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A Look At ACTA Wish Lists For RIAA, BSA, Others

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property brings us an analysis of several organizations' goals for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which we've discussed previously. In particular, he points out the anti-privacy views of the Business Software Alliance: "While the ACTA itself is not public, the US Trade Representative has at least released the ACTA comments. While many of them are to be expected, such as the RIAA & co. wanting copyright filters, one item on the BSA's wish list really stands out: 'In a number of European countries one of the biggest impediments to efforts by rights holder to enforce their IP rights on the Internet is the overbroad interpretation of privacy laws by some European authorities.' They want ACTA to 'fix' that by neutering the privacy laws. Given the BSA's other questionable activities, it couldn't hurt to tell their member companies what you think of their participation. After all, organizations like the BSA exist in part to shield their members from bad PR." Full documents of comments from the various organizations are available at Public Knowledge.

69 comments

  1. They will never stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess we as citizens will have to start bribing our politicians too. Too bad the IP cartels can outbid us. :-(

    1. Re:They will never stop by hostyle · · Score: 1

      Its called voting. Check it out.

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    2. Re:They will never stop by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Voting doesn't do much good when the EU government isn't elected by the populace of it's member nations. Look how little it does here in the US, then imagine how much worse it could get if Congress (both houses) were appointed by the various State governments and not elected, and if the President were a rotating chair that round-robined between the Governors of various States.

    3. Re:They will never stop by witte · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In theory, you're right. In practice, you should note the difference between the promises made during the election campaign and the actual behavior once elected. If there is no electoral backlash, democracy breaks down.

    4. Re:They will never stop by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > Its called voting. Check it out.

      Yeah. Right. Let's see:

      - Vote for candidate A. See candidate A taking a bribe. Be too weak to start an uprising and rip him out of his golden throne. Get told by an idiot to vote better the next time.

      - Vote for candidate B. (May not avaliable in your country.) See candidate B taking a bribe. Be too weak to start an uprising and rip him out of his golden throne. Get told by an idiot to vote better the next time.

      - Vote for candidate C. (May not avaliable in your country.) See him not getting enough votes and screaming of what he will change when it is his turn. Watch him become candidate A in the next vote.

      Caution: Depending on the country, you can get shot for voting for someone other than candidate A.

      Do I have to say more? As long as you're not in a revolutionist (aka "terrorist" aka "pinko" aka whatever) group, planning to overturn this non-working system to replace it by something better (hint: NOT another revolutionist who becomes corrupt too), you are responsible for your leaders. Come on. There are what, 250 million of you? Against what? 250,000? For ONCE be a real american, have something to be proud of, and be a leader. :)

      P.S.: Cue the excuses for not acting, so you can accept your own self, in 3... 2... 1...

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    5. Re:They will never stop by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Background info:
      1. I am NOT an American, I know four other languages, so be mild on the typos.
      2. I DO work on a plan for a new government that does not ignore the the conflict between personal interests and interests of being a leader of people.
      3. I AM trying to mobilize people, so I am allowed to ask others to do it too.
      4. I do not plan to do anything evil like hurt people or similar stuff. Only losers do need that. Professionals use psychology.
      5. I'm just learning this style of psychology right now. So I'm not good at it *yet*. What are you doing? :)
      6. I see you as my friend in the first place, no matter who you are, and even if you do very stupid things.

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    6. Re:They will never stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then get rid of the politicians.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_governance

    7. Re:They will never stop by es330td · · Score: 1

      In reality they can't. If a third of the US population gave only $5 each to the cause the number start to get to the point that countering it would be noticable to stockholders. We peons lack organization, not funds. It really wouldn't be hard to make our voices heard. Have someone draft a paper stating "We think X about issue Y" and give the effort some memorable name. Then you have thousands of people send $5 each in support of named effort. You can be certain that when the politicians office starts getting all these they will notice because at the end of the day elections are decided by votes and when re-election comes up those numbers of people are going to speak pretty loudly.

