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Watching China Turn Off the Pollution

NewbieV points out coverage of the effort to assess Beijing's air pollution control efforts. Quote from one of the investigators: "This will be a very interesting experiment that can never happen again." Here's the main project scientist's site on the monitoring effort, and Newsweek coverage that brings out a paradoxical effect of reducing pollution on global warming. "Unmanned aerial vehicles are measuring emissions of soot and other forms of black carbon. The instruments are observing pollution transport patterns as Beijing enacts its 'great shutdown' for the Summer Olympic Games. Chinese officials have compelled reductions in industrial activity by as much as 30 percent and cuts in automobile use by half to safeguard the health of competing athletes immediately before and during the games."

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  1. Watching China by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What about the American athletes who got in trouble for wearing breathing masks due to the (still) poor quality of the air?

    Is the Olympic Committee going to step up and make sure future governments who host the Olympics don't get to prevent the athletes from protecting themselves?

  2. Re:Smashing by AndersOSU · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think I've heard that before... Something about bread and circuses.

    Or maybe eating cake...

    You should write your presidential candidate of choice, perhaps they can make it a campaign slogan.

  3. Perhaps by Colin+Smith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You also noticed the oil price falling too. Watch what happens to that after the olympics.

     

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  4. Re:Haha by magarity · · Score: 5, Insightful

    see how many China haters there are on Slashdot
     
    No reasonable person hates "China"; China is a great place with a lot of fascinating history and culture. Maoist style communists, on the other hand, most reasonable people can agree to hate.

  5. Re:Smashing by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We should have more Olympic games. Every month, in each and every single country in the world.

    The Olympics can only happen the way that they do because advertisers are willing to pay MegaBucks to the host city for the privilege of becoming an official sponsor, because tourists will flock in droves, and for a million other reasons that essentially center around the fact that the Olympics are a rather limited and exclusive event.

    You hold it every month and you dilute the brand value.

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  6. Cue the rationalists.... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Particles in pollution that enter the atmosphere cool the Earth by shielding radiation from the sun and bouncing it back out to space. Cutting down on the release of these particles by improving air quality, which China is doing right now and which the West has been doing for some time, actually diminishes this shield and the Earth's temperature rises, Ramanathan and others say.

    Cue the rationalists who will use this as yet another argument against the climatologists and environmental "whackjobs" who are trying to destroy capitalism in order to protct their "American" way of life.

    To paraphrase my wife: "It doesn't matter if global warming is true or not. We all want cleaner air."
    SHe was talking to right winger who was "educated" (told) by a talk radio host that global warming is a myth created by anti-capitalist environmental whackjobs.

    1. Re:Cue the rationalists.... by asc99c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The science says definitively it is real and it is a problem - the melting icecaps will raise sea levels and flood a lot of coastal cities.

      An interesting question though is whether it's a problem for us or the planet. Certainly the planet has been a lot warmer than it is now and the world didn't end. It's really our fixed infrastructure that will suffer if sea levels change.

  7. Re:Haha by gnuman99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No. I do not hate Maoist style communists. I do not like anyone that denies *reality* for propaganda purposes. Of course, this also includes the so called "communists" in China as well as some standing under Mission Accomplished banners on aircraft carrier.

    Anyone that stands there proclaims fact A in-spite of the facts - I do not believe that person anymore.

    But then maybe this makes me a "science hugger" or whatever term is coined for that. You know, people that look at facts as they are and can change their mind in light of new information? You know, people that *think*?

    So no, I do not hate "Maoist style communists" because,

        1. I do not know enough about them

        2. I do not believe in extremist's propaganda vs. communists (they also hate Castro for some reason while they supported Batista - Castro cared and did a lot more for Cuba than Batista even cared to think)

        3. China is rifled with corruption. So called "Maoist style communists" that people hate is probably more to do with that corruption than the actual economic ideology.

        4. There is a lot worse abuses around the world than in China yet same people that so crazily *hate* the Chinese leaders do not exactly hate or care about the real atrocities.

        5. Most reasonable people do not hate - hate is an irrational emotion. And if you can hate one thing, you can easily be manipulated to hate another, including your own mother.

        6. China doesn't have "Maoist style communists" anymore. None that actually matter. All of them basically converted to nationalistic "china first - me second - rest way behind" type of people.

  8. According to Yoda... by denzacar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No reasonable person hates.

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  9. Re:Smashing by gad_zuki! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Physical well-being? Its a freakshow of people who train hard everyday since childhood and many of whom are serious drug abusers.

    Its the ultimate dirty competition where countries exploit little kids. Thats not even mentioning how dirty IOC is.

    These people can no way compete monthly on this level. You would just have a batch of different winners every so often.

    That's ignoring the flawed economics. Youre not sitting around watching this stuff monthly. You'll watch a little every 4 years. No way advertisers are paying those rates monthly.

  10. Re:Summary: by myrdos2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It was all being burnt before there were oil fires. In fact, it's all still being burnt today. (Just check your tailpipe for proof).

    No, the wells could only have increased emissions if the fires were removing oil from the ground faster than the operational, non-burning wells were.

    Of course, you could always argue about catalytic converters and whether torching a barrel of oil is more or less harmful than burning the equivalent amount of gasoline, or what percentage of the oil is used to make plastic. But most of the carbon goes right into the air. The oil fires were just cutting out the middle-man, as it were.

  11. Re:Haha by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Didn't you ever hear of "Hate what is Evil and Love what is good"? Hate may be an emotional response but many times it is to a logical conclusion one reaches on the good/evil scale of measuring things. It helps if you don't subscribe to relativistic morality to understand this.

  12. Re:Facts Tell a Different Story by poached · · Score: 4, Insightful

    chinese women tend to look younger than they really are. Think of it as a plus.

    think of the disgrace brought upon the chinese, the host country, if what you said is true and is exposed by some creditable source? gymnastics is one of the strongest program the chinese has. I don't think they would risk it.

  13. Nothing paradoxical here by hey! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, the news media couldn't exactly pass up this opportunity to confuse people even more on the global climate change issue, could they?

    How amazingly stupid could an editor be, to take what is a straightforward, well known aspect of local climate, and then title an article with a spurious question like "Is Health Air Bad?" The answer is, he'd have to be so amazingly stupid and ignorant, that it must be deliberate. It's a blessing that nobody mentioned to the reporter that the brownish-yellow particulate haze probably contains high levels of ozone. That would have been yet another opportunity to confound different issues and further muddy public understanding (along with the manufacturers of ozone generators).

    For years there have been studies decrying Americans' scientific ignorance, Still, if anything it's amazing they aren't even more ignorant and apathetic than they are, given that their major news sources are, to all appearances, trying to make them more confused about science than they were.

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  14. Re:Haha by krog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A trick for the rude part: just learn one sentence in french, then more parisian would try to speak back to you in english.

    This actually works almost every time. Also useful in Quebec.