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No Linux IdeaPad For Lenovo's US Customers

narramissic writes "When Lenovo's new IdeaPad 'S' series netbooks hit stores in October, U.S. buyers will only be given one option: Windows XP on the IdeaPad S10 (making it not so much a series as a single offering). Meanwhile, people in most markets Lenovo serves, including Singapore, China and the U.K., will be offered both of the company's new IdeaPad netbooks (the S10, which has 10.2-inch screen, and the S9, which has an 8.9-inch screen), and the choice of either Microsoft Windows XP or a Linux OS. Before you start feeling too sorry for yourself, consider the price tag: the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399." Liliputing (a cool site for anyone interested in sub-notebook computing) has posted a few bits on the IdeaPad, including some short videos.

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  1. XP by porcupine8 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reading through the summary, at first I thought that the fact that it was only available with XP was supposed to be a good thing. Then I got further and realized it was being compared to XP + Linux, not XP + Vista.

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    1. Re:XP by pheared · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually it seems that they think the UK consumers are stupid, given the price hike they are imposing.

    2. Re:XP by sayfawa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People in countries with higher wages pay more for products. Who would've thought? Maybe that price comparison should factor in the two countries' average incomes.

      In other news, rice costs more here than in India. They must think we're stupid.

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    3. Re:XP by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually it's half and half between the greedy company and the greedy government in this case. UK VAT is 17.5%, so taking the figure of $629 means the tax will be $110, leaving a base price of $519. That's still $120 extra for Lenovo, as well as $110 for the government.

    4. Re:XP by S.O.B. · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ignore the Anonymous Coward. He was dropped on his head a lot as a child...which was last week.

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    5. Re:XP by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Informative
      People in countries with higher wages pay more for products. Who would've thought? Maybe that price comparison should factor in the two countries' average incomes. In other news, rice costs more here than in India. They must think we're stupid.

      Yes, you may be rich, but you are stupid. (And the dipshits that modded you up even more so.) Many hi-tech goods are much cheaper in the US than in most third-world countries. It's about markets, competition, trade barriers, monopolies. Businesses don't calculate what would be a "fair" price related to wages, they just charge what the market will bear.

  2. not linux by larry+bagina · · Score: 4, Funny

    it's "Linpus Linux Lite". Based on the name alone, I say good riddance.

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    1. Re:not linux by BlackCreek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      this is the distro used in acer low end notebooks, no X, just a black screen. Great for presenting a Windows alternative!.

      and I would take that anyday instead of paying for XP / Vista.

      Please, note that Dell is only selling Linux pre-installed in "selected" markets...

    2. Re:not linux by Joe+Jay+Bee · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty shit name. Pretty much the only worse name for a distro I can think of would be "Smegmux", which is horrific - except for the fact that Linpus is real.

  3. Black market by Chris+Pimlott · · Score: 5, Funny

    I foresee a black market in Linux system restore discs...

    1. Re:Black market by frieko · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've never had to hunt down a driver for my Thinkpad. Everything "Just Works" in Ubuntu.

  4. My netbook purchase is on hold... by loteck · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Until Dell releases their E series netbooks. The specs are promising (please include a 6-cell battery), they look very good, and the price point reflects a "race to the bottom" that I fear Asus's EeePC series has forgotten.

    Of course then the dual cores will start coming out later in the year, but I doubt I can wait until then, especially at these prices.

    1. Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... by timothy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm in the same (or a similar) boat, awaiting the rising tide ...

      The used-to-be-ThinkPad background of the Lenovo laptop line is probably the biggest reason this one is high on the list -- I'm hoping the keyboard on this will be more tolerable than for instance that on the early EEE (I will *not* tempt fate to say it could hardly be worse); the Acer Aspire One is very similarly specced / priced, but I read yesterday that Acer's planning to sell a 6-cell battery for (ack!) $130, which strikes me as a poor bargain. If only this was still IBM / ThinkPad branded, there'd be good reason to hope for lots of 3d-party accessories. Right now I'm just trying to anticipate which of the various near-identical cheap subnotebooks will have the greatest network effects, specifically thinking of battery price / watt hour.

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    2. Re:My netbook purchase is on hold... by maxume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The Lenovo 3000 (their first 'consumer' notebook) line does not really reflect the ThinkPad heritage, and as far as I can tell, the intent of the IdeaPad is to make a similarly consumer oriented notebook, but to leave out all of the clunky that they built into the 3000s (mediocre speakers, boring-as-possible design, etc.), so don't be surprised if this offering falls short of ThinkPad-based expectations.

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  5. US Europe price differential .. by rs232 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "the S10 will sell for £319 (US$629) in the U.K., but in the U.S. the starting price is $399"

    Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?

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    1. Re:US Europe price differential .. by DragonWriter · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is this, does it cost more to ship it to Europe or is it we're supposed to subsidise the US market?

      No, its because they think they'll make more profit in Europe charging more, either because Europeans have more money they are willing to throw at this kind of tech, or because its a narrower, richer segment of the market willing to consider the product at all in Europe; its simply a matter of segmenting the market and charging as much as the market will bear in each segment.

