Sure, but you are part of the 3% that buys leading edge products.(right?) As long as you are in the mainstream BOTH have strengths and weaknesses.

      As long as you are buying a low-mid priced system, AMD competes with intel. If you are a gamer, all that really counts is the Video Card anyway.

      And don't get me started on the Intel Chipsets... remember when they were king? Well, my Core2Duo Centrino laptop chipset has so many bugs... The video performance under Vista and Linux STINKS big time. (WinXP is decent, but not near AMD/ATI's level with the 780g chipset, that chipset rocks )

      AMD is a bit weaker on Laptops now, they have new silicon coming that will change that.

       

  8. Re:Don't invest in AMD... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's up to the shareholders to hold the company to the fire. I have no idea why every shareholder of every company out there isn't forcing the companies to put in performance clawbacks. Imagine if a CEO were faced with the possibility of having to return their bonuses, and maybe even a portion of their salaries, if the company did a nosedive like AMD has. But since shareholders are either too stupid or too frightened to start pushing their weight around, this CEO bonus crapola continues. Oh well, I'm not investing in AMD, so if they want to pay a fucking retard millions to screw their share value, then my hats off to them.

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  9. Re:What about the video cards? by pdusen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    AMD is fine. They are having a rough spot that is worse than the ones Intel goes through due to Intel being far more diversified. People in these comments touting the death of AMD are being melodramatic.

  10. If I lost $1.2 billion... by afabbro · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I'd try to think where I'd last seen it and look there.

    In this case, AMD should be looking at 2005.

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  11. old CEO was from Motorola by Dan667 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The way they mis-managed their semi-conductor division pretty much made that the kiss of death. Great technology and good folks there at both AMD and Motorola, but folks that use to be Motorola Management might as well run around in a bunch of robes chanting for their ability to screw things up.

  12. Timing is everything by buddhaunderthetree · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hmmm, perhaps just a coincidence but the EU has just expanded it's anti-trust investigation into Intel.

    http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080716-report-eu-to-expand-intel-antitrust-investigation.html

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  13. Re:Don't invest in AMD... by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

    I have no idea why every shareholder of every company out there isn't forcing the companies to put in performance clawbacks.

    Because it is the Boards of these companies that set pay policies, not shareholders. Further, it is all but impossible to get a measure on the proxy vote to force the Boards to change pay policy. The best one can hope for is to make a 'recommendation' to the Board to change pay policy.

    Unless is it is specifically stated somewhere in the corporate bylaws, the final decision as to executive compensation rests with the Board, not the shareholders.

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  14. That would be interesting.. by Junta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Though I doubt it would ever happen.

    IBM buys AMD, uses circumstances to:
    -Advance the fab capabilities of AMD generally (hopefully invest to actually keep up with Intel instead of lagging by a year or so)
    -Release a Cell processor variant, replacing the PPC core with an x86 core.

    It seems far fetched, but at the same time, the #1 supercomputer is already an AMD/Cell hybrid (two Cell processor packages for every AMD package). However, I wouldn't anticipate that core being any more performance than the PPC core, just a different instruction set. It *could* really cause some grief for intel if it caught on though. The ability to run Windows and games like normal (maybe with a penalty), but SPU enabled software could really make for some amazing media manipulation and incredible games.

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    1. Re:That would be interesting.. by mr_mischief · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If the fab tech is the biggest issue, TSMC or Chartered would be a natural match. They do contract chip fab for everything from DRAM to CPUs, including the XBox CPUs and some AMD CPUs (Chartered) and some of AMD's ATI GPUs and chipsets (TSMC).

      It'd make sense that if you're keeping your equipment busy making stuff for a customer, you'd want to keep that revenue. The best way to ensure that is to start making the same products for yourself.

  15. Re:The beginning of the end for AMD by Spatial · · Score: 5, Informative

    I guess when a mediocre CPU manufacturer merges with a mediocre GPU manufacturer this is what you get.

    At the moment AMD's GPUs are the best value you can get. The Radeon HD4850 and 4870 are exceptional cards while Nvidia seems to have botched their latest line - although they're faster, they're hideously expensive for only moderate performance gains above AMD's parts, and have very large power needs. And just for the record, every GPU I've bought has been an Nvidia one. I'm no AMD/ATI fanboy.

  16. Re:For me, it's all about the graphics. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I didn't even know Intel made graphics cards!

    Only integrated graphics, as far as I know.

    The Intel integrated graphics is Crap. This is well documented. Not only is the hardware somewhat anemic, Intel does not give the engineers time to workaround all the bugs, so the drivers never mature to the state they should be in.

