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Your Computer and Cell Phone Are Lying To You

Ant writes with a story from Dan's Data, which says that the battery meter and connection-strength displays in your portable electronics are lying to you, "and not just when they whisper to you in the night." Quoting: "Mobile phones, and most modern laptops, have signal strength and battery life displays. One or both of these displays has probably been the focus of all of your attention at one time or another. Neither display is actually telling you what you think it's telling you. The signal strength bars on a mobile phone or laptop do, at least, say something about how strong the local signal is. But they don't tell you the ratio between that signal and the inevitable, and often very considerable, noise that accompanies it ..."

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  1. [Citation-Needed] by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article was indeed interesting, and believable. But it has a bad case of [Citation-Needed].

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    1. Re:[Citation-Needed] by zappepcs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no citation needed. I can personally attest to the fact that unless you pay tens of thousands for the equipment it's metering capabilities are ONLY an indicator, more or less like your gas gauge, and not some sensitive sensing system. period. ever.

      Most of the work done on electronics in the world is done without exacting measuring equipment. Yes, there will be those that argue, but *MOST* work is done with less than optimal equipment. Think that mechanic working on your car is using micrometers to do everything, or $2500 torque wrenches? For most of the world, good enough is ... well, good enough. Battery monitoring systems can only count down from full charge based on use and time. At best it is a simple calculation that cannot do much to account for aging of the battery or temperature compensation.

      No citation needed. That is simply how life is, and why this is a huge 'duh' article, even if joe bloggs doesn't realize it. It's the reason that your vehicle gauges are not calibrated. This applies to just about everything we use.

    2. Re:[Citation-Needed] by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every car I've ever owned has worked the same way. The bar will remain on "F" until 60% is reached, and then it gradually starts dropping. When the gauge claims I have "1/4" I really only have 15% of my fuel tank left.

      I've heard stories of car companies trying to make more accurate gauges, but the customers complained that the car was "half empty" after "only" 150 miles. They prefered the old gauges that still showed almost-full, even though those gauges were lying.

      So I suspect the real conspiracy is just "the ignorance of the average citizen" that led to deceptive gasoline and battery meters.

         

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  2. pedantry by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Neither display is actually telling you what you think it's telling you.

    Who cares? When it's full, my laptop or cellphone works great. When it's empty, the thing stops working. When there's only a few bars left, I either plug it in / move to a different location. IMO, it perfectly performs its intended duty. Anything beyond that is geek pedantry and nitpicking.

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    1. Re:pedantry by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Anything beyond that is geek pedantry and nitpicking.

      That is Slashdot.

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  3. Re:Pshaw by cushdan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I bet you're going to tell us next that DRM isn't for our own good and is just a way for conglomerates to steal more of our money with little effort done on their part. Hah!

    skillful integration of two /. themes "I already knew that" "DRM is bad"

  4. Re:Batteries by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You statement implies that you think it is more useful for the battery meter to display the charge level of the battery rather than the approximate amount of run time left.

    For 99.99999999% of the people on Earth (that's everyone other than you), I'm pretty sure that a linear run time indicator is wildly more useful than an actual charge indicator.

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  5. As a developer by timias1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have written code specifically around converting RSSI (Received Signal Strength Indication) into those signal bars, and a couple of things.

    There isn't standard regarding what reported dBm value should be associated with 1-5 bars. It is purely up to the discretion of the programmer. I have heard RSSI referred to as Relative Signal Strength Indication as well, because the value is at the mercy of internal A/D tolerances. I have seen several copies of the same radios in a lab, (Faraday Cage) report drastically different RSSI values (AKA Bars). Nearby RF sources can influence the signal levels as well.

    So that part of the article is true. I dare say anyone who actually knows anything about RF won't claim, bars guarantee connectivity. To say that it is lying to you because you don't understand how it works, makes the submitter look silly. Definition of "Lie" from Wikipedia: "A lie (also called prevarication) is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement with the intention to deceive"

    We aren't trying to deceive you, we give you the indication because it is better than nothing, and most of the time it is good enough.

  6. Re:Ummm, doesn't "lying" imply free will? by sm62704 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's simply Anthropomorphism. I talk to my car when it runs bad. I don't expect it to hear me or comprehend, but I do anyway. I talk to the computer, too.

    When I talk to machines, for some reason it's always cursing, as in "GOD DAMNED PIECE OF SHIT..."

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  7. Re:Wifi meters by russotto · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've written a wifi signal strength meter for an embedded product. During my research, I found it was pretty much standard to base the bumber of bars on the signal to noise ratio, not the raw signal strength.

    Not in the least because many common wifi chipsets don't make raw signal strength available to the rest of the system. Cellular modules do, but if you ask a phone maker how the number of bars corresponds to the error rate and signal strength, they won't tell you. Although a bit of experimentation reveals that as long as the error rate is low and the signal is above the noise floor, you get full bars. That's probably marketing.

    The battery conspiracy thing is a bit silly. Rechargable battery chemistry follows an S-curve. There's a very short period at the beginning with the battery over the nominal voltage, a long and almost linear middle section, and a short period at the end where the voltage drops quickly. So a naive voltage measurement gives exactly as described in the article -- almost full most of the time with a quick drop at the end. A less naive measurement is very tricky because the voltage in the linear section depends not only on state of charge, but current draw, recent current draw, temperature, the age of the battery being used, etc. The best way to do it accurately is to track a particular battery through its charge cycle and monitor current in and current out. Smart batteries like those in laptops do. I don't think cell phone batteries are smart batteries.

  8. Re:Pshaw by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or you could try to not get into an accident. The best way to do that is to drive a small, agile car and watch where you're going (I can tell you it really works wonders! Even just watching where you're going and minding the objects around you makes a huge difference!). But why go through all that trouble? It's better to get the biggest cudgel of a vehicle that's practical and let physics sort 'em out!*

    *hint: your safety is not determined solely by the G-forces you experience in an accident.

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  9. Re:Pshaw by electrictroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I live in the snowbelt.

    I've seen a lot of 4-wheel drive SUVs/trucks in the ditches, because they displace overconfidence (like you just did). Meanwhile I've driven a midsize or compact car, and have never had an accident in the snow. The key? "Don't drive faster than 30 miles an hour ya dope!"*

    As for F=ma, there's also "energy absorbing crush zones" to consider. A crash-friendly chassis is more important than F=ma. i.e. A 5000 pound SUV that remains solid like a brick (but turns its occupants into scrambled eggs) is a lot more dangerous than a 2000 pound civic that crumples like a wad of paper (but protects its passengers from damage). What matters is how well the vehicle ABSORBS the energy, not its weight. Also worthy of note: SUVs are more dangerous than cars. Why? SUVs rollover and smash the occupants.

    * (By dope, I'm referring to those numerous persons I see driving 65 on the interstate during snowstorms... I always wonder how they think they're going to stop while driving on slush.)

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