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Lenovo Intros the Monstrous ThinkPad W700

Engadget recently got their hands on an early delivery of Lenovo's new powerhouse of a laptop, the W700. Aimed at graphic artists and photographers, this beast is designed to really pack a punch. No word on how much for the extra fusion generator to power it for longer than 20 minutes. "Containing enough computational artillery to level a small village, this for-creatives-only behemoth is designed for sheer pixel pushing ... and little else. The system packs in two features aimed at graphic artists and photographers which are fairly unique to a laptop: a built in Wacom digitizer just to the right of the trackpad, and an on-board color calibrator. But what's happening under the hood you ask? Well, for starters the 17-incher sports the first-ever Intel Quad Core Extreme CPU in a laptop (no word on speeds at this point) as well as the first showing of NVIDIA's Quadro FX 3700 graphics chipset (with a hefty 1GB of memory on-board). The workstation also serves up dual hard drive bays configurable as RAID 0 or 1 (SSD or traditional disk, naturally), up to 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and an optional Blu-ray burner. Of course, that's fully kitted out -- the W700 starts at $2,978 and moves skyward from there."

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  1. Yes but.... by TechnoBunny · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...can it run Vista/Linux/?

  2. Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apple needs to step up and try to match this.

    1. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by daveime · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, with something shiny costing at least $10,000, preferably with a cup holder for the Starbucks Latte.

    2. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 5, Funny

      ... and a bluetooth buttplug. Don't mod me down, you were all thinking the same.

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    3. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by muffen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, with something shiny costing at least $10,000, preferably with a cup holder for the Starbucks Latte.

      ... but you need Apple's permission to put the Latte there.

    4. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by MMC+Monster · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Perhaps the cup holder can be positioned over the CPU heat sink? That way it can double as a warmer or to brew tea.

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    5. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by paanta · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...and even if they give you permission, they may remotely disable your latte if it violates your coffee shop's TOS.

    6. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by knight24k · · Score: 4, Funny

      I thought all computers came with a cup holder. I know mine keeps retracting at the most inconvenient times spilling coffee all over the place.

    7. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      but is it really nice enough to cut into the 17" MacBook Pro market?

      With quad-core, a 1gig video card and Wacom tablet built-in?

      Are you serious? This thing will be have bits of MacBook Pro in its stool.

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    8. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by MBCook · · Score: 4, Funny

      My current MacBook Pro doesn't have a cup holder. They haven't for YEARS.

      It does have a potato chip slot, but it only holds one at a time and it seems to make the guys at the local genius bar mad when I use it.

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    9. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, you know what they say about men with big hands ...

      Big gloves.

    10. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I've been through three PowerBook/MBP 15" now. I know people with 17s and they look great... on a desk. I'd go for a MB or even an Air except, as a photographer and a medical imaging researcher I occasionally find a use for Firewire ports and decent graphics.

      The desktop replacements just don't offer enough features to me to overcome the difficulty of carrying them around (often with twenty or thirty pounds of camera gear, for the suck-it-up-you-wimp types).

      This seems even worse than the desktop replacement crowd though. This thing is big, but it's also got a bunch of extra crap tied onto it. That little tablet is too small to be useful, and everybody I know (including me) who uses a tablet likes to perch it at a weird angle. It's unlikely the screen calibrator does as well as a dedicated one in a controlled environment, and you don't need to calibrate even every day anyway.

      Good on Lenovo for trying to innovate, but I think they've fallen into the all too common trap of throwing a bunch of gadgets at a notebook and thinking it's going to be the next big thing. They should have stopped with a light, well made, reasonably powered notebook with that nice screen (the screen has an extra wide colour gamut). Then they'd have tempted the creatives.

    11. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The artsy types

      I'll tell you what, when I do live performances of sound and video art, where I need a powerful laptop connected via firewire to digital audio interfaces and HDMI and where every new input method (Wacom tablet!) is precious, I would be thrilled to have this "monster" sitting next to me.

      Admittedly, this thing ain't for carrying around to the Starbucks and showing off, it's for special applications where you need a powerful workstation you can fold up and carry home when you're done.

      If you want to look cool and be a visibly connected member of the hip generation, and you want your laptop to coordinate with your other digital accessories, and you've used the word "meme" more than once in the past month, then the MacBook Pro is for you. When you really need to be pumping that digital wattage out of your portable cottage, pick this new Lenovo.

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    12. Re:Apple needs to step up and try to match this. by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, you know what they say about men with big hands ...