    The hardware is low-end (and low power, which is good). The drivers ahve always proven rock-solid to me. And all the features work out of the box with no tweaking. There was a bug related to screens larger than 2048x2048 for 800 series chips. This is well documented in xorg, and is unlikely to be fixed. What awful bugs are there in the 900 series? I've never had a graphics related crash from any Intel GPUs.

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  17. Re:Don't invest in AMD... by afidel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's simple, the board of directors of most companies who are the ones setting things like CEO contracts are full of CxO's of other companies. It's felt that there is a major quid pro quo going on where the board of one company raises the pay for executives then the senior executives at company A talk to their friends who sit on the board of the companies B,C,D where the board members of company A are executives and increase the salary of the executives at B,C,D.

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  18. Re:Huh? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you haven't tried the new ati linux driver (yes, it's a binary blob, waaah) then you should. Ever since AMD took over, it's gotten a lot better.

    What's with the "waaaah" comment? These days, I steer clear of binary drivers. I spent many years on proprietary hardware with binary drivers. I have used binary blobs in Linux as well. I have consistently found that open drivers provide a better experience, with more stability, better implementation/larger quantity of features, and greater longevity of the hardware, since support stays around. Binary drivers (and closed software too, as it happens) have always come back to bite me sooner or later. Are you saying I should:

    1) Ignore my years of previous experience

    2) Support manufacturers who do not supply products I like

    because you think I'm needlessly complaining?

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  19. Re:AMD by Bj�rn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ATI was such a mistake

    If the future is an integration of CPU and GPU, ATI might have been a necessary, if expensive, purchase for AMD. Also note that what AMD got was not just the ATI graphic cards, but also the chipsets. The support chipsets were always AMD's week spot.

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  20. Re:The beginning of the end for AMD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just for the record AMD/ATI technically have the fastest single board Video card on the market smashing nvidia on pure raw power 2.4TFLOPS admittedly their is some creative thinking behind it but it is the king

    http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=14178&page=1

     

  21. It's all about the architecture by jdb2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    Back in 2003, when rumors were circulating about an AMD "K9" processor, everyone thought that a new, revolutionary, designed from the ground up processor architecture was in the works. Actually, it was. AMD was designing an *8-issue superscalar OoOE* 64-bit x86 processor. Basically the Alpha EV8 reincarnated in the form of an x86 chip. ( remember that AMD inherited a substantial portion of the Alpha design team after DEC was swalloed up by Compaq )

    Unfortunately, as usual, management could only see 6-months ahead and the chip was canceled in favour of a 64-bit processor that was cheaper and easier to design and consequently would increase short-term revenue.

    The processor that was hailed as a "revolutionary" x86 design, the Opteron, was, in fact, *directly* based off of the *K7* design. It was basically a K7 with a beefed up datapath, support for SSE2 and other miscellany, an on-board memory controller, and a high speed serial point-to-point interconnect as a replacement for the front side bus ( Hypertransport ) bolted on.

    Now, you would think that the new Barcelona architecture was a great innovation, but not so much. It, like the Opteron, is a heavily leveraged design based off of the previous processor generation, namely the K8.

    To get to the point, the fact is that AMD never truly created a new processor architecture -- they never truly innovated beyond bolting new crap onto old designs. In fact, the basic architecture of AMD's latest design, when you boil it down, is the same as the *K7*. Barcelona is just a ( very ) beefed up K7.

    When you keep designing architectures like this you eventually hit a wall and start to stagnate due to the law of diminishing returns. So, while AMD basically did nothing essentially new with their architecture over the years, it gave Intel ample time to design, *from the ground up*, 5 new processor architectures : The Pentium-M, Core, Core 2, Nehalem, and Atom.

    AMD's worst mistake was the cancellation of the Alpha EV8 inspired "K9" in 2003. Now they are paying for it.

    jdb2

  22. EU Antitrust Charges. Don't blame the Victim. by Erris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Thank heavens for representative government that works better than our own. The EU has been watching Intel for more than 8 years and already has outstanding charges that Intel thwarted AMD sales by selling at a loss. We've all seen how they crushed OLPC. Good for the EU for doing something, we can only hope it's not too little too late given worsening economic conditions.

    The story's "AMD sucks" slant is puzzling. Advantages come and go, but AMD has almost always been better for number crunching since 2000. They also have had significantly better interconnects and architecture for multi core processors. It's like blaming the victim.

    Another factor in this sad story is the Vista failure which has hurt all hardware sales. In the last year or so, we've seen spectacular bargains like $500 and less dual core laptops on clearance and the collapse of CompUSA and other big box stores. AMD will suffer more in this downturn because it comes as they were gaining share.

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