    8. Re:They will never stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And have the media run the show instead?

      You are forgetting that people as a general group are stupid, reactionary and easily scared.

    9. Re:They will never stop by badpazzword · · Score: 1

      2. I DO work on a plan for a new government that does not ignore the the conflict between personal interests and interests of being a leader of people.
      4. I do not plan to do anything evil like hurt people or similar stuff. Only losers do need that. Professionals use psychology.
      6. I see you as my friend in the first place, no matter who you are, and even if you do very stupid things.

      Based on the above, I think you will find your answer in this book, 1984.

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    10. Re:They will never stop by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      What country do you live in where votes actually count?

      Sure you can get a person elected with votes, but its the $ and promises of power that gives them their marching orders once in office. ANd its got nothing to do with you and your vote. ( unless you happen to be a billionaire and are contributing to the campaign )

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    11. Re:They will never stop by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Well, that is by design you know, cant have the serfs getting actual political power.

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    12. Re:They will never stop by hostyle · · Score: 1

      My point (I guess I should have included those pesky sarcasm tags) was not that voting is the solution, but that voting is supposed to be the solution, and having the average citizen paying to get stuff done instead of voting is an utterly farsical.

      If voting is not working, then lobbying by the average citizen isnt going to work either. Perhaps its time for Plan B. Why even have politicians if voting for them achieves nothing that you actually want or need? Why pay their salaries? They take time out of our busy schedules with their canvassing and bought laws that they pass.

      Either vote in someone that counts or do away with the political circus altogether. But giving more money to them is definitely not the solution.

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    13. Re:They will never stop by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Most Americans today don't have the guts for PlanB.

      And without a lot of support from 'the people', the ones that are prepared and have the guts are doomed to fail.

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    14. Re:They will never stop by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Voting, on what?

      RIAA vs MPAA Election 08

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    15. Re:They will never stop by LordThundering · · Score: 1

      sorry, but the eu-parliament is directly elected. just that nobody elects them - but thats their own fault, not the systems. The executive-organs are actually appointed by the goverments, but the only have senate-like powers.

    16. Re:They will never stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh, and the eu parliament is the only branch that has actually listened on occasion (e.g. blocking software patents). But they are VERY weak in the EU.

    17. Re:They will never stop by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Look how little it does here in the US, then imagine how much worse it could get if Congress (both houses) were appointed by the various State governments and not elected

      That's how it was supposed to work here in the U.S. too, at least for the Senate, until the 17th Amendment. I think that Amendment was actually a mistake, because it undermines Federalism by making the state legislatures less important.

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    18. Re:They will never stop by mrogers · · Score: 3, Informative

      Look how little it does here in the US, then imagine how much worse it could get if Congress (both houses) were appointed by the various State governments and not elected, and if the President were a rotating chair that round-robined between the Governors of various States.

      The European Parliament is elected by the citizens, not the member states, and the President is largely a figurehead whose powers aren't comparable to those of the US President. There's a lot I don't like about the structure of the EU (such as the fact that only the Commission can propose new legislation), but your comparison with the US system is way off target.

    19. Re:They will never stop by hostyle · · Score: 1

      I'll vote for kodos!

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    20. Re:They will never stop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with you. Being US the most powerful country electoral votes just diminish the concept of democracy. Whether you vote or not the result will most likely be the same as representative votes are what that counts.

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  2. "Fixing" privacy by Wowsers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They want to "fix" privacy in the EU to fix the industry they are killing all by themselves, no problem, the EU = EUSSR. There is no democracy in the EU.

    Under bullsh*t of terror, privacy, freedom, and democracy has been rapidly hacked to pieces at the hands of the EU, it makes for a very unpleasant place to live. Hell, to can't even elect the rulers of the EUSSR, so they are free to pass whatever law they like, with impunity.

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    1. Re:"Fixing" privacy by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 1

      [We] can't even elect the rulers of the EUSSR, so they are free to pass whatever law they like, with impunity.