      "You must acquit"?

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  3. Discrimination by EvanED · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Wacom tablet is on the right of the trackpad, a very inconvenient place for us left-handers. Just another example example of the man trying to keeps us down.

    1. Re:Discrimination by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nope not even ideal. I dont know of a single artist that would be caught dead using that tiny digi.

      a 8X10 Wacom is easier to pack in the laptop bag than a mouse... so adding a digi onto the laptop is like having spinner rims on the car.... useless and for show only.

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    2. Re:Discrimination by Urkki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Indeed. So where would you put the Wacom on this laptop, assuming you still have to be able to sell a lot of them to make it worth making them in the first place?

      (This is a serious question. Is there a solution?)

    3. Re:Discrimination by Squapper · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I am an graphic artist (3d/2d) and a Wacom smaller than A5 is quite useless for serious production.

      Also, i don't see when i would require a portable workstation (for that is what this monster is trying to be). Better to keep the field- and office-work seperate.
      I'd rather have my 24'' monitor too (even though the laptop's panel has quite nice resolution)

    4. Re:Discrimination by Squapper · · Score: 2, Informative

      Red button?
      I guess you refer to "the clitoris".

    5. Re:Discrimination by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Wacom tablet is on the right of the trackpad, a very inconvenient place for us left-handers. Just another example example of the man trying to keeps us down.

      Just turn the machine through 180 degrees, and viola! the tablet is on the left hand side instead. Some further modifications may be needed, of course.

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    6. Re:Discrimination by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So where would you put the Wacom on this laptop...

      Oh I don't know, on the screen, maybe? You know, like a normal Tablet PC, which is exactly what this is except that Tablet PCs have bigger digitizers and work better because the strokes appear where the user actually drew them.

      I mean really, what kind of idiot would want this?! It's like getting a really tiny Intuos when you could have had a nice big Cintiq for less!

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    7. Re:Discrimination by Urkki · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I kinda think touch-sensitive displays are not an option for serious drawing... They'd start to wear out really really fast. And even a little visible wear on the display would be a show-stopper annoying for anybody doing serious graphics stuff... Not to mention all the fingerprints etc.

      Now if anybody here does serious visual work on a touch-sensitive display and knows fingerprints and wear are not a problem, feel free to correct me...

    8. Re:Discrimination by Gr8Apes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree - why is there a trackpad? Surely that's redundant given the wacom tablet? But that's the least of this beasts problems.

      It weighs in at a minimum 8.3 pounds. Battery life is not stated, but, given the alienware "desktop replacement laptop" I'd bet a 2 hour battery life will cause this to weigh in at over 10#s easy.

      So, for comparison, a MBP 17" with same screen resolution and a 7200 rpm drive starts at about 2900. And you get 2-5 hours battery life (depending on what you're doing) at 1.5#s less weight.

      The only thing we'll be waiting on is a quad core CPU. Then again, 4 cores won't do you any good if you'll only be able to run it for 30m on battery...

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    9. Re:Discrimination by icegreentea · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No. Cintiqs are used for serious drawing. The thing about Cintiqs is that they aren't touch screens. They're tablets with a LCD screen built you. You have to use a Wacom stylus. If they built the monitor like a Cintiq on a laptop, it would not be like a tablet PC at all. Stylus only. It would also make it a bitch to draw on. Screen would have to lock at angles, and you would have to counterweight the keyboard so when you press on the screen it doesnt flip over.

      In any case, serious artists use whatever tool they're comfortable with. Some swear by the Cintiq, others by Intuos.

    10. Re:Discrimination by mrchaotica · · Score: 2, Informative

      Obviously this is a figment of my imagination, then.

      But seriously, the answer is that it depends on the technology used. The pressure-sensitive screens (as on most PDAs) obviously wouldn't be all that durable, but some technologies (such as the Wacom one) allow the screen to be protected by a glass sheet. Scratching is not a problem because the tip of the stylus is made out of a softer material, so you replace the stylus tip when it wears out instead of replacing the screen.

      Incidentally, I own a Thinkpad X60 Tablet that's about a year and a half old now, and wear has not been a problem. And although it does get fingerprints, those aren't a problem either.

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    11. Re:Discrimination by Zebedeu · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm skeptical that turning this laptop by 180 degrees will turn it into a viola.

  4. Discrimination by Spad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a built in Wacom digitizer just to the right of the trackpad

    Ideal unless you're left handed and therefore cursed to spend all your time catching the trackpad while trying to write/draw anything.

