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Microsoft's Open Source Guru Faces Tough Fight

coondoggie writes "Microsoft's Sam Ramji is like a turkey knocking on Thanksgiving's door. Ramji has the unenviable task of stretching his neck out into the open source world as Microsoft's representative. On top of it, his employer has preheated the oven with years of hubris, sleights of hand and broken promises. Ramji's Sisyphean task was evident last week in Portland at the Open Source Conference (OSCon) and will likely be fuel for chatter at next week's LinuxWorld gathering in San Francisco."

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  1. Shades of Gray? by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Interesting
    From TFA:

    The first questioner from the audience wanted to know what it would take for Microsoft not to claim patent infringement violations in open source code.

    I'd like to know what it would take for Microsoft to actually back up those claims with proof in a public forum. But that's probably a question for Steve Ballmer, since he's the one who seems to flog the patent FUD.

    OTOH, I have contracted at Microsoft (once as a dev doing an intranet site for a testing lab, once being the editor in charge of a couple of sections of the MSW homepage), and it's an interesting culture there. It's not the Death Star with Ballmer walking around, periodically strangling people with his mind just to show who's boss.

    In a company that big you can't escape the control freaks and evidence of The Peter Principle, but you also have people there like my manager on the intranet site contract, who was the best manager I've had in the 23 years since I started having managers. For all the greed and arrogance people here like to claim go into Microsoft products, there are a lot of people who are there because they love what they do and Microsoft gives them the opportunity to get paid well for doing it. I met some awesome people at Microsoft, people I really respect.

    I switched to Mac to avoid Vista. I use NeoOffice instead of MS Office. But I can say that despite some of the aura of badness Microsoft gives off as a company, there are people there who are truly dedicated to the company being a good citizen, putting out good products, and getting along with others. The people who give Ramji a hard time really haven't given him a chance.

  2. why is this a problem? by ocularDeathRay · · Score: 5, Interesting

    why can't we just ignore them? I mean seriously, if there is one thing we (oss guys) can agree on... SURELY this is it. For many years, hate for M$ has been the only thing that the free software community could agree on.

    why can't the entire free software crowd just stand up and say "No thanks", we aren't interested in what you have to say.

    if you think that M$ will ever help free software in any meaningful way, you obviously haven't been paying attention over the past couple decades.

    there is good news in this though. M$ is obviously noticing that every day there are people installing linux who used to use window$. They know that linux on the desktop is closing the gap and many other companies stand to profit from it. After years of pretending OSS didn't exist, or worse yet, attacking it in underhanded ways, they don't have a piece of the action. This whole M$/oss thing, just means they are realizing there is a chance that maybe OSS really IS the next big thing.

    My prediction is that a huge company with unlimited resources like google will package up a nice, distro, call it something flashy, advertise the hell out of it, and give it away for free. I am well aware of the options that already exist, but the average person is not. It takes flashy marketing to capture the market.

    how can M$ possibly compete with other companies who come in at a price point nearly $0, with a better product, a good ad campaign, AND profit margins of nearly 100%? They can't. Someday the house of cards will fall. They know it, they think, they can adapt by getting involved with OSS. They will fail because we hate them.

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  3. Re:This is B.S. at its finest! by wizzat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was there when he was being grilled at the final keynote. Honestly, O'Reily (the OSCON sponsor) had to ask people to *STOP* asking the MS representative tough questions... but he even gave the harder questions a go. Not everyone wass going to be happy with the answers, but... they won't ever be, right? It's coming from the Ebil Micro$oft, afterall.

    MS is changing with the times, as any successful corporation really must. There are even some pretty compelling business reasons for this, I'll wager. For instance, MS can (I presume) distribute this "free" software without typical development costs (and I presume it wouldn't hurt them to distribute the source code for these free utilities). They can instead focus their developers on ensuring that FOSS interacts and is integrated well with their products and services. They even receive free bug fixes and are likely to contribute bug fixes themselves.

    Evidence of this business practice is emerging even now: MS is a platinum sponsor for Apache, and contributed a MSSQL patch to ADOdb (BSD license, not MS). Of course, MS isn't the only large corporation doing this (Sun, HP, IBM, Google, etc).

    Well, at least, that's my theory for the sudden about-face.

  4. Re:Don't be a Nevile Chamberlain. by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 4, Interesting

    LGPL isn't GPL. You can still "embrace and enhance" LGPL code. GPL is the real test.

  5. Actions. by miffo.swe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Until there are actions made by Microsoft that benefits open source in general everything Microsoft does in OSS should be taken with a large dose of skeptisism. Its all PR.

    As long as their goal is to obliterate any competition, kill partners any time it gives a benefit and screw their customers over they shouldnt be allowed to be in our community. While we play nice they spend their time trying to come up with new ways of controlling or killing the open source movement.

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  6. Re:HAVE you tried it? by Ooblek · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Yeah, Joe Sixpack can also:

    * Learn to manually set the MTU of the ppp0 interface when connecting to a pptp VPN at the office since the VPN setup effectively ignores the MTU setting. Although this makes certain things just not work properly when the remote end ignores requests to fragment, it is not a priority to fix apparently.

    * Figure out how to make ndiswrapper load the wireless interface drivers on his laptop. Even though there are wireless drivers for the wireless nic, they don't work. You have to download the Windows package, extract the ndis driver from it, and then follow some cryptic commands to get the ndiswrapper kernel module to load it.

    * Teach his 4 year old kid how to enter the keyring password so that the wireless WPA key can be retrieved when the kid's gaming computer starts up that is down in the kitchen with a wireless card. Though ubuntu has a nice option of auto login (since kids that young might not know how to type a username and password in) so that he can put links on the desktop that the kid can click to go to Barney's website and such, auto login doesn't count as entering the password. So he can figure out a way to put a script hack in where he has to put in his password IN PLAIN TEXT to get around the prompt for the keyring password.

    * Try using open office and embedding pictures in a word processing document, only to find that Microsoft Word (which everyone else at the office uses) either can't load the pictures or the pictures come out scaled to thumbnail size. But, you have to export it in like Word 95 format to at least get the thumbnails.

    * He can continually wonder WHY THE HELL DOES FLASH KEEP LOCKING UP FIREFOX? Seriously, after a few LiveLeak or YouTube videos, you have to force-quite the browser and reload it. WTF?

    I use Ubuntu 90% of the time now, but I'm no Joe Sixpack. The open source community has its own hubris that is, quite frankly, annoying.

    I mean, seriously, all the open source people are rabidly anti-microsoft and insistent that anything they can do OSS can do as well or better. All this forcefully exerting how idiotic it is to use MS products culminates in end users finally moving over to OSS. Then....

    They inevitably have problems or encounter bugs. They ask, sometimes not nicely, the project community to fix the bugs, only to be met with: "This type of attitude really irks me. You get all this stuff for free, you can fix it yourself or pay someone to fix it."

    It was YOUR agenda that brought the users here, make them WANT to stay here rather than giving up and going back to Microsoft. Ubuntu is nice and useful as long as you know how to deal with these little usability quirks and annoying bugs. Supporting non-developers on OSS still SUCKS.