      The surest sign something is amiss is that they so desperately want the Lisbon Treaty that they wish to skip anything but national rubber-stamping of it.

    2. Re:"Fixing" privacy by ddrichardson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry but that is the most incoherent rant I've ever read.

      I don't know where in the EU you live but you seem to have a widely inflated belief in the amount of power it wields. Having lived in the UK all my adult life, other than the tabloid's insistance on reporting (almost entirely incorrectly) "loony EU rules" I cannot name anything that has directly affected my life, in the same way in which I can mention dozens of examples of my own government - fuel prices; taxation; VAT on fuel; no investment in public transport, despite the environment being used as a reason to increase road taxes and make explain why refuse collection is so poor; unelected quangos; politicians raining in obscene expenses with impunity; a legal system that doesn't punish and a police force that is impotant; strikes and trade unionism; all wrapped up in the impending recession despite the huge amounts of money pissed away on stupid schemes and huge amounts of beaurocrats in London.

      And if you want to talk about "out of touch" then no need to look as far as the EU, how about a centralised government in London, the most unrepresentative city of the UK where all your decesions are based upon what you see out your little window on a city so seperate to the UK it might as well be an island.

      In short, given the complete arse that our own government and most other European governments are making of things, to blame the EU is insane, especially when in real terms they have so little impact on most of us. I'd love it if you were to site examples of where the EU has passed laws "with impunity" or examples of "bullshit of terror" - except in the UK of course where the government has used it as an excuse to chip away at freedom (despite the fact that we all had perfectly normal lives during thirty years of republican mainland terrorism).

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    3. Re:"Fixing" privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'd better do some more reading then. Around 80% of new UK law, and trade regulations comes from over zealous interpretation of EU initiatives.

      A relatively small percentage comes out of the backside of the demented idiots in government.

    4. Re:"Fixing" privacy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sigh. Look, the EU is composed of many of the same politicians as national governments. Please, learn about "policy laundering": when a national government wants to do something unpopular, they get their EU friends to tell them to do it, then go "tsk, those bloody meddling eurocrats again". And the public seems to fall for it depressingly often.

    5. Re:"Fixing" privacy by Wowsers · · Score: 1
      The EU has no direct effect on your life living in the UK? How about laws like below that force higher food prices just to satisfy some Euro-nuts fetish of measuring things and declaring perfect food as inedible. Food shortage, what food shortage?!

      A wholesaler has been banned from selling a consignment of kiwi fruits because EU laws deemed them too small.

      Tim Down, a market trader for 25 years, said he was not permitted even to give away the 5,000 Chilean fruits, each of which is about the size of a small hen's egg and weighs about 60g.

      Mr Down said his family run firm would lose several hundred pounds in sales because of the ban.[/p]

      "It is bureaucratic nonsense, they are perfectly fit to eat," Mr Down said at his stall at the Wholesale Fruit Centre in Bristol.

      Inspectors from the Rural Payments Agency, an executive agency of the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra), made a random check on his stall, and found a number of his kiwis weighed 58g, four grams below the required minimum of 62g.

      Mr Down said that 4g in weight was the equivalent of about one millimeter in diameter.

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2199214/EU-rules-ban-sale-of-'too-small'-kiwis.html

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    6. Re:"Fixing" privacy by ddrichardson · · Score: 1

      I didn't say anything about food shortage. Do believe rules such as the one quoted are causing prices to rise any where near as much as the effect of hauliers being taxed into oblivion, not to mention £1.35 a litre for fuel?

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    7. Re:"Fixing" privacy by Weedlekin · · Score: 1

      The article in your own link also says:

      "He said: "They (the inspectors) went through a lot of my stock using their own little scales.

      "These regulations are enforced in the United Kingdom with a higher level of rigour than is applied in mainland Europe. There is not a level playing field.""

      So, as is usual with such things, the problem does not in fact lie with the EC rules, which the rest of Europe manages to interpret quite sensibly, but is actually due to the peculiarly British penchant for producing legions of bloody-minded jobsworths whose only reason for existing is to find as many ways as possible of making other peoples' lives miserable.

