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A Look At ACTA Wish Lists For RIAA, BSA, Others

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property brings us an analysis of several organizations' goals for the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which we've discussed previously. In particular, he points out the anti-privacy views of the Business Software Alliance: "While the ACTA itself is not public, the US Trade Representative has at least released the ACTA comments. While many of them are to be expected, such as the RIAA & co. wanting copyright filters, one item on the BSA's wish list really stands out: 'In a number of European countries one of the biggest impediments to efforts by rights holder to enforce their IP rights on the Internet is the overbroad interpretation of privacy laws by some European authorities.' They want ACTA to 'fix' that by neutering the privacy laws. Given the BSA's other questionable activities, it couldn't hurt to tell their member companies what you think of their participation. After all, organizations like the BSA exist in part to shield their members from bad PR." Full documents of comments from the various organizations are available at Public Knowledge.

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  1. "Fixing" privacy by Wowsers · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They want to "fix" privacy in the EU to fix the industry they are killing all by themselves, no problem, the EU = EUSSR. There is no democracy in the EU.

    Under bullsh*t of terror, privacy, freedom, and democracy has been rapidly hacked to pieces at the hands of the EU, it makes for a very unpleasant place to live. Hell, to can't even elect the rulers of the EUSSR, so they are free to pass whatever law they like, with impunity.

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    1. Re:"Fixing" privacy by ddrichardson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry but that is the most incoherent rant I've ever read.

      I don't know where in the EU you live but you seem to have a widely inflated belief in the amount of power it wields. Having lived in the UK all my adult life, other than the tabloid's insistance on reporting (almost entirely incorrectly) "loony EU rules" I cannot name anything that has directly affected my life, in the same way in which I can mention dozens of examples of my own government - fuel prices; taxation; VAT on fuel; no investment in public transport, despite the environment being used as a reason to increase road taxes and make explain why refuse collection is so poor; unelected quangos; politicians raining in obscene expenses with impunity; a legal system that doesn't punish and a police force that is impotant; strikes and trade unionism; all wrapped up in the impending recession despite the huge amounts of money pissed away on stupid schemes and huge amounts of beaurocrats in London.

      And if you want to talk about "out of touch" then no need to look as far as the EU, how about a centralised government in London, the most unrepresentative city of the UK where all your decesions are based upon what you see out your little window on a city so seperate to the UK it might as well be an island.

      In short, given the complete arse that our own government and most other European governments are making of things, to blame the EU is insane, especially when in real terms they have so little impact on most of us. I'd love it if you were to site examples of where the EU has passed laws "with impunity" or examples of "bullshit of terror" - except in the UK of course where the government has used it as an excuse to chip away at freedom (despite the fact that we all had perfectly normal lives during thirty years of republican mainland terrorism).

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  2. Re:They will never stop by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Voting doesn't do much good when the EU government isn't elected by the populace of it's member nations. Look how little it does here in the US, then imagine how much worse it could get if Congress (both houses) were appointed by the various State governments and not elected, and if the President were a rotating chair that round-robined between the Governors of various States.

  3. is all of them by theblondebrunette · · Score: 3, Informative

    crap, the list contains pretty much every company that I know of, including those that I work for.. Alright, Google is not there, but our beloved Apple is in, so what's up with that?
    From the wiki:
            * Adobe Systems
            * Apple Inc.
            * Autodesk
            * Avid Technology
            * Bentley Systems
            * Borland
            * CA, Inc.
            * Cadence Design Systems
            * Cisco Systems
            * CNC Software/Mastercam
            * Corel Corporation
            * Dell
            * EMC Corporation
            * Entrust
            * Hewlett-Packard
            * IBM
            * Intel Corporation
            * Intuit
            * McAfee
            * Microsoft
            * Monotype Imaging
            * Network Associates
            * Oracle Corporation
            * PTC
            * Quark
            * Quest Software
            * RSA Security
            * SAP
            * SolidWorks
            * Sybase
            * Symantec
            * Synopsys
            * The Mathworks
            * UGS PLM Solutions Inc.

    1. Re:is all of them by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "beloved Apple"? Apple has more taste than most of the rest of team evil; but they play at least as mean as anybody else on that list, and meaner than some. I don't expect that to get any better, now that the majority of their money comes from a) selling the only computers on which they allow their OS to run, b) selling phones heavily locked in various ways and cashing in on those who profit from the locks, and c) content sale and rental on DRMed platforms.

      The one on that list that surprises me is Intel. They make very little software, other than drivers and compilers, and their hardware isn't exactly easy to clone. There are already special restrictions in place for reverse engineering ICs, and the world isn't exactly bursting that the seams with sleazy back-alley 300mm wafer 45nm process fabs.

      Most of the rest of the list is the usual BS(A)ing suspects, or at least, like cisco, in the business of making hardware that is pretty clonable. Anybody have any ideas about Intel?