  5. Slashdot would like to thank by Evildonald · · Score: 4, Funny

    Slashdot would like to thank our sponsors, Engadget.

  6. Laptop market trends by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    I predict that by the end of this year Thinkpads will be twice as powerful, 10,000 times larger, and so expensive that only the five richest kings of Europe will own them.

  7. Creatives Use Macs by curmudgeon99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Funniest part? It's creatives who use Macs, exclusively. Having worked for many media companies, they only consider Macs. This beast will maybe find some gamers who like it. The rest--nah...

    1. Re:Creatives Use Macs by smallcaps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      creatives use OSX... which does run on a number of thinkpads already: http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/HCL_10.5.2/Portables#IBM.2FLenovo

    2. Re:Creatives Use Macs by claymore1977 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Why. Most mac users I know love their Macs because they are Macs. Others love Macs because they aren't Windows machines. Personally, I see a time & Place for just about all OSes/hardware, but more often than not, there is just no talking to a die-hard Mac user....

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    3. Re:Creatives Use Macs by dyefade · · Score: 3, Informative

      *Looks around huge creative design agency office with around a 3:1 XP-PC:OSX-Mac split, all running CS3 collaboratively and scratches head.*

    4. Re:Creatives Use Macs by smallcaps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sketchup? meow? most architects are moving to parametric style architecture. it is much easier to work with then traditional CAD systems. with CAD, if one architect down the line has to change the window in a facade, say 1 cm, then the entire drawings from all perspectives would need to be changed individually. with parametric software (i believe Zaha Hadid's office uses rhino) these changes happen instantly. afaik, rhino runs in WinXP only. i have worked in several major architecture offices (OMA, Zaha Hadid architects, etc.) and NO ONE uses a mac, other then the IT department. all the architects in major architectural offices use winXP.

  8. My wife's reaction... by ghmh · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ... (she's a graphic designer):

    "Ooooooh!" (based on in-built Wacom thingie). - Interest level: High

    Seconds later, "But it's not a Mac!" - Interest level: None

    1. Re:My wife's reaction... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or just the typical reaction when learning it doesn't run your OS of choice and the applications you use daily?

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    2. Re:My wife's reaction... by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If she was rejecting any non-Mac product without having experience with Windows, possibly.

      But I doubt that any computer user in the world has too little experience with Windows. If you've used Windows and you still don't like it, that's a rational choice (obviously one you disagree with, but de gustibus non erat disputandum), not prejudice.

  9. In other news... by lbschenkel · · Score: 2, Funny

    In other news, TSA agents are salivating of anticipation.

  10. Re:No SLI!!! by clickclickdrone · · Score: 2, Informative

    What, apart from all those other laptops that have offered SLI for a year or more?

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  11. Re:Bundled extras? by RMH101 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It was, until someone sued them for back trauma after lifing one. It's now called a Non Tethered Personal Workstation

  12. The first laptop for left-handers! by argent · · Score: 3, Funny

    Left-handed users everywhere are cheering the W700, with its digitizer thoughtfully placed on the right so they won't inadvertently jog it when using the trackpad. "It might make more sense to turn the entire area in front of the keyboard into a trackpad/digitizer with software control," said Sandy Sinister of the Southpaw Liberation Army, "but instead they struck a blow for the cause! We're buying ten for our new HQ at Undisclosed Location."

  13. Re:build quality by Paolone · · Score: 3, Informative

    No AC, IBM laptops were built by Lenovo for years (after they moved Laptop manufacturing from Greenock, UK) before they sold the home computing division.

  14. Re:Very small niche - maybe? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The Lenovo monster is just barely transporable, but so is a desktop.

    It blows my mind how WHINEY techy people are today. Just barely transportable? what are you incredibly weak and cant carry that much weight?

    Cripes I carry around over 45 pounds in my backpack daily. on my back on the bike, in my hand up the stairs. and this laptop would make no difference in my day. Take out all my test gear that makes up the most of my weight problems. Plus the Toughbook I carry weighs twice what this could soaking wet.

    It's VERY transportable. If I can lift it and carry it without hurting my back or getting winded walking up 3 flights of stairs, it's incredibly transportable.

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  15. I don't see the point. by Bastard+of+Subhumani · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone interested in a digitiser probably already has one, and a separate one is more flexible and probably better than a fixed one.

    Analyzer schmanalyzer.