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  3. is all of them by theblondebrunette · · Score: 3, Informative

    crap, the list contains pretty much every company that I know of, including those that I work for.. Alright, Google is not there, but our beloved Apple is in, so what's up with that?
    From the wiki:
            * Adobe Systems
            * Apple Inc.
            * Autodesk
            * Avid Technology
            * Bentley Systems
            * Borland
            * CA, Inc.
            * Cadence Design Systems
            * Cisco Systems
            * CNC Software/Mastercam
            * Corel Corporation
            * Dell
            * EMC Corporation
            * Entrust
            * Hewlett-Packard
            * IBM
            * Intel Corporation
            * Intuit
            * McAfee
            * Microsoft
            * Monotype Imaging
            * Network Associates
            * Oracle Corporation
            * PTC
            * Quark
            * Quest Software
            * RSA Security
            * SAP
            * SolidWorks
            * Sybase
            * Symantec
            * Synopsys
            * The Mathworks
            * UGS PLM Solutions Inc.

    1. Re:is all of them by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "beloved Apple"? Apple has more taste than most of the rest of team evil; but they play at least as mean as anybody else on that list, and meaner than some. I don't expect that to get any better, now that the majority of their money comes from a) selling the only computers on which they allow their OS to run, b) selling phones heavily locked in various ways and cashing in on those who profit from the locks, and c) content sale and rental on DRMed platforms.

      The one on that list that surprises me is Intel. They make very little software, other than drivers and compilers, and their hardware isn't exactly easy to clone. There are already special restrictions in place for reverse engineering ICs, and the world isn't exactly bursting that the seams with sleazy back-alley 300mm wafer 45nm process fabs.

      Most of the rest of the list is the usual BS(A)ing suspects, or at least, like cisco, in the business of making hardware that is pretty clonable. Anybody have any ideas about Intel?

    2. Re:is all of them by badpazzword · · Score: 3, Informative

      The one on that list that surprises me is Intel. They make very little software

      http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/index.htm?iid=siteindex+prod_software

      They produce C++ and Fortran compilers, debuggers, performance analysers, "cluster tools".

      I'm not sure about their market share, but that's a non negligible amount of software IMHO.

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    3. Re:is all of them by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Who says their hardware isn't easy to rip off? I guess you forgot about this little trick. Back in the day I have also ran across both Intel and AMD chips that were overclocked to instability at the factory and had the BIOS altered so that the machines could be sold as having the faster and more expensive CPU. While I think the BSAA are as big a bunch of asshats as any of the other *.A.As with everything made in china nowadays it isn't hard to get a fake ANYTHING anymore. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV

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    4. Re:is all of them by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      I certainly don't deny that one, or the pervasiveness of fakes generally. However, that type of scam doesn't fall under any sort of IP regulation(unless the BIOSs on the scam boards are unlicenced derivative works of licenced BIOSs, which is quite possible). Those are legitimate, although low-end, Intel parts, not illegal clones.

      Intel is in the interesting position, unlike most everybody else on that list, of having a very high proportion of their product's value arising as a function of their manufacturing prowess, rather than design or brand. Even if somebody had, at no cost, a full set of schematics for an Intel CPU, they'd be hard pressed to find somebody who could manufacture it for less than Intel. None of the software outfits are even close, and I doubt that the other hardware guys on the list are that way to the same degree as Intel.

    5. Re:is all of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny, those guardians of truth and purity, SCO Group, appear to be absent from the list. -- AC

  4. It just keeps getting worse... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When's the next trip off this rock?

    1984 was not supposed to be an Instructable dammit. B-(

    The problems that I see though are:

    1) People won't get off their butts to protect their rights. I'm just as bad - frankly because I'm afraid of losing everything. And with FISA in place disappearing when you disagree with the government is becoming more of a possibility every day.

    2) Corrupt corporations and corrupt government are hand-in-hand. And due to the previous problem that likely won't change.

