Retroactive Telco Immunity Opponents Buying TV Ad

I Don't Believe in Imaginary Property writes "Whether they're mad at the Republicans for creating the mess, the Democrats for caving in, or both, many are still pissed off over the grant of retroactive immunity for spying on American citizens for no reason. And now some of them are trying to do something about it — they're buying an advertisement on cable TV. While it's not entirely clear what good, if any, this will do given that it's too late, at least it's cheap to participate — they're looking for $6 donations. The ideas is that, if more grass-roots groups do this kind of thing, their 'representatives' won't be able to afford to blow them off as easily."

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Re:The gentleman doth protest too much

[CauseWithoutARebel]

It is neither "spying on American citizens"

How is wiretapping Americans making phone calls not spying on Americans making phone calls? It seems to me that wiretapping is most certainly a form of spying and I'd be interested in what legitimate definition of spying you're using in which wiretapping, for some reason, just doesn't count.

nor "for no reason."

Fine. What reason then? Cite instances where the American government has wiretapped an American citizen and either explained clearly and completely why they did it, or

My standards of proof are higher than just taking mush-mouthed claims of "national security" to heart and walking away. What credible threats were investigated and what, if any, convictions (hell, what charges even) stemmed from any of the illegal wiretapping?

Now, on top of that, justify the illegal aspect of it by explaining why the existing FISA standards had to be illegally circumvented in each case.

The truth of the matter is conversations originating overseas from known or suspected terrorist organizations to their contacts in the U.S. may be monitored.

Yes, with proper warrants. Hence the difference between wiretapping which everyone is or could be made aware of and what we're actually discussing here: secret and illegal warrantless wiretapping.

with Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Since your commentary is so immature, I won't bother dignifying any response you post with further attention. I'm sure if I wanted a legitimate discussion instead of empty political theatrics, I could find it, so I don't need to bash my head on the wall with you.