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How Do You Deal With Sensitive Data?

imus writes "Just wondering how most IT shops secure sensitive data (customer records). Most centrally managed databases seem to be monitored and maintained very well and IT workers know when they are tampered with or when unauthorized access occurs. But what about employees who do legitimate selects from these databases and then load CSV files and other text files onto their laptops and PDAs? How are companies dealing with situations where the database is relatively secure, but end-use devices contain bits and pieces of sensitive business data, and sometimes whole segments? Does anyone use sensitive data discovery software such as Find_SSNs or Senf or other tools? Once found, how do you deal with it? Do you force encryption, delete it or prevent extracts?"

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  1. Sensitive Data by cheebie · · Score: 5, Funny

    I try not to talk loudly around it, and make sure it's emotional needs are met.

  2. Easy by pak9rabid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pay your employees enough to make protecting your company's data on their computers/PDAs worthwhile.

    1. Re:Easy by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Try having well written, very clear policies that that kind of action is forbiden. Of course, a piece of paper means crap to most employees, but the first time you fire someone for violating that policy, the grapevine and water cooler will provide more training than a dozen hour long meetings could convey..

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    2. Re:Easy by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Try having well written, very clear policies that that kind of action is forbiden.

      It's all well and good having policies like that, but if your employees either don't know about them or can plausibly claim they don't know, they won't do any good. Every employee who has, or even might have access to sensitive data should be required to sign a copy of that policy and it should be part of their records. That way, if anything happens, they won't be able to pretend they didn't know they were violating company policy. Depending on local laws, this might help you avoid (or defend) a suit for wrongful termination.

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    3. Re:Easy by syousef · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but the first time you fire someone for violating that policy

      Another one that thinks the solution is to fire employees, and gets modded insightful. You know what I get the impression that most slashdotters would make piss poor bosses. Firing employees randomly when they violate a policy to set an example isn't exactly smart.

      Do you know what it costs to hire an employee, and get them up to speed doing their job well? Never mind the fact that the next person you hire to fill the roll might be a dud, or that the job market may mean the position goes unfilled for quite some time. Do you know what it does to morale? That gossip around the water cooler gets people updating resumes and looking for work elsewhere before they're fired for some other petty reason to set an example. Then there's the legal aspect - if you're wanting to avoid unfair dismissal claims providing clear guidelines is just one step - you have to show that the on the spot firing was justified. Then there's the human aspect - unless you're a soul-less piece of shit that cares not a jot about destroying a family's livelihood you may want to look for actions that don't leave people jobless.

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  3. Policies by larien · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Partly, you need policies to discourage end users copying data anywhere it's not needed. And I really, really mean discourage, up to and including possible sacking.

    At a technical level, every laptop/portable data storage device should have its hard drive encrypted. Disable USB ports if you can get away with it, or at least put software on which forces encryption of files sent to USB keys. That will cover most of your issues.

    Users will legitimately require access to sensitive data as part of their job; the IT department should have the power to ensure they don't do it in a way that exposes the company to the embarassment of losing a laptop with SSNs in the subway...

    1. Re:Policies by aztracker1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Personally, I can't see *ANY* instance where a full set of SSNs for more than a handful of people should *EVER* be needed on a laptop... I mean, if you are entering data, sure... but WTF should anyone be carrying around some of the information that gets leaked.

      I think *IF* such information is needed for lookups, then a 1-way hash is a necessity. If you aren't responsible for dispatching to customer locations on a weekend, then you shouldn't need street addresses. I can see needing some information for customers, but SSNs, or CC data should *NEVER* be on anything outside of the office, or a backup storage facility.

      It's that simple. No SSNs leave the office... No CC information leaves the office... no street addresses leave the office, unless absolutely necessary.

      I've seen smaller companies that have the entire database in the "on call" laptop, that gets copied from the server friday, and to the server monday.. I shudder every time I think about it...