    2. Re:is all of them by badpazzword · · Score: 3, Informative

      The one on that list that surprises me is Intel. They make very little software

      http://www.intel.com/cd/software/products/asmo-na/eng/index.htm?iid=siteindex+prod_software

      They produce C++ and Fortran compilers, debuggers, performance analysers, "cluster tools".

      I'm not sure about their market share, but that's a non negligible amount of software IMHO.

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  4. Re:They will never stop by witte · · Score: 2, Insightful

    In theory, you're right. In practice, you should note the difference between the promises made during the election campaign and the actual behavior once elected. If there is no electoral backlash, democracy breaks down.

  5. Re:They will never stop by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > Its called voting. Check it out.

    Yeah. Right. Let's see:

    - Vote for candidate A. See candidate A taking a bribe. Be too weak to start an uprising and rip him out of his golden throne. Get told by an idiot to vote better the next time.

    - Vote for candidate B. (May not avaliable in your country.) See candidate B taking a bribe. Be too weak to start an uprising and rip him out of his golden throne. Get told by an idiot to vote better the next time.

    - Vote for candidate C. (May not avaliable in your country.) See him not getting enough votes and screaming of what he will change when it is his turn. Watch him become candidate A in the next vote.

    Caution: Depending on the country, you can get shot for voting for someone other than candidate A.

    Do I have to say more? As long as you're not in a revolutionist (aka "terrorist" aka "pinko" aka whatever) group, planning to overturn this non-working system to replace it by something better (hint: NOT another revolutionist who becomes corrupt too), you are responsible for your leaders. Come on. There are what, 250 million of you? Against what? 250,000? For ONCE be a real american, have something to be proud of, and be a leader. :)

    P.S.: Cue the excuses for not acting, so you can accept your own self, in 3... 2... 1...

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  6. It just keeps getting worse... by Cheerio+Boy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When's the next trip off this rock?

    1984 was not supposed to be an Instructable dammit. B-(

    The problems that I see though are:

    1) People won't get off their butts to protect their rights. I'm just as bad - frankly because I'm afraid of losing everything. And with FISA in place disappearing when you disagree with the government is becoming more of a possibility every day.

    2) Corrupt corporations and corrupt government are hand-in-hand. And due to the previous problem that likely won't change.

    3) People growing up now think that's the way it has to be because they don't know any better.

    I just wish someone had a good solution but I think if it existed someone would have used it already.

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    1. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by ddrichardson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People won't get off their butts to protect their rights.

      I disagree, it seems a question of priorities. When you face a massive recession, strikes, fuel shortages and increased food prices, all while the banks withdraw mortgages and businesses go to the wall, then isues such as IP rights and copyright extension seem insignificant.

      Not that I feel they are but under these circumstances, when the average man on the street doesn't understand the problem and doesn't even know there is a problem then these things get slipped in under the radar.

      Mind you, that said, those "Knock of Nigel" adverts are really starting to get on my tits.

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    2. Re:It just keeps getting worse... by fyoder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I just wish someone had a good solution but I think if it existed someone would have used it already.

      What's really required is a long term commitment to education and training people to think critically, without which democracy doesn't work. That requires a political will stretching across multiple administrations, probably of different parties.

      But since it is those who pay the piper that call the tune, it is up to the corporations. And since a well educated, critically thinking populace could turn the tables on them, they may not see it as being in their interests to push for education.

      Consequently, I don't feel very optimistic about it in the short to medium term. In the long term, who knows. Everything is run by people, including corporations. If people collectively change for the better, then there's hope. While it might sound trite, in the short term the best thing you can do is to try and work towards being that ideal person of the future. It probably won't make a huge difference in the short term, and it can be frustrating to be an educated, compassionate, critical thinker looking around and realizing you are in a seemingly powerless minority, but it is what's required. A better future requires better people.

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  7. Re:They will never stop by Hurricane78 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Background info:
    1. I am NOT an American, I know four other languages, so be mild on the typos.
    2. I DO work on a plan for a new government that does not ignore the the conflict between personal interests and interests of being a leader of people.
    3. I AM trying to mobilize people, so I am allowed to ask others to do it too.
    4. I do not plan to do anything evil like hurt people or similar stuff. Only losers do need that. Professionals use psychology.
    5. I'm just learning this style of psychology right now. So I'm not good at it *yet*. What are you doing? :)
    6. I see you as my friend in the first place, no matter who you are, and even if you do very stupid things.

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  8. How can ACTA be secret? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I just cannot understand what possible rationalization there could be for ACTA not being worked on in the open(yeah, yeah, obviously I know why working behind closed doors would be what they want; but I'm talking about justification here).

    Even by the bizarro world standards of something state doesn't like = terrorist threat and camera in same room as child = pedophile menace, I can't think of a good justification for doing a copyright "harmonization" treaty in private. WTF.