    3) People growing up now think that's the way it has to be because they don't know any better.

    I just wish someone had a good solution but I think if it existed someone would have used it already.

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    1. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      1) It's all in your head. Using fearmongering is very successful. Luckily you have a higher level of brain functions that can mostly override fear with logic. Use it (I know it's hard, but so is starting to learn a sport or some complex system. Think of it like a muscle that you have to train.). :)

      2) I'm sure as a good geek, you can come up with hundreds of different ways to "hack" corrupt corporations. :)

      3) This is also proof that those views can be changed. :)

      Well. Guess what. You have this solution. Turn on main brain. All your country belongs to you. Take off every 'American'. For great justice! :D

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    2. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      All your country belongs to you. Take off every 'American'. For great justice! :D

      Quite right. You know what you doing.

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    3. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by ddrichardson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People won't get off their butts to protect their rights.

      I disagree, it seems a question of priorities. When you face a massive recession, strikes, fuel shortages and increased food prices, all while the banks withdraw mortgages and businesses go to the wall, then isues such as IP rights and copyright extension seem insignificant.

      Not that I feel they are but under these circumstances, when the average man on the street doesn't understand the problem and doesn't even know there is a problem then these things get slipped in under the radar.

      Mind you, that said, those "Knock of Nigel" adverts are really starting to get on my tits.

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    4. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 1

      You have this solution. Turn on main brain. All your country belongs to you. Take off every 'American'. For great justice!

      You know that's just geeky enough to become a popular t-shirt... :-D

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    5. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by Wildclaw · · Score: 1

      And when you don't face those things you will have it too good to go looking for trouble. It is the perfect setup for authoritarians and they know it. Only thing they have to worry about is going too far, because you don't want to add the straw that breaks the camel's back.

    6. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by ddrichardson · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was a good idea. You also need to realise how much shit people are prepared to put up with, especially when its phased in gradually (like Al Gore's story about the frog in an "Inconvenient Truth" - if you raise the water temperature gradually the frog doesn't notice).

      Its been shown in the UK before too, the Winter of Discontent in '78. People still put up with it.

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    7. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When's the next trip off this rock?

      The next express to oblivion city is leaving right now on a street corner near you. Don't worry, there'll be another one along in five minutes or so.

    8. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by fyoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just wish someone had a good solution but I think if it existed someone would have used it already.

      What's really required is a long term commitment to education and training people to think critically, without which democracy doesn't work. That requires a political will stretching across multiple administrations, probably of different parties.

      But since it is those who pay the piper that call the tune, it is up to the corporations. And since a well educated, critically thinking populace could turn the tables on them, they may not see it as being in their interests to push for education.

      Consequently, I don't feel very optimistic about it in the short to medium term. In the long term, who knows. Everything is run by people, including corporations. If people collectively change for the better, then there's hope. While it might sound trite, in the short term the best thing you can do is to try and work towards being that ideal person of the future. It probably won't make a huge difference in the short term, and it can be frustrating to be an educated, compassionate, critical thinker looking around and realizing you are in a seemingly powerless minority, but it is what's required. A better future requires better people.

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    9. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by rastoboy29 · · Score: 1

      Cheer up, it's not that bad.

      When it is, the people will overreact, which is very unpleasant for everyone.

      The way to go is slow, but sure, change.  Keep spreading the memes, and make people aware of these things.  Over time, this will cause a sea change in public opinion.

      Corruption will always be with us, to don't get too hung up on revenge.  But we need to de-seed our governmental weedbag, too true.

  5. How can ACTA be secret? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just cannot understand what possible rationalization there could be for ACTA not being worked on in the open(yeah, yeah, obviously I know why working behind closed doors would be what they want; but I'm talking about justification here).

    Even by the bizarro world standards of something state doesn't like = terrorist threat and camera in same room as child = pedophile menace, I can't think of a good justification for doing a copyright "harmonization" treaty in private. WTF.