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    2. Re:Policies by cool_arrow · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a good idea to limit who gets your ssn. I'm having surgery done on my knee in a couple of days which has entailed seeing 4 docs at 4 diff offices (MRI etc). They all want your SSN when filling out their paperwork - I simply didn't put mine down on any of them. Two of them brought it to my attention and my response was "I don't give it out". Didn't have a problem. I could see if I wanted credit or was borrowing money from a bank. Otherwise don't be too eager to give it out.

  4. Our hospital records are strongly protected by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    we use a robots.txt file and a strongly worded "keep out - private data" header on all important records

  5. Unless of course, you're.. by Channard · · Score: 5, Informative

    .. The UK Government. 600 lost laptops over the last ten years! Including two from the MOD with very sensitive data on them. And that's just electronic data. Despite the public being told how important shredding documents is, some commercial enterprises seem to be just chucking sensitive data out in the bin, unshredded.

  6. Once found, here's what you do by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Once found, how do you deal with it? Do you force encryption, delete it or prevent extracts?

    First off you need to have a policy on who is allowed to extract it, and how they should handle the data (be it encryption, keeping the data on-site, etc).

    But here's the trick: If you find data kept in violation of the policy, you send EVERYONE to training. I'm talking mandatory training where they lose computer access (and thus, don't get paid) until they do the training. All new hires have to do it, too. Make it really boring, and administered after normal work hours.

    After the first time everyone is sent to training for some poor schmuck being careless, I guarantee nobody will ever violate policy again.

    1. Re:Once found, here's what you do by bugnuts · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Causing several unproductive hours for the majority of the work staff doesn't sound like a good idea to me.

      Actually, I was being mostly facetious....

      Except that it is how several companies do it, due to government contracts, insurance, and (gasp) congressional decree.

      I honestly had to take several training courses (yearly) because someone screwed up. And when that happens, the peer pressure is really increased to not screw up.

      One time, a person randomly tripped in the hallway, and the potential workman's comp issue was terrifying. I joked that we would have to go to training to learn how to walk. And guess what... "paying attention while walking" was added to an existing mandatory training course!

      Ah, government work.

  7. 12345 by lazycam · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The strength of your encryption means nothing in the face of a user who insists on using their birthday as a password or keep a post-it on their computer monitor. Unless you are able to force individuals to use strong or randomly generated passwords you are at a loss. In the end, human behavior will circumvent our best security.

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    1. Re:12345 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I have 16 personal passwords at work, and 10 shared passwords.
      All change, some daily, some weekly, some monthly. Oh, and did I mention they retain our passwords for 3 years to prevent re-use, and run them against dictionaries so anything not random rejects.

      Keeping track of these things is a huge pain, you never know what password you used, and most of the systems have a 3 tries and you're locked policy.
      They even have the password databases tied together so if you use one password on one system, it can't be used on a different one.

      The end result is every one of the 500+ employees with desks covered in post-its with passwords written on them.

      We asked if we could just use one password on all systems, they said it was possible for about 90% of them, but that it would mean one lost password would compromise the whole system.
      I mentioned it would be more secure than everyone writing down the passwords on their desks.
      They said to lock our drawers with the pw's in them at night.
      I said we don't have any keys.
      They didn't say anything else.

      The next day we got to work and all our passwords were gone, taken from the desks. Management had write-ups for each of us for failing to adhere to our security policy.

      So now most of us use a password utility that can be put on a usb stick, and we take them home so they don't get taken. Some people still write them down on paper, but also take them home.

      The moral being, due to an over-aggresive security policy, we now have passwords to all our sensitive systems floating around on paper, usb sticks, etc. some people have even taken to just emailing their own password list to themselves, and just remembering the email password.

      I work at a large banking/investement support firm. Scary, isn't it?

  8. Send letters by chinakow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From what I can see, most companies wait until the sensitive data is lost or stolen then they send every customer a letter telling them it is gone and offering to pay someone to keep an eye on their credit. Other than that, I think the policy must be, "ignorance is bliss." That is just my two cents.