    Take those out and you have an OK power laptop.

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  16. Re:build quality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Bullshit. I have a T43 and a relatively new T61... The T61 easily matches the T43 in terms of build quality, and both of them are rock solid compared to my wife's MacBook.

  17. lefties by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It might be an urban legend, but I thought lefties were disproportionally represented in the heavily artistic fields. If that is true, it indicates they should offer left handed models if they are targeting that market niche.

    1. Re:lefties by alexandre_ganso · · Score: 2, Informative

      but I thought lefties were disproportionally represented in the heavily artistic fields.

      Not only in heavily artistic fields. Science as well. I certainly see use for a powerhouse like that in the HPC field. Quad superscalar cores and the hundreds of vector units of the nvidia right over my desk at home would do wonders to my research. Oh by the way about lefties, almost half my department is. I'm doing a phd in parallel computing.

  18. Color Calibration by mbaciarello · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I deal with pictures occasionally in my job, and I've had to manually/ocularly calibrate my monitors more than once. Big pain, especially when you don't have adequate lighting in the room.

    The automatic calibration video really struck me as innovative, though nowhere close to game-changing, at least for a portable monitor. However, I don't understand where the system gets color information from.

    The laptop has a camera on top of the LCD, so if there were, say, a tiny mirror near the trackpad it could see the monitor when the lid's down; but I see no reflective surface in the keyboard area--how does it see the monitor ouput?

    Anyone care to share their take (or knowledge) on this? Just curious...

  19. Re:[spot the pun] by urcreepyneighbor · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's nothing sinister.

    sinister

    Etymology : From Latin sinister ("left hand") via Old French Sinistra ("left"), Middle English Sinistre ("unlucky").

    As a Lefty, I'd like to say: get some new material. ;)

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  20. Re:build quality by Kamokazi · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you sure you aren't referring to Lenovo's non-Thinkpad lines (N series, etc)? Those are made of plastic and are not designed much like the Thinkpads at all. The Thinkpad series itself is still a very durable line...I'd put them at the top of the 'standard' laptop scale with regards to ruggedness, the best thing short of a Panasonic Toughbook.

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  21. This is just about worthless. by benjin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well I was mildly intrigued about this when I read the headline and assumed they had integrated a WACOM screen into the display but that would have been just another tablet laptop with a CINTIQUE built in! Instead they give you the crappiest of WACOM tablets hammered into the right of the trackpad. I don't know anyone that uses a WACOM for anything professional that can stand anything less than the 6x8 size. Having thrown together a 12" WACOM display from an old 14x9 USB Tablet and a 12" HD LCD Display I can say that the closer the size and ratio is to what you're drawing the better it is. For a laptop screen the 6x8 is about a 2:1 for distance which makes drawing a circle only mildly a pain in the ass. On the 4x3" it's #&@!%# impossible thus drawing most organic shapes becomes a lesson in interpretive art.

  22. Apple has to do this for your own good by commodoresloat · · Score: 5, Funny

    They are disabling your latte due to a bug in Java. Ewwwww

  23. Can you read? by RudeIota · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you not see that Lenovo has made IBM Thinkpads for years? And no, being (pretending to be?) a level 1 tech support monkey for IBM doesn't make you any more of an official resource.

    Now, as far as 'valid real world' experience goes, I have quite a bit. I work with all brands of laptops on a daily basis. I replace internal and external parts, rework them etc... I've worked on scores and scores of Thinkpads, including many T4Xs and T6Xs. In my opinion, they are well-built compared to *any* other major notebook brand (HP, Dell, Acer, Tosbhia etc..) and just as well built as the T2Xs and T3Xs. I even used to own a T21 AND T30, both of which I put together using parts and reassembled/disassembled numerous times.

    In short, when it comes to build quality, my opinion is better than yours. :P

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  24. Re:build quality by Bovarchist · · Score: 3, Funny

    Yeah, but can you bulls-eye womp rats in your T61?

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  25. "Chinese crap" by another name... by bXTr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Actually, most, if not all, of the notebooks and PCs in the world are manufactured in China and other countries of the Pacific Rim. Lenovo, in particular, has been making the IBM Thinkpads for years. It is only recently that they are being sold under the Lenovo brand rather than IBM. Odds are that your Manhattan publishing house friends are using "off market Chinese crap" with an IBM, Apple, HP/Compaq or some other name brand label on it. Oh, yeah, those Macs your developer friends are using were manufactured in the Pacific Rim as well.

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