    1. Re:How can ACTA be secret? by BSAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Free communication (read: the internet) is a direct threat to scarceness of immaterial goods. Our economy is based on resources being scarce and that is being undermined by the internet. So, basically, they want us to be unable to communicate freely to get back to the times were flow is controlled top-down. However immaterial goods never can be contained in the long run. This fact has apparently not arrived at our treasured politicians (not even after 500 years). Corporations will always try to keep the status quo because they have a hard time to reinvent themselves.

    2. Re:How can ACTA be secret? by replicant108 · · Score: 1

      Beautifully put. Somebody please parent mod up!

    3. Re:How can ACTA be secret? by magus_melchior · · Score: 1

      Corporations will always try to keep the status quo because they have a hard time to reinvent themselves.

      This is because generations of financial minds are geared for short-term growth and profits, and of course the almighty doctrine of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."-- as if one would always see the same pattern of growth just by repeating what one's done for decades, aside from perhaps small-scale farming. Trying to reinvent the media and software industries is probably the best way to go about solving the problems of rampant infringement and misguided driftnets, but it bears enough risk to make even the most bullish investor a coward.

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  6. We have no recourse by LordKaT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "special interest" groups - like the RIAA, MPAA, and BSA - have far too much money, and in a capitalist society that leads to far too much power. We, the minority voice, cannot match the buying power these groups have, nor do we have enough political power to sway votes.

    And believe me, no matter what your little nerdgasm makes you believe, we are a minority voice. We're such a small voice that my senator actually laughed at me when I called him up to complain about his support of FISA, as he assured me that the majority demanded this legislation be passed.

    Quite frankly, there's nothing left for geeks to do but wait and watch as all of our freedoms are stripped away to protect the special interests.

    Oh sure, some geeks will post bullshit about having their own revolution, but they're too close-minded to own a gun, and too lazy and distracted to actually get anything done.

    Oh wait, those geeks are talking about a peaceful revolution, the kind we have every 4 years. The same "revolution" that is carefully controlled and manipulated by two (illegal) political parties. Yeah, great idea there. Or you could vote for the miraculous third party candidate who - thanks to his radically different views from the two parties in control of the house and sentate - will basically cause government to come to a standstill and get nothing done, assuring that another 200 years will pass before a third party candidate is ever elected again.

    Quite frankly, I'm just damn tired of these stories and of the comments. "Write your senator" doesn't work. "Call your congressman" doesn't work. We're tried to get organized and fight these abominations of our rights as human beings, and we continue to fail. In fact, we've yet to even eat away at aging laws like the DMCA and Patriot act, yet we yammer on and on about how we can stop laws like ACTA.

    Face it, fellow geeks, we have no chance. so, I beg you, slashdot, stop posting these stories, because they mean almost nothing now. Unless someone comes up with a way to organize a para-military force through an anonymous service to physically stop these kinds of atrocities, I see no point in discussing this stuff.

    1. Re:We have no recourse by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      We, the minority voice, cannot match the buying power these groups have, nor do we have enough political power to sway votes.

      We are the Majority, we just don't have the money to fight these assholes.

      I still think hitmen are the way to go it's certainly allot cheaper.

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    2. Re:We have no recourse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arguably the stupidest Slashdot post ever.

      "Oh sure, some geeks will post bullshit about having their own revolution, but they're too close-minded to own a gun, and too lazy and distracted to actually get anything done."

      Or maybe they're just intelligent enough to realise any gun they might own is worthless against the people you're suggesting worth pulling some physical rebellion against.

    3. Re:We have no recourse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't be in the minority if you outnumber them 1000000:1, regardless of how much money they have

    4. Re:We have no recourse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the fuck would I want to own a gun? I'm from Europe you egocentric American prick!