  9. Enforce Strict Naming Conventions by jaguth · · Score: 5, Funny

    I name all of my sensitive files, databases, tables, and fields with names that nobody would want to touch, such as "Smashing Pumpkins Discography DB", "tblPeeWeeHerman", "Oprah.txt", ect.

    And for storage, I burn them all to DVD and put them inside empty "Aerosmith" jewel cases. Keeps them nice and safe from prying eyes.

  10. Why do they need access? by bockelboy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Ask yourself why the employees need the SSN access in the first place!

    Tell your DBA to create a view which replaces the SSN with some other random number for every possible person with DB access. That way, folks doing data mining or data quality will be happy.

    If your devs need SSN access to develop your application, ask them why the hell they need to work on the production DB!

    There's eventually going to be folks who need access to the real data. Hire a large football player, dress him in a suit, and have a "come to jesus" moment with any employee to make sure they understand how serious this is.

  11. Um by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Isn't the point of GP that when you pay the proper amount, you can often count on -- gasp -- *competent people coming to work.

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    1. Re:Um by magpie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Since when have pay and competence had anything to do with each other?

      Look in your average board room if you want evidence of the lack of a link.

  12. Legitimate selects? by MartinG · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What about employees who do legitimate selects from these databases and then load CSV files and other text files onto their laptops and PDAs?

    What kind of employee? General users shouldn't be doing selects directly anyway, but should be using software that limits what they can query to the minimum information they need, preferably not in a general purpose form like csv. On the other hand the developers of that software need to do all and any kinds of selects for a whole range of reasons. They however, should not be let anywhere near the actual production databases.

    This is how we do it anyway.

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  13. This is how we do it... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Well, in our environment, (an insurance company), the system will allow those authorized to copy data onto their notebooks, but what happens is that what actually gets written or copied are not the actual data. From what I know it goes something like this:

    Say the actual Name is John Doe and SSN is 123-456-789 and DoB is 1976-12-08, what gets copied is something like Name: XvfC Gzd, SSN: 908-954-213, DoB: 2788-98-98.

    So you work with the dummy data instead of the actual thing. Once done with whatever you wanted to do, the data get processed to reflect the needed changes before being written to disk.

    Even after getting written, committing only happens after rigorous checks.

  14. Unless your process is driven by marketing by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And you might have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for those pesky kids... from marketing and sales.

    Honestly, I don't know about government, but it most other places it seems to invariably be some sales or marketing guy who's lost a hard drive full of SSN's and contract data and whatnot. I guess it's simply a tale of greed. The prospect of selling an extra copy/insurance/account/contract is tempting enough to override all other concerns. So when you try saying that Mr Marketing GOD can't take all that data with him, guess who wins? Remember also that he's the guy who knows how to sell stuff to people, including his side of the story, while you're probably the security nerd that doesn't even speak management.

    To go on a roundabout tangent towards how _I_ would fix it: the funny thing is that the market can work in funny ways too. In a "bad money drives good money off the market" way. It applies to more than that. E.g.,

    - if some people can get away with tax evasion or corruption, they undercut and drive off the market the honest merchants. (See most of the ex-Communist Bloc.)

    - if some people can get away with monopolistic behaviour, they drive off the market those who don't. (See MS.)

    - and if some people can make a few extra bucks or save some costs by wiping their ass with your privacy, they gain an avantage over those who don't, and may eventually even drive them off the market one way or another.

    Etc.

    The thing is, the free market is just an optimization algorithm. It takes a given set of constraints, and eventually moves the economy towards a more optimal state. Optimal for those constraints. But like any optimization algorithm, you must make sure you set the constraints you need, or the solution may be something else than you expected. Bad behaviours can (and usually are) more "optimal" than good behaviours, if left unregulated. And eventually those who weren't destructive, either get the clue when the others are eating their lunch, or get to get bankrupt/bought/whatever.

    So basically what I'm saying is that nothing will really get fixed as long as there _is_ an economic advantage in ignoring privacy and security, and just giving the salesmen anything they want. The only way to fix it is if there was some kind of a negative feedback in the loop. When they'll stand to lose more money by losing your data, than anything they could gain by mis-using it, _then_ they'll start taking it seriously. Until then, nope.

