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Dutch Town Lays Air-Purifying Concrete

eldavojohn writes "In an effort to combat air pollution, a Dutch town has paved some of its streets with air-purifying concrete. It contains a titanium dioxide-based additive that utilizes sunlight to turn car exhaust into harmless nitrates. It was shown to do this in a lab and now the scientists are interested in just how much this will affect the air quality around the road. They will sample the air quality by a normal road and by this newly paved one."

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  1. Offset? by Recovering+Hater · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the purifying concrete offsets the pollution incurred from mining the titanium to create the concrete? Am I wrong in thinking I knew an old lady who swallowed a fly? Someone weigh in on this please. Thanks :P

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    1. Re:Offset? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This one is obviously about enhancing the air in the city. It is not supposed to solve any large scale problems with the climate. Didn't RTFA.

    2. Re:Offset? by hardburn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might. If it works well enough, it would mean we could either remove catalytic converters from cars (which would increase engine efficiency), or promote the use of small diesels (which can be more fuel efficient but release a lot more NOx), and end up with a net win for smog pollution.

      In other words, it doesn't directly do anything greenhouse gases, but it does allow us to produce less greenhouse gases by using techniques that produce more nitrates.

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    3. Re:Offset? by rjhubs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I supposed it could work because the cost of getting titanium is a one time cost, but the effects of the concrete will continue working over time.

    4. Re:Offset? by Born2bwire · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would depend on whether or not the titanium dioxide is acting as a catalyst or component of the reaction.

    5. Re:Offset? by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If it works well enough, it would mean we could either remove catalytic converters from cars (which would increase engine efficiency), or promote the use of small diesels (which can be more fuel efficient but release a lot more NOx), and end up with a net win for smog pollution.

      An exhaust-eating road surface is never going to be as efficient as a guy just chasing your car down the street with a big vacuum cleaner hose. I think we're keeping our catalytic converters.

  2. Nitrates? by ArcherB · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nitrates? Aren't those bad in their own right? I'm thinking along the lines of fertilizer run-off and the affect it has on algae in oceans. Could this solution create worse problems?

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    1. Re:Nitrates? by AKAImBatman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Plants need Nitrates to grow. (Nitrates == Nitrogen based chemicals.) So it should actually be positive for the soil rather than negative. I stress *should* because without knowing the exact chemical composition, it's hard to understand if there are any hidden problems with this technique.

      One thing I am worried about, though, is the color of these sidewalks. If they're using titanium dioxide, shouldn't they be a nice brown color? (Think: Coffee, cola, and other brown liquids.) I don't know about anyone else, but a brown sidewalk or street is not my idea of "attractive". (I presume the "green" bricks used in this trial have been painted or stained with an even more powerful pigment.) Of course, given the natural color of titanium dioxide, perhaps this technique is intended for use with blacktop rather than concrete as suggested by the article? In which case the brown would be unnoticeable. That would also jive with the replacement time for these roadways as any passive chemical solution is going to become less effective after a few years of use.

      It would be nice if the article had more of these details.

    2. Re:Nitrates? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nitrates? Aren't those bad in their own right? I'm thinking along the lines of fertilizer run-off and the affect it has on algae in oceans. Could this solution create worse problems?

      Well they make plants grow and that cuts down on the CO2.

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  3. How green? by Smivs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This sounds like a great idea if it works, but surely producing concrete is a far from 'green' process. I wonder how long the concrete has to be in place to neutralise the polluting effect of manufacturing it in the first place.

    1. Re:How green? by ArcherB · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This sounds like a great idea if it works, but surely producing concrete is a far from 'green' process. I wonder how long the concrete has to be in place to neutralise the polluting effect of manufacturing it in the first place.

      But we are producing concrete anyway, so we'll still be ahead as long as this process does not produce more pollution than the pollution from standard concrete + whatever it absorbs.

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  4. Re:TFA interesting but light on details by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm also a bit curious about the "harmless nitrates" that will be washed into the ground every time it rains.

  5. Re:TFA interesting but light on details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I would imagine that active elements would decay, and that in a number of years, the concrete wouldn't do anything.

    But by then, the road would need to be repaved anyways, so that's not really a problem. As long as it remains chemically active for a longer timespan than the life of the road, we're good.

  6. Two problems by snarfies · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) From TFA: "'With one rain shower everything is washed clean,' the institution said in a statement." Ah, but exactly WHAT is washed to WHERE, eh? Are we just trading off air pollution for water pollution?

    2) How durable is this new substance? How much pollution can the road suck up before it wears out? Will it need to be resurfaced and/or replaced every year? Two years?

  7. What? by Dunbal · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As a biologist I take exception to the phrase "harmless nitrates"!

          It may not have anything to do with greenhouse gasses, but more nitrates in rivers and ground-water is the last thing humanity needs.

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  8. Nitrates not so harmless! But it won't work anyway by GPS+Pilot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the additive binds the nitrogen oxide particles emitted by car exhausts and turns them into harmless nitrates. "With one rain shower everything is washed clean," the institution said

    Hmm... the New York Times says nitrates are "a dangerous and increasingly widespread pollutant... reaching dangerous levels in groundwater".

    It seems environmentalists hold wildly diverging opinions on this.

    If the NYT is correct, it's fortunate that this "air purifying concrete" is not likely to be very effective. You see, only a small percentage of the NOx molecules are going to come in contact with the road surface (which makes them eligible for conversion to nitrates). The titanium dioxide in the concrete is not able to reach out and grab NOx molecules floating one meter or even one millimeter above the road. I predict the air quality measurements will show very little difference, and the media will never report on this idea again.

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  9. For the system to be effective... by SamP2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nitrates don't need to be harmless, nor there needs to be zero side effects. All that's needed is that the combined damage produced by any side effects must be less than the damage produced by the excess carbon dioxide in lieu of said concrete.

    Funny how any time there is a proposed innovation to solve a problem, there are always nitpickers who point out side effects without considering their proportion compared to the original problem being solved. A solution either offers a net benefit, or it doesn't.