  7. Can we fight the trend? by MaulerOfEmotards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both Orwell and Marx would be surprised how right they were. A world governed by the watchful corporate eye, the same corporations that also control the voice and contents of information. Still, the EU, or at least Northern Europe with Scandinavia at the top (literary and figuratively) are more democratic, less corrupt and directly controlled by commercial interests than America, but we too are getting there. Sweden is a prime example of this. The current liberal (in the European sense, that is right-wing market liberals) have excelled in demolishing unions (which increases the relative power of producers), privatise public sectors, have deep tie-ins with commercial interests (f.i. Carl Bildt, the former Prime Minister and current Foreign Minister, couldn't understand the conflict of interest in possessing a huge portfolio of Russian oil and natural gas stocks AND residing over the political negotiation on Russian pipelines); and of course, pushing through the FRA legislation.

    For us, though, there might be a few things to do.

    Switch over more and more to copylefted and FOSS operating systems and software. No copyright or financial interests, no interest for BSA or (maf)*IAA. Of course, the same interests groups have identified this as a potential thread and tried legal and FUD campaigns against it (associating FOSS with communism, and trying to declare FOSS illegal, etc.).

    Boycott the increasingly meaningless blockbuster production of Hollywood and the musical cultural industry. I have stopped watching TV and buying music since there simply isn't anything worth the money. Frankly, it is not even worth downloading.

    Freenets, darknets and stronger encryption. However, this will mean a rat race where the outcomes may be a larger and growing portion of increasingly controlled population; an increasingly isolated cliché of technologically savvy individuals retaining integrity but being exposed by their very anonymity suspicious black holes in an ocean of whistles; or the death of the openness and accessibility that has made the Web the revolution it was.

    It is a horrible situation, and the only hope we have is that younger politicians will have a more vested interest in net neutrality etc. than the current cadre that is old and often criminally ignorant about the consequences of their actions in an informational world. Fat chance.

    For Swedes, voting for the Pirate Party for them to gain seats in the EU parliament is one concrete thing we can do now, and let's work to increase awareness of the problem so more pirate parties will emerge.

    This is turning more and more into a world I do not want part of.

    1. Re:Can we fight the trend? by Elbart · · Score: 0
    2. Re:Can we fight the trend? by BlueParrot · · Score: 1

      The current liberal (in the European sense, that is right-wing market liberals) have excelled in demolishing unions (which increases the relative power of producers), privatise public sectors, have deep tie-ins with commercial interests (f.i. Carl Bildt, the former Prime Minister and current Foreign Minister, couldn't understand the conflict of interest in possessing a huge portfolio of Russian oil and natural gas stocks AND residing over the political negotiation on Russian pipelines); and of course, pushing through the FRA legislation.

      Oh come on, the left wing has governed Sweden for 75% of the last century and you are blaming the current administration that has been in power for 2 years ? Are you seriously naive enough to believe this has anything to do with our economic system, and that things would be better if we used some more socialist policy? Reinfeldt, Person , Bildt, Sahlin , Shyman, Karlson it will make fuck all difference because left and right, liberal and conservative, they are all politicians and politicians like to have power. Getting rid of corporations or changing the economic system is not the answer, forcing government transparency is. The problem is of course that the only ones who can make the government more transparent is the people who run the government, and they don't want to. Yea, you could vote for the pirate party and hope that the rest of the population get a clue and do the same, but unfortunately people are more obsessed about weather they get 80% or just 75% in unemployment benefit, or if they get to pay 30% tax or 35%. Democracy tends to be a secondary concern of the electorate, and THAT is the real problem.

    3. Re:Can we fight the trend? by rootooftheworld · · Score: 1

      Man, I like cyberpunk, but this is getting too far.

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      I know full well that tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack
    4. Re:Can we fight the trend? by ArneBab · · Score: 1

      There was a trend to having only proprietary software (by former free software being enslaved in the job contracts its creators took) and to having the hacker community die out.

      That trend was reversed by GNU with the invention of the GPL and the GNU System.

      And today millions of people use free software and we have organizations like the EFF and FSF who work for a free software society.

      - That huge success story in about 4 minutes: http://infinite-hands.draketo.de/

      More people than ever before use free software, and it becomes an integral part of out society as more and more government offices (e.g. in germany: Munich) and companies adopt it.