    And it's not just a matter of personal principles and doing the right thing, regardless of what everyone else is doing. You're not isolated from the rest of the economy. If anyone wanted to be the "good" guy there, will find that the "bad" guys have an advantage over him. If he doesn't care, maybe his boss does, or maybe the shareholders just get rid of those shares and reward the bad guys instead.

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  15. Start at the top by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The main problem usually happens at the top - or the legal department.

    I worked at a place with a clear and documented policy against transmitting sensitive information over insecure networks - including the old text pagers from RIM (prior to the GSM blackberry). It was routine for me to receive sensitive/proprietary information on my pager from legal counsel. When I pointed out their failure to secure that data, they simply said I was paranoid - not that I'd misinterpreted the policy. They were too busy to worry about that. I documented every instance and handed 1 copy to the CIO, another to the secretary of the Chief Counsel and the final with the CEO's secretary since I couldn't get in to see either of them. I did this on my last day working there - left for a better job.

    Turns out the new job wasn't any better with important data - they wanted me to recover data from a desktop where they escorted the contractor out of the building. I don't know why. Seems he didn't really use the machine and remoted into his home server and a colo server for almost everything. The contract didn't ensure he placed all the code into the corporate SCS weekly or that he would document it or write manuals. 6 months of hourly cash paid and basically nothing to show for it. I did find a password protected ZIP file full of stuff - took 3 days to brute force it, but it was over 3 weeks old and the code didn't run.

    The company didn't even have a $20 background check performed before giving him access to the network. I would have liked a clean drug test too.

    Also, being tight at the start of a company is easier than after the barn doors are already open. Most of us start ups don't have the willpower to do this - or the technical expertise.

  16. How about $10,000 per SSN? by rueger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It seems like most of these stories involve some boob carrying data away on a laptop or USB key then losing it or having it stolen. Sure you want to acknowledge and deal with boobishness, but you also really need to address why the boob found it necessary to carry data away from the workplace in the first place, and why management encouraged and/or endorsed that action.

    If employees can complete work during a regular work day then there is no reason to take it home with them.

    If management insists that data security matters, it is possible to set up systems so that it's not possible for employees to copy of chunks of data and remove them.

    The solution likely is to nail these companies to the wall, and make it more expensive to let data out of the workplace that it is to hire more or better employees and develop secure internal systems to protect data.

    As it stands now a company can usually get by with firing one employee and saying "Oh my God! We promise this will never ever happen again!"

    For a start, how about a penalty of $10,000 for every SSN or credit card number released to the wild, no matter what the reason or excuse? Suddenly losing a laptop with 100,000 customer files will become a VERY big deal.

  17. Re:Pretty much a solved problem... by corbettw · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is pretty much a solved problem.

    As opposed to formatting comments on a discussion board?

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  18. Encryption, encryption and common sense by trydk · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work as a contractor for a number of companies and need to take sensitive data home (like their customer contracts, proposals, etc.) on my laptop.

    To make sure I do my best to keep their data away from others (especially since I travel a lot), I encrypt twice. First I encrypt the hard drive (before booting the OS) and then I encrypt the individual customer's files in separate "containers".

    Truecrypt has a nice feature for its encryption of containers (I use files with uninformative names like turbo.dat, haiku.wav, just for the fun of it) that it will automatically unmount the containers when the computer is put into sleep mode or hibernation, which means that no customer data is accessible when I am travelling.

    And regarding common sense: I do not keep any unecessary data on my laptop. I do not copy unneeded data to it and I remove all unneeded data immediately. I keep the different customer's data in separate cointainers and do not open different customer's containers at the same time to reduce the exposure, should somebody steal the laptop from my hands. I keep it locked to a big object whenever I work at a fixed place for some time and always before I leave it out of sight. I lock the screen every time I leave it.

    And guess what? It doesn't take too much time either.