      Cost probably has next to nothing to do with it.

    2. Re:US Europe price differential .. by xaxa · · Score: 5, Informative

      - we're willing to pay more (i.e. we value stuff more)
      - more regulations (apparently)
      - tax included in the price (17.5% for the UK price)
      - company has to pay recycling charge (WEEE)
      - longer warrenties (by law)

      At least, that's what /. came up with last week :-)

    3. Re:US Europe price differential .. by BlackCreek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Add to that the fact that the European web-market for bargains is terribly fragmented due to:
      1. The different languages;
      2. the fragmentation of the delivery market that makes prices for shipping across many national borders much higher than what it should, say in the US you often get single fee for continental US, but here you get single fee for ... Belgium or The Netherlands!
    4. Re:US Europe price differential .. by ya+really · · Score: 2, Funny

      - we're willing to pay more (i.e. we value stuff more)

      Ahhh...so that explains why my cell phone company keeps tacking on extra charges, they know I'll value their service more.

    5. Re:US Europe price differential .. by cerberusss · · Score: 3, Funny

      in the US you often get single fee for continental US, but here you get single fee for ... Belgium or The Netherlands!

      Of course it's a single fee for Belgium and The Netherlands. Belgium is a province of The Netherlands.
       
      On the other hand, I had expected a single fee for Germany and the two above, since The Netherlands is
      one of Germany's Bundeslander.

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    6. Re:US Europe price differential .. by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 2, Funny

      Belgium doesn't exist!. Please stop perpetuating the leftist agenda!

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  6. UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... by Channard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, we usually get screwed more on the price. More often than not, UK folks end up paying in pounds what US folks pay in dollars.

    1. Re:UK getting charged more? There's a shocker... by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You can switch out "end up paying" for "are perfectly willing to pay"...

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  7. It *is* Linux by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Linpus distro has been around for more than 10 years. I ran it when I was in Taiwan. You can get the install dvd or live cd here: ftp://ftp.linpus.com/dists/LL96/iso/

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    1. Re:It *is* Linux by Artichoke · · Score: 2, Informative

      For all I know it could be an excellent distro with a pedigree as long as your arm but it still has a terrible, terrible name.

      Pus: sticky creamy bodily fluid that oozes from sores and spots.

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    2. Re:It *is* Linux by twistedemotions · · Score: 5, Funny

      Agreed. I can see it now: Open Sores Linpus

  8. So I guess it was a good idea... by gillbates · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To buy an Asus EEE PC. Not that IBM has a bad reputation with respect to being Linux compatible, but it was nice to have it come installed and just work out of the box.

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    1. Re:So I guess it was a good idea... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lenovo != IBM

  9. No clit?! by sznupi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ehhh...Lenovo had a chance of replacing ridiculously small touchpads found in all netbooks with a trackpoint, ending up with THE best netbook on the market.

    Instead...they're only average/good... :/

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    1. Re:No clit?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You sound surprised. I've seen so many people praise the Thinkpad "nipple" on my old laptop as an astounding development, yet still buy a Dell instead because they double the RAM for free ...

    2. Re:No clit?! by karnal · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Most of the business class notebooks I've used at my employer - All dells, a few ibms - every one has a trackpoint style device.

      To be honest though - the IBMs seem to work better. The ones on the early dells (c600/610) had a manufacturing problem in the keyboard that would make the mouse fly all over the screen after the keyboard heated up from normal use and warped the sensor underneath.

      The T42 I'm using now has an awesome trackpoint - and I used to swear by these and never use the touchpad. Since the implementation in the dells seems to be less... I don't know.. refined, I find myself actually used to the touchpad now.

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  10. Re:Not just US and Lenovo by BlackCreek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here in The Netherlands it's impossible to get the Linux version of the eee pc 901.

    Did you actually found the Eee 901 for sale in the NL already? (Just asking because I haven't seen it anywhere).

  11. Re:Not just US and Lenovo by kramulous · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Here in Aus, I noticed that just recently, the sub-notebooks for sale in the general electrical shops have had linux removed and now you can only see XP. This has happened in the last couple of months. I'll go with plot.

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  12. Re:Price Difference by KGIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    VAT and basic marketing principles. They can sell for more so they do.

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  13. So XP hasn't been discontinued by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So now XP's $399. And you get a free computer with it. Considering how much Vista costs, that sounds like a pretty good deal...

  14. Re:Not just US and Lenovo by Petrushka · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I feel lucky, having read your post and the sibling posts, that I noticed when the Linux version of the 901 hit shop catalogues in NZ last week (thank you pricespy.co.nz). However, it's kind of conspicuous that any shop that has announced they have any in stock is out of stock the following day. Even the WinXP models seem to sell very quickly. I would like to think that the same thing has been happening in NL and Oz; it may even be true. But Asus' heavy emphasis on the WinXP line is certainly not just bad luck, I think: it's entirely intentional.