      Today we have a trend to having only nonfree culture (by the laws being turned upside down and politicians being bought) and members of the free speech community to give up.

      What I learn from history is:

      That trend can be reversed, too, and our society might become a free culture society, just like it slowly becomes a free software society, even though most people will only realize it in hindsight.

      "Do you still remember the times, when every office had Windows in it?"

      "Only barely, but do you still remember the times, when we feared lawsuits when we accessed the predecessors of the culture pool?"

      "Those were the times. Now, let's get writing again. Don't want to let our fans wait for the next storyarch, do we?"

      The ones who profit from unfree media will give a fight this time, though.

      And that they choose to go semi-criminal shows, that different from the proprietary software vendors back when GNU was invented, the unfree media companies are already losing, and they know it.

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      Being unpolitical
      means being political
      without realizing it.
  8. Who the hell are you ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sorry geek or (some) f*ckn corporate drone ? What you are calling now is to stop ANY activity to stop this madness. If everybody would act like you we would have software patents in Europe legalized.

    BTW, abolishing communism in former communist states (Poland, Czech, Hungary, Romania etc. etc.) was also led by THIN MINORITY (and bankrupting government). Majority chose to stay at homes.

    Never stop resisting to corrupt drones or they will grab all your rights piece by piece. And don't believe some idiot senator telling you that your view is irrelevant - he's propably lying and laughing all the way to bank. If your current tactics don't work, figure out a better one.

  9. "It can't hurt" ??? by jc42 · · Score: 1

    Given the BSA's other questionable activities, it couldn't hurt to tell their member companies what you think of their participation.

    Huh? It certainly could hurt. If you tell the member companies what you think of the BSA's actions, the only likely result is that you'll be added to their list of suspects. You can then expect a letter from their lawyer if someone with a name or IP address similar to yours ever uses a P2P program (perhaps to download the latest linux ISOs ;-).

    You should be telling the appropriate legislators in your country and state what you think of it all. That's much more likely to have results that favor us "consumers". Remind them that the BSA have a bit of a history of suing grannies and children, often people who don't even use the Internet. The story of Prof Peter Usher's run-in with the RIAA is a good one to mention, to illustrate the extremes that the recording industry is going to catch "infringers".

    I wonder if someone has a good collection of such stories online. It'd be a useful reference to send to legislators when "IP" bills are coming up for a vote.

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    Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
  10. They're funded by the members. by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    If the member companies start to get hit with flack and angry customers for their participation, they may reevaluate it (i.e. stop funding the bastards).

    Without industry support, the BSA would dry up for lack of money.

    I don't think that congress can do much except not listen to them. And it's hard for them to avoid listening to anyone who has money.

    So I really think that bad PR for the member companies is the only way to reduce the member list.

  11. Re:Then there is purchasing power. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Money given to them is less
    > self defeating than money given to M$

    um, what?

  12. Avalanche of acronyms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we need to add EUSSR to the list?

    FYI, BTW, AFAICT we have RIAA, USA, BSA, IP, PR, ACTA just from TFS. In TFA itself, we have more: USTR, EFF, ISP, DRM, DMCA, TRIPS, WCT, EDUCAUSE, CEA, ESA, MPAA.

    The acromyms has gone FUBAR and if you can't understand them, you are SOL. YMMV.

  13. This has already been "fast tracked" by the g8 by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    Without releasing any information what soever, the g8 has fat tracked this abomination.

    Oh surprise surprise, I give up. I simply refuse to respect US law anymore. I'll speed whenever the hell I want, steal whatever the hell I want, and if asked, i'll tell them where the fuck to stick it.

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  14. The Solution... by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    The solution is to bypass the media cartels and create a direct link between media creators and their audience, wherever they may be... Here's my solution - linking all the world's (possibly, but not neccesarily Creative Commons) Content via an RSS-feed like system navigable from any pc, laptop, mobile or TV set top box with a net connection.

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    If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.