    1. Re:How can ACTA be secret? by BSAtHome · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Free communication (read: the internet) is a direct threat to scarceness of immaterial goods. Our economy is based on resources being scarce and that is being undermined by the internet. So, basically, they want us to be unable to communicate freely to get back to the times were flow is controlled top-down. However immaterial goods never can be contained in the long run. This fact has apparently not arrived at our treasured politicians (not even after 500 years). Corporations will always try to keep the status quo because they have a hard time to reinvent themselves.

  9. We have no recourse by LordKaT · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The "special interest" groups - like the RIAA, MPAA, and BSA - have far too much money, and in a capitalist society that leads to far too much power. We, the minority voice, cannot match the buying power these groups have, nor do we have enough political power to sway votes.

    And believe me, no matter what your little nerdgasm makes you believe, we are a minority voice. We're such a small voice that my senator actually laughed at me when I called him up to complain about his support of FISA, as he assured me that the majority demanded this legislation be passed.

    Quite frankly, there's nothing left for geeks to do but wait and watch as all of our freedoms are stripped away to protect the special interests.

    Oh sure, some geeks will post bullshit about having their own revolution, but they're too close-minded to own a gun, and too lazy and distracted to actually get anything done.

    Oh wait, those geeks are talking about a peaceful revolution, the kind we have every 4 years. The same "revolution" that is carefully controlled and manipulated by two (illegal) political parties. Yeah, great idea there. Or you could vote for the miraculous third party candidate who - thanks to his radically different views from the two parties in control of the house and sentate - will basically cause government to come to a standstill and get nothing done, assuring that another 200 years will pass before a third party candidate is ever elected again.

    Quite frankly, I'm just damn tired of these stories and of the comments. "Write your senator" doesn't work. "Call your congressman" doesn't work. We're tried to get organized and fight these abominations of our rights as human beings, and we continue to fail. In fact, we've yet to even eat away at aging laws like the DMCA and Patriot act, yet we yammer on and on about how we can stop laws like ACTA.

    Face it, fellow geeks, we have no chance. so, I beg you, slashdot, stop posting these stories, because they mean almost nothing now. Unless someone comes up with a way to organize a para-military force through an anonymous service to physically stop these kinds of atrocities, I see no point in discussing this stuff.

  10. Can we fight the trend? by MaulerOfEmotards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Both Orwell and Marx would be surprised how right they were. A world governed by the watchful corporate eye, the same corporations that also control the voice and contents of information. Still, the EU, or at least Northern Europe with Scandinavia at the top (literary and figuratively) are more democratic, less corrupt and directly controlled by commercial interests than America, but we too are getting there. Sweden is a prime example of this. The current liberal (in the European sense, that is right-wing market liberals) have excelled in demolishing unions (which increases the relative power of producers), privatise public sectors, have deep tie-ins with commercial interests (f.i. Carl Bildt, the former Prime Minister and current Foreign Minister, couldn't understand the conflict of interest in possessing a huge portfolio of Russian oil and natural gas stocks AND residing over the political negotiation on Russian pipelines); and of course, pushing through the FRA legislation.

    For us, though, there might be a few things to do.

    Switch over more and more to copylefted and FOSS operating systems and software. No copyright or financial interests, no interest for BSA or (maf)*IAA. Of course, the same interests groups have identified this as a potential thread and tried legal and FUD campaigns against it (associating FOSS with communism, and trying to declare FOSS illegal, etc.).

    Boycott the increasingly meaningless blockbuster production of Hollywood and the musical cultural industry. I have stopped watching TV and buying music since there simply isn't anything worth the money. Frankly, it is not even worth downloading.

    Freenets, darknets and stronger encryption. However, this will mean a rat race where the outcomes may be a larger and growing portion of increasingly controlled population; an increasingly isolated cliché of technologically savvy individuals retaining integrity but being exposed by their very anonymity suspicious black holes in an ocean of whistles; or the death of the openness and accessibility that has made the Web the revolution it was.

    It is a horrible situation, and the only hope we have is that younger politicians will have a more vested interest in net neutrality etc. than the current cadre that is old and often criminally ignorant about the consequences of their actions in an informational world. Fat chance.

    For Swedes, voting for the Pirate Party for them to gain seats in the EU parliament is one concrete thing we can do now, and let's work to increase awareness of the problem so more pirate parties will emerge.

    This is turning more and more into a world I do not want part of.

  11. Re:They will never stop by mrogers · · Score: 3, Informative

    Look how little it does here in the US, then imagine how much worse it could get if Congress (both houses) were appointed by the various State governments and not elected, and if the President were a rotating chair that round-robined between the Governors of various States.

    The European Parliament is elected by the citizens, not the member states, and the President is largely a figurehead whose powers aren't comparable to those of the US President. There's a lot I don't like about the structure of the EU (such as the fact that only the Commission can propose new legislation), but your comparison with the